MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: ReflexRob on September 13, 2015, 10:28:02 pm
Swapped out the original torn rev c dv with a rev g today. The Boost increase is better but not night and day.

Is there anything else I should check?

I've changed the pcv unit but not the rear metal pipe yet. Also my thermostat is sticking.
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: ReflexRob on September 14, 2015, 09:33:08 am
Ok, might have been a bit premature in my assessment. Not sure if it took more than 1 journey for the car to reset any errors it had but it seemed a fair bit quicker this morning. I know it was damp but I was spinning the wheels in THIRD! Made me chuckle....
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: AJP on September 14, 2015, 10:09:01 am
Ok, might have been a bit premature in my assessment. Not sure if it took more than 1 journey for the car to reset any errors it had but it seemed a fair bit quicker this morning. I know it was damp but I was spinning the wheels in THIRD! Made me chuckle....
3rd?! What tyres are you on? k03 or k04? Remapped?

Anyway, I had a new Rev G fitted a couple of months ago, and it did seem to 'adapt' after a few days of driving.

Fwiw.. mine is a k03, Stage 1 R-Tech, with Michelin Supersports, and it sometimes spins up in 2nd. That's in a straight line, on a good surface. I'm sure it'd spin up in 3rd if I gave it the beans round a bend, but I try not to

Sounds like you're getting healthy boost now.

Edit: Just saw you said DAMP. That explains it!
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: ReflexRob on September 14, 2015, 10:48:43 am
Yeah I'm not at all saying the car is any more powerful than standard, i'm just happy that it seems to pull harder now. Having only ever driven the 1 GTI and coming from a BMW 325 with identical 0-60 it felt relatively comparable although never that I had gone from an N/A to Turbo car.

Tyres are amazing - Kenda Kaiser!!! Sadly they are brand new put on before I bought it. I am trying to kill them asap although to be fair in the dry they are pretty grippy, they just make a hell of a noise and are a bit loose in the wet. Not the worst in the world but I want Eagle F1's again which I loved on the 325.

Turbo is a standard K03. Before I fitted the dv replacement I didn't used to get wheel spin, even in the damp.
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: Nickd57 on September 14, 2015, 11:27:03 am
Why do people not put the piston type dv in? I need to replace mine but not sure what to replace it with? I have a 2006(56) gti k03?
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: ReflexRob on September 14, 2015, 11:42:10 am
Because they don't often seal well. The D doesn't fail but you will lose boost which is as bad as failing. On the flip side the rev G might tear in the future, especially if mapped in which case a D is the better option.

There appears to be no solution that works with each setup.
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: Nickd57 on September 14, 2015, 11:49:18 am
Ok, so my car is mapped, my current dv has failed, how often does the rev d lose boost? So if i dont mind replacing it every 3-6months i should get rev g?
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: AJP on September 14, 2015, 12:10:00 pm
Loads of threads on this guys.

Consensus of respected tuners and forum members is Rev G, treated as a consumable, and replaced at service time or at least every couple of years.

It's not a big job or an expensive part.

You shouldn't really look at it as 'fit and forget', especially on a remapped car.
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: ReflexRob on September 14, 2015, 12:19:03 pm
That's as far as my knowledge goes. From what I've heard the rev D leaf is intermittent but the mappers all recommend it as the rev G can tear straight after a remap. You won't need to replace the rev D as it won't break.
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: AJP on September 14, 2015, 12:34:18 pm
Pretty sure the guys at R-Tech recommend the G. There's a big thread somewhere with quite a bit of input from tuners and the likes of Hurdy, and as much as it is a bit 'swings and roundabouts' between the rev G and the rev D, it seems the G was preferred overall.

At least if you've got a rev G it'll be obvious it's split. And you know you'll be getting full boost with a new one.

With a rev D, I'd personally always have that nagging doubt that I was losing a few PSI, as much as it was 'working'.
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: ReflexRob on September 14, 2015, 12:39:28 pm
Ah ok, must have just remembered someone saying the D was preferred for mapping. I agree that at least the G will let you know there are issues. I guess a boost gauge and a D would also work.

Seems nuts to me that people are accepting that a 12 month service should also include £35 of cam follower and £45 of dv every year?! That makes the Golf GTI hot hatch very expensive to maintain in my opinion considering it is only 200bhp and not an absolute premium brand....
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: AJP on September 14, 2015, 12:54:23 pm
Yeah, fair points.

Although I don't think the follower would need replacing that often. Maybe if you have an uprated pump.

Someone probably did say the D is preferred for mapping. And they're as right or wrong as someone saying the G is preferred!

I chose the G after reading up as much as I could and trying to make an informed decision, and so far in my case it's been fine.

I'm sure there are plenty running the rev D without issue too.

They're two different designs built to achieve the same function. So I guess opinion will always be somewhat split.
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: Nickd57 on September 14, 2015, 02:07:26 pm
Hmmmm, suppose the rev g would be the easiest option, as yous say, you know when its faulty and obvious when it is, where as the rev d could be 'intermittant' in its function am i correct? Sorry for all questions etc kinda new to the modifying vag scene.
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: GTIEagles on September 14, 2015, 02:08:12 pm
I have a D on mine and I have considered replacing it with a G due to hearing all these stories about loosing boost but mine is standard at the moment and I figured it's less likely to loose boost compared to when it's been mapped. So I will be staying put for the moment but when I do eventually get a map I will whip a G on it  :happy2:
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: MPS on September 20, 2015, 12:05:17 pm
Never understood why someone doesn't just sell the replacement diaphragm on its own as changing the solenoid is a massive waste, especially when there's nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: bingbunny on September 20, 2015, 07:51:02 pm
I recently changed from a blown rev c to a rev d and found it was terribly unreliable.

On Friday I changed to a rev g and my mechanic informed me that the rev d fell to bits when he was getting it off the car. It was only fitted a month ago (although I had done 5000 miles in that month). I have the rev g fitted and after 2 days its starting to pull a lot better. And a lot more consistently.

I am already quite accustomed to the power though. I have always thought that 200bhp in a 2ltr is the low end of enjoyable performance. I had a 1.8 170bhp TFSI audi A4 for a bit and I actually enjoyed the power delivery from that more than the golf. I feel like I have to work for the performance in the golf where as the audi everything just felt effortless. Holy crap I'm rambling again.

Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: Beej on September 20, 2015, 09:18:24 pm
I too am running a g even though the revo dealer I went to suggested the d. My brother is also running a g on 2.0tsi on a stage 2 tune and reckons after 3 months it's 'stretched' so has now bought a d to go in, I have told him about the d not holding boost as well but he can't be told as supposedly the tsi guys reckon it's the best option! I'm sticking with my g and I'm on a stage 2+ tune and I will replace yearly
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: ReflexRob on September 21, 2015, 10:09:44 am
Replacing a £40 component with every service is nuts in my opinion. Especially with the £35 cam follower that some people are also replacing at every service (also nuts).

I'm in the Jap scene as my weekend toy is a 275bhp MR2 Turbo. How come the likes of 1000bhp Supras running £150 an HKS SSQV 2 blow off valve don't have this level of issue. It's madness.

My second hand £60 SSQV2 must be a good 10 - 15 years old and holds boost perfectly.
Title: Re: Replaced torn dv with new and not blown away with performance increase
Post by: Scottymon on September 21, 2015, 10:43:24 am
Replacing a £40 component with every service is nuts in my opinion. Especially with the £35 cam follower that some people are also replacing at every service (also nuts).

I'm in the Jap scene as my weekend toy is a 275bhp MR2 Turbo. How come the likes of 1000bhp Supras running £150 an HKS SSQV 2 blow off valve don't have this level of issue. It's madness.

My second hand £60 SSQV2 must be a good 10 - 15 years old and holds boost perfectly.

It's generally a K03 GTI issue, as the DV is slapped right up against the turbo, especially noticeable on tuned K03 due to the increase in temps.... the diaphragm version DV's  split due to the heat, the K04 turbo'd GTI's have the DV relocated in the engine bay and don't suffer anywhere near as much.   

There is a relocation kit available for the K03.