Post by: bimbound on September 21, 2015, 08:59:39 am
I'm looking at getting the chain and tensioner replaced and see some people also have the adjuster replaced at the same time.
I know the part is pricey but don't want to omit it only to find 6 months down the road it needs doing, but equally could find a better use of the extra £350 or so if it doesn't need doing!
Is there an inspection that can made of the adjuster to determine if it's bad?
Thanks
Post by: ReflexRob on September 21, 2015, 01:06:53 pm
I think I'm going to risk it......
Post by: GTi-Andy on September 21, 2015, 02:01:16 pm
But I bit the bullet and did it anyway - I really don't think there is a way of checking it
Peace of mind and all that!
Post by: bimbound on September 23, 2015, 06:46:44 pm
Post by: GTi-Andy on September 23, 2015, 08:09:05 pm
Post by: bimbound on September 24, 2015, 07:26:53 pm
You'd only have to take it all apart again if it was still making the diesel noiseBeing far from handy with a spanner I will be relying on a garage to complete the work. I'm assuming taking it all apart again is going to cost half in labour what it would to just replace the adjuster first time around?!
Post by: GTi-Andy on September 24, 2015, 07:29:35 pm
You'd only have to take it all apart again if it was still making the diesel noiseBeing far from handy with a spanner I will be relying on a garage to complete the work. I'm assuming taking it all apart again is going to cost half in labour what it would to just replace the adjuster first time around?!
Hmmm that would be a question for your garage to answer.
However from experience the majority of the time in labour is stripping everything down to get to the tensioner etc
Post by: dazza on September 24, 2015, 07:54:00 pm
Post by: JamieBiz on September 25, 2015, 01:34:47 pm
Post by: CarlW on September 25, 2015, 01:49:26 pm
Post by: JamieBiz on September 25, 2015, 01:53:23 pm
i've just had the same done on mine as mine was really noisey and the chain was loose too.. had all new put on without changing the adjuster and made a massive difference on my 05 AXX engine but like people have said.. its more of a piece of mind question rather than if it actually needs changing
It made a massive difference in sound? a couple people have asked if i'm driving a diesel Gti replica the last few weeks! wanted to punch them both!! i think is worth doing now, how much did it come to without the adjuster being done mate?
Post by: CarlW on September 25, 2015, 02:09:19 pm
Post by: JamieBiz on September 25, 2015, 02:56:08 pm
Thanks Mate
Post by: dazza on September 25, 2015, 04:04:57 pm
Post by: -AC- on October 06, 2015, 10:10:02 am
Did you replace the adjuster? In the same boat myself but could do without replacing the adjuster from a cost perspective.
@Peskyjones (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11854) did you get this done without the adjuster as well?
Post by: bimbound on October 06, 2015, 03:35:34 pm
@bimbound (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7025) did you end up getting this done?
Did you replace the adjuster? In the same boat myself but could do without replacing the adjuster from a cost perspective.
@Peskyjones (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11854) did you get this done without the adjuster as well?
I'm booked in to have it done next week.. Taking a punt on not having the adjustor done.. If when its all back together it hasn't solved the noise then they'll take it off again and replace the adjustor. Hopefully it doesn't need it, if it does then I lose out on the cost of some labour but hey that's what a gamble is all about
Post by: -AC- on October 08, 2015, 08:46:34 am
Post by: bimbound on October 13, 2015, 06:30:03 pm
Let me know how you get on @bimbound (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7025), I'm taking the chance of not replacing the adjuster myself at the weekend all being well.
Had the car in the garage today. Chain and tensioner replaced and the difference is night and day... Sounds like a different car from in the cabin and stood outside. Adjuster was not needed. Garage said the chain was very visibly stretched, so I'm glad I had it done.
Post by: Pesky jones on October 13, 2015, 10:42:41 pm
Let me know how you get on @bimbound (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7025), I'm taking the chance of not replacing the adjuster myself at the weekend all being well.
Had the car in the garage today. Chain and tensioner replaced and the difference is night and day... Sounds like a different car from in the cabin and stood outside. Adjuster was not needed. Garage said the chain was very visibly stretched, so I'm glad I had it done.
Did you go to an independent?
How much all in?
Post by: bimbound on October 14, 2015, 03:14:35 pm
Let me know how you get on @bimbound (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7025), I'm taking the chance of not replacing the adjuster myself at the weekend all being well.
Had the car in the garage today. Chain and tensioner replaced and the difference is night and day... Sounds like a different car from in the cabin and stood outside. Adjuster was not needed. Garage said the chain was very visibly stretched, so I'm glad I had it done.
Did you go to an independent?
How much all in?
Yea an independent specialist... Who is actually a specialist!!
The number of 'VW specialists' I called that informed me my car 'doesn't have a chain' is nothing short of unnerving!
£335 all in. Allow for a bit more as apparently there is a bolt that can be a nuisance to remove which will increase the labour. Mine it seems was ok to remove
I've found the garage I will be using from now on.
Post by: Pesky jones on October 14, 2015, 03:18:35 pm
Post by: bimbound on October 14, 2015, 03:58:51 pm
That seems like a really good price. Where is the garage you used?
In Exeter, it's about a 45 minute drive for me but worth it to go to somewhere that's know what they are doing..
Post by: -AC- on October 16, 2015, 01:28:44 pm
Still all going ok? Nice and quiet? :)
Post by: bimbound on October 16, 2015, 11:03:31 pm
Great news @bimbound (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7025) , I'm still waiting on the polydrive tool to arrive so I can get mine done. Like you, I'm not going to do the adjuster.
Still all going ok? Nice and quiet? :)
Let us know how you get on! All good now, literally like I'm in a different car when I stop at traffic lights etc.
Post by: graham-gti on October 18, 2015, 05:07:44 pm
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Post by: Pesky jones on October 18, 2015, 05:11:14 pm
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Post by: Pesky jones on October 18, 2015, 05:13:54 pm
You can physically see the cambelt on the left hand side of the engine, well part of it
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Post by: Pesky jones on October 18, 2015, 05:23:39 pm
If it's is a higher pitch tapping that you can hear from the front of the car and from the engine then it is probably the injectors which is normal
If you get in the car with the doors closed and the car is up to temp, and it is a deeper noise you can hear which is seperate from the injector noise then it is the chain etc.
Hope that makes sense. It may be wrong but that's what I've been led to believe
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Post by: JamieBiz on October 19, 2015, 08:27:20 am
Post by: -AC- on October 19, 2015, 01:51:46 pm
I know there are already guides on this but might fire one up as a go along.
Post by: Pesky jones on October 19, 2015, 02:27:14 pm
Just received the T40080 tool I was waiting on so will get cracking on with this on Friday.
I know there are already guides on this but might fire one up as a go along.
good luck and yeah the more guides the better
Post by: JamieBiz on October 19, 2015, 04:36:27 pm
Just received the T40080 tool I was waiting on so will get cracking on with this on Friday.
I know there are already guides on this but might fire one up as a go along.
Can you make it as idiot proof as possible please :notworthy:
I 'may' attempt this if its not too bad to do.
Post by: Paradox1 on October 19, 2015, 04:57:52 pm
surely it would make more sense to replace the chain, tensioner and adjust?
Its not just the noise that you want to get rid of but you'd want to increase the reliability?
Post by: pudding on October 19, 2015, 04:59:14 pm
I think the main reason for replacing the adjuster is when the bolt head rounds out, which can happen as it's feckin tight by all accounts.
Post by: doylebros on October 19, 2015, 05:59:23 pm
Just received the T40080 tool I was waiting on so will get cracking on with this on Friday.
I know there are already guides on this but might fire one up as a go along.
Can you make it as idiot proof as possible please :notworthy:
I 'may' attempt this if its not too bad to do.
Worth a read if your going to do it yourself - http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,97333.0.html
Post by: bimbound on October 20, 2015, 10:27:39 am
How much extra is the adjuster?
surely it would make more sense to replace the chain, tensioner and adjust?
Its not just the noise that you want to get rid of but you'd want to increase the reliability?
The adjustor is approx. £400 just for the part. Apparently there are fewer issues with this part than the chain/tensioner and the adjustor will 'normally' flag a code in VCDS if it is faulty. Its a sealed unit so cannot be inspected.
If it was a £30 part like the water pump is when replacing the cam belt i'd say sure replace it, but IMO increasing the bill from IRO £350 to IRO £800 is just not worth it for something that may never need replacing.
Post by: Pesky jones on October 20, 2015, 10:54:10 am
Post by: dazza on October 20, 2015, 11:02:42 am
The adjustor has holes where the bolt is these got full of shavings.
IMO if you manage to drill off bolt without damaging the adjustor replace it anyway. I took mine apart and it had metal shavings inside.
Just incase someone has to drill it off 13mm drill bit will do it.
Post by: Reflex on October 20, 2015, 08:55:45 pm
I have an 07 Mk5 GTI (BWA engine), it's going in for a major service and a cambelt change soon and I was wondering if I should get the chain and tensioner done at the same time?
It doesn't seem too bad from inside the car, certainly note diesel-like as other people have mentioned. However from the outside I think its quite easy to hear the difference in sound from start up and then at full operating temperature. Other opinions would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Post by: dom069 on October 21, 2015, 01:03:14 pm
Post by: -AC- on November 02, 2015, 09:34:37 am
That being said, it's now sorted and sounds fantastic when warmed up! Only noise now is the tick from the injectors.
If you are planning to do this yourself, buy a decent timing tool. I would reccomend the Laser set: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Engine-Timing-Tool-FITS-AUDI-A3-A4-A6-S3-TT-2-0-2003-2010-T10115-T10252-T20018-/181012915733?hash=item2a2535e615:m:mrCRB1yDqj-pZdNiQrqNHQA (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Engine-Timing-Tool-FITS-AUDI-A3-A4-A6-S3-TT-2-0-2003-2010-T10115-T10252-T20018-/181012915733?hash=item2a2535e615:m:mrCRB1yDqj-pZdNiQrqNHQA)
This is the T40080 polydrive you'll need too: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271959949245?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271959949245?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Top tip when removing the adjuster to avoid stripping the head, have a second pair of hands put pressure on the socket while pulling with a breaker bar. Also, give the breaker short heavy bursts of pressure to break the seal.
I didn't have time to take many photos to make a guide but found this one after replacing the chain!
Removal guide: http://workshop-manuals.com/volkswagen/golf-mk5/power_unit/4-cylinder_injection_engine_(2.0_l_engine_direct_injection)/engine_cylinder_head_valve_gear/valve_gear/removing_and_installing_camshaft_adjuster/removing_camshaft_adjuster/ (http://workshop-manuals.com/volkswagen/golf-mk5/power_unit/4-cylinder_injection_engine_(2.0_l_engine_direct_injection)/engine_cylinder_head_valve_gear/valve_gear/removing_and_installing_camshaft_adjuster/removing_camshaft_adjuster/)
Replacing guide: http://workshop-manuals.com/volkswagen/golf-mk5/power_unit/4-cylinder_injection_engine_(2.0_l_engine_direct_injection)/engine_cylinder_head_valve_gear/valve_gear/removing_and_installing_camshaft_adjuster/installing_camshaft_adjuster/ (http://workshop-manuals.com/volkswagen/golf-mk5/power_unit/4-cylinder_injection_engine_(2.0_l_engine_direct_injection)/engine_cylinder_head_valve_gear/valve_gear/removing_and_installing_camshaft_adjuster/installing_camshaft_adjuster/)
Providing you don't need to drill out the adjuster bolt (which you shouldn't as long as you're careful) then the chances of needing to replace your adjuster are VERY slim as it is not the cause of the noise and are unlikely to fail as long as the car has been maintained with quality oil in it's lifetime. If you do need to put a drill on it, do not chance re-using the adjuster, replace it.
Parts you will need to replace, part number and priced by TPS including VAT:
Cam chain - 06D109229B - £52.65
Cam chain tensioner -06F109217A - £75.85
Cam cover gasket -06D103121B - £4.77
Fuel Pump o-ring - 06E127248 - £7.20 (optional but recommended after having fuel pump out)
Valve cover gasket - 06F103483D - £19.89
Exhaust cam adjuster bolt -06D109281D £2.56
And if you REALLY want to replace the adjuster at the same time...
Cam chain adjuster - 06F109088J £321.72
Labour wise, you are talking 1-2 hours for removal and 1 hour to refit, it's not difficult.
@Peskyjones (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11854) @JamieBiz (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13855) @dom069 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9839) @Reflex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11717) ^^ Get it done, better safe than sorry. That is definitely cam chain rattle in your video.
Post by: JamieBiz on November 02, 2015, 03:24:28 pm
I say that... ill be wiring a new extractor fan in his bathroom while he sorts this out :happy2:
Ill let you know how is go's
Post by: -AC- on November 03, 2015, 09:21:53 am
A few other bits of advice, during the removal process, remove the spark plugs and rotate your engine 2 full turns on the crank before you remove the chain/put the cam locking tool in place to ensure you are at TDC and the timing is ok before you start. You'll need a 19mm 12 point socket to rotate the crank.
Also, when fitting the new chain, it can be a bit tight so you may need to rotate the intake cam slightly away from you (towards the windscreen) so that the adjuster aligns back into it's guide properly. When you release the pressure on the intake cam, it will move back with the chain slack. That is ok and nothing to worry about.
Once the new chain/tensioner is fitted and new adjuster bolt is in, remove the cam locking tool and again, rotate the crank 2 full turns then make sure the cam locking tool fits back in nicely. That way, you'll know your timing is dead on.
It would also be ideal if you have VCDS for when you turn the car back on for the first time. Go to engine measuring block 91 and look at the 'actual' intake cam position and the 'spec' cam position. They should be the same or half a degree out either way.
If you find that the actual position is 20 or 30 degrees out then your intake cam is off a tooth on the chain and you'll need to realign it. However providing you have rotated the crank and everything aligns ok, you should be spot on.
Post by: dom069 on November 10, 2015, 01:06:36 pm