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Title: Cam follower.
Post by: Gene Hunt on December 23, 2009, 12:45:25 pm: Been talked about a lot on here www.golfmk5.com .I'm a bit worried as mine is on 60000 & wonder if i should get it replaced. Any of you guys on here with high miles had your's replaced or looked at ?.Cheer's. :santa:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Blade on December 23, 2009, 12:48:13 pm: For the Â£20 it costs its a no brainer - just change it.
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: jonnyc on December 23, 2009, 12:57:21 pm: Quote from: Blade on December 23, 2009, 12:48:13 pm
For the Â£20 it costs its a no brainer - just change it.

Ditto :happy2:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Aparoon on December 23, 2009, 01:26:32 pm: Is this something you can do yourself or is it 'involved'? Cheers
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 23, 2009, 01:27:42 pm: easy job, as long as you make sure you releave the pressure on the fuel rails, and dont open your driver door with the fuel pump off.

there is a how to guide on briskoda, ill have a trawl around and see if i can find it
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 23, 2009, 01:29:36 pm: http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/142836-how-to-change-fuel-pump-cam-follower-on-2-0-tfsi/page__p__1790542__hl__cam%20follower__fromsearch__1&#entry1790542

here you go.
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: bacillus on December 23, 2009, 01:29:52 pm: Yes you can do it yourself and it's easier on your car as you don't have to deal with a banjp bplt...
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Aparoon on December 23, 2009, 01:34:17 pm: Quote from: vRSy on December 23, 2009, 01:29:36 pm
http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/142836-how-to-change-fuel-pump-cam-follower-on-2-0-tfsi/page__p__1790542__hl__cam%20follower__fromsearch__1&#entry1790542

here you go.

Thanks :happy2:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Aparoon on December 23, 2009, 01:35:08 pm: Quote from: bacillus on December 23, 2009, 01:29:52 pm
Yes you can do it yourself and it's easier on your car as you don't have to deal with a banjp bplt...

A what? :scared:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: SteveP on December 23, 2009, 01:36:16 pm: Quote from: Gene Hunt on December 23, 2009, 12:45:25 pm
Been talked about a lot on here www.golfmk5.com .I'm a bit worried as mine is on 60000 & wonder if i should get it replaced. Any of you guys on here with high miles had your's replaced or looked at ?.Cheer's. :santa:

I will be able to show you what a 60k mile one looks like in a few days, my replacement has arrived at the dealers today :smiley:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 23, 2009, 01:40:09 pm: Quote from: SteveP on December 23, 2009, 01:36:16 pm
Quote from: Gene Hunt on December 23, 2009, 12:45:25 pm
Been talked about a lot on here www.golfmk5.com .I'm a bit worried as mine is on 60000 & wonder if i should get it replaced. Any of you guys on here with high miles had your's replaced or looked at ?.Cheer's. :santa:

I will be able to show you what a 60k mile one looks like in a few days, my replacement has arrived at the dealers today :smiley:

how much of that is with an uprated fuel pump steve
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: SteveP on December 23, 2009, 01:41:07 pm: ^^^ 22k :driver:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: vRS Carl on December 23, 2009, 01:50:55 pm: This might be a better thread to follow as it's the tutorial i did and it's on this site

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8339.0

Carl :happy2:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: danishmkvgti on December 23, 2009, 01:56:41 pm: mine after 160.000 km on standard pump

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi715.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww160%2Fjakethemoss%2FIMG_4456.jpg&hash=e1ca0889dcf08731b574a109e8a7394e54fe7a0f)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi715.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww160%2Fjakethemoss%2FIMG_4454.jpg&hash=ceb9196733fdad0b0e94b86fb2b3c8281512db22)

New one with 10.00km on a APR pump

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi715.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww160%2Fjakethemoss%2FIMG_4839.jpg&hash=b8448c408ede6e990461c3a3eac6e4e937c8d6bf)
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: jonnyc on December 23, 2009, 02:01:46 pm: Quote from: danishmkvgti on December 23, 2009, 01:56:41 pm
mine after 160.000 km on standard pump

Did I read that right?!

Man, how many miles have you done on your car?
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Aparoon on December 23, 2009, 02:04:31 pm: It seems straight forward reading tthe how to... but, how do you set tdc on a dsg car? Also is this purely maintenance or is performance effected?
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: danishmkvgti on December 23, 2009, 02:06:42 pm: It was rebuilt with K04 at 160.000 and i have just booked time in Jan for 180.000km service. I get it looked over every 10.00km after the rebuild, oil, oilfilter and camfollower :happy2:
It's a car made to be used, what can i say :laugh:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: vRS Carl on December 23, 2009, 03:25:16 pm: Quote from: Aparoon on December 23, 2009, 02:04:31 pm
It seems straight forward reading the how to... but, how do you set tdc on a dsg car? Also is this purely maintenance or is performance effected?

I would imagine TDC is the same on a DSG as it's setting the Cylinders to No.1 Top Dead Centre and nothing to do with the Gearbox. But i have never worked on a DSG engine.

It's a case of stripping off the Cam/Timing belt cover and rocking the car forwards or backwards in gear until the arrow at the side of the Biggest Cog lines up with the Arrow on the Cylinder head.

This has the effect of reducing the Tension Pressure on the Pump Piston so that when you put it back on you don't have to force it closed and risk bending/damaging it.

As i havent ever worked on a DSG engine someone like Stu,Hedge or Jonnyc will probably be able to tell you more.

Carl :happy2:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Hedge on December 23, 2009, 07:05:08 pm: I think Stu is still cursing me after we fitted my pump. :ashamed:

The problem on a DSG car is that you aren't supposed to move the car without the engine running.
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: jonnyc on December 23, 2009, 07:08:35 pm: Quote from: danishmkvgti on December 23, 2009, 02:06:42 pm
It was rebuilt with K04 at 160.000 and i have just booked time in Jan for 180.000km service. I get it looked over every 10.00km after the rebuild, oil, oilfilter and camfollower :happy2:
It's a car made to be used, what can i say :laugh:

Love it! Awesome.. And just shows if you look after a motor well it will last and last!! Good work mate :happy2:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: SteveP on December 23, 2009, 07:11:29 pm: Quote from: Hedge on December 23, 2009, 07:05:08 pm
I think Stu is still cursing me after we fitted my pump. :ashamed:

The problem on a DSG car is that you aren't supposed to move the car without the engine running.

So any tips on how to get to TDC following your fun with Stu :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: jonnyc on December 23, 2009, 07:13:25 pm: Quote from: SteveP on December 23, 2009, 07:11:29 pm
Quote from: Hedge on December 23, 2009, 07:05:08 pm
I think Stu is still cursing me after we fitted my pump. :ashamed:

The problem on a DSG car is that you aren't supposed to move the car without the engine running.

So any tips on how to get to TDC following your fun with Stu :laugh: :laugh:

I have never bothered getting TDC before doing fuel pump / follower change.. All it means is that there is no preload on the fuel pump spring but so long as you remove the bolts evenly, and torque down carefully in diagonals then no problems..
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Hedge on December 23, 2009, 07:15:20 pm: Quote from: SteveP on December 23, 2009, 07:11:29 pm
Quote from: Hedge on December 23, 2009, 07:05:08 pm
I think Stu is still cursing me after we fitted my pump. :ashamed:

The problem on a DSG car is that you aren't supposed to move the car without the engine running.

So any tips on how to get to TDC following your fun with Stu :laugh: :laugh:

Remove plugs, timing cover and anything in the way.

Stick big spanner (not me) on end of camshaft and turn to align the marks on the pulley.

I asked Jim @ JKM what they did and the answer was nothing.
All they do is apply even pressure on the pump and hold it straight while inserting the bolts.

PS. As Jonny said. :happy2:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Top Cat on December 23, 2009, 09:43:25 pm: Did Mat not mention that the ED 30 cant get any lobe wear. I am sure he said they revised something for the Eddie. :driver:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 23, 2009, 09:54:14 pm: Quote from: Top Cat on December 23, 2009, 09:43:25 pm
Did Mat not mention that the ED 30 cant get any lobe wear. I am sure he said they revised something for the Eddie. :driver:

i was told its a not an ed30 problem due to the cams not being the same as the normal gti as the duration on the fuel pump is not long or something down those lines. This was vwr who told me this as they said they only see the wear on the stock gti and not on the ed30 as they noticed this when they did the red vwr car as the they changed the cams to the ed30 ones when they k04 the red car
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: cmdrfire on December 24, 2009, 10:58:49 pm: I've heard that 1) cam followers should be replaced with newer revisions and also 2) that AXX engines don't have this particular issue. Can anyone on this thread verify that for me?
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: bacillus on December 24, 2009, 11:43:23 pm: Quote from: cmdrfire on December 24, 2009, 10:58:49 pm
I've heard that 1) cam followers should be replaced with newer revisions and also 2) that AXX engines don't have this particular issue. Can anyone on this thread verify that for me?

Didn't some of the early GTis i.e. AXX come with an A revision softer lobed cam that was subsequently replaced by the more robust B cam together with an updated cam follower?
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Gene Hunt on December 25, 2009, 01:14:23 am: Quote from: cmdrfire on December 24, 2009, 10:58:49 pm
I've heard that 1) cam followers should be replaced with newer revisions and also 2) that AXX engines don't have this particular issue. Can anyone on this thread verify that for me?
.........mine is on an AXX code ?.
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: pitsirikas on January 23, 2010, 06:55:10 am: No more cam-follower replacements........?

http://www.h2sport.com/
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: danishmkvgti on January 23, 2010, 07:23:38 am: i bet you can buy multiple cam followers for one of those.
The TSI system applied to the TFSI though :wink:
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: Bogwoppit on January 23, 2010, 10:34:25 am: Quote from: pitsirikas on January 23, 2010, 06:55:10 am
No more cam-follower replacements........?

http://www.h2sport.com/

Shame that the cam has to be changed as well though.
Title: Re: Cam follower.
Post by: rubber toe on January 23, 2010, 10:55:01 am: i dont see a major problem with the design on the tfsi for the sake of a Â£20 part
altho it might be worth it if they could incorporate the design to turn the pump to a high pressure one like the tsi, need to see the price 1st too :scared