Post by: AJP on October 08, 2015, 10:45:13 pm
I know Gladen do a 3 way kit for the front with an 8" woofer, plug and play with the oem speaker loom etc, which sounds like a decent option, but what about the rear...? Is there even much benefit to upgrading them? (I know a lot of supposed audiophiles claim the soundstage shouldn't be behind you..)
Any pointers?
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Post by: AJP on October 09, 2015, 07:37:09 am
Gladen are amazing, it's up to you whether you use rear speakers, as long as it's all in phaseYeah I'm looking at maybe an active sub as an alternative.
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The plan was to go for an RCD510, but the more I read the more I hear about crap eq, bass roll-off at volume etc. As much as it'd look nice and oem I'm starting to think an aftermarket hu is what I need to do the speakers justice.
Post by: dazza on October 09, 2015, 08:33:34 am
Have a look at this http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/ipb/index.php/topic/374847-teamspb-mkv-r32-build-hr-ultra-lows-19s-sq-biased-install/?hl=%2Bgladen+%2Br32#entry4367406
I have upgraded the front speakers it sounds great with an RNS510 but my sub sounds off as its right in the back of the car. I will be adding just woofers to the rear when i get some cash.
If you are upgrading the front speakers you should deaden the doors.
Post by: AJP on October 09, 2015, 11:39:35 am
You could just put woofers in the rear.Cheers dazza. I'm actually looking at a Pioneer sub that fits under the passenger seat. It's the ts-wx110a I think. It's active, so quite convenient for a simple budget install.
Have a look at this http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/ipb/index.php/topic/374847-teamspb-mkv-r32-build-hr-ultra-lows-19s-sq-biased-install/?hl=%2Bgladen+%2Br32#entry4367406
I have upgraded the front speakers it sounds great with an RNS510 but my sub sounds off as its right in the back of the car. I will be adding just woofers to the rear when i get some cash.
If you are upgrading the front speakers you should deaden the doors.
I'm not arsed about amping up the speakers, but.. does the RCD510 have enough power to do a set of Gladens justice? Think the RCD510 is 4x20w?
Doesn't sound much.
I've had luck in the past powering 8" comps from an Alpine hu - but that was 4x50w.
Hmmm... I'm unsure about the hu. And I can't find an oem-looking aftermarket one for sensible money.
The RCD510 DAB can be had for less than £200.. but is it worth it..??
Post by: dazza on October 09, 2015, 12:02:37 pm
I have a side mount sub box. You can have it for £45 delivered if you want (i'm in Spain so wont make much after shipping) i paid £75 currently being sold on ebay for £59.99.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/mod_images/ex_116_800.jpg)
Post by: Pashka on October 09, 2015, 12:34:46 pm
Post by: dazza on October 09, 2015, 12:43:31 pm
it's for 8 or 10 sub?10"
Post by: xjay1337 on October 09, 2015, 03:19:58 pm
You don't really notice audio in the rear. For 2 weeks my rears weren't even working and truth be told I didn't notice it until I realised some amp cables weren't plugged in..oops.
So you'd want to buy a 3 way component set for the front (if you have 3 speakers in the front doors already) or otherwise just buy 2 normal component sets.
I have tweeter and 16.5inch front and back in the rocco and it sounds amazing.
in the golf i went from 3 per door front to 2 per door because the Hertz eskl163s didn't fit in the mid position. Audio still improved. Won't notice the mid loss.
In the GTI my mate made me up a tiny flush fit enclosure (because the ones that go into the boot space look w*nk imo) and a Rockford Fosgate shallow mount r2sd4 sub.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-frc3%2Ft31%2F1499405_265634866938520_654587931_o.jpg&hash=402fdcbfa721d7a193f17432ece4c6d3313dbfc2)
Could have done with more sub box space but it sounded pretty good and would still give lots of bass just didn't need it turned all the way up.
Rocco has a 12 inch Pheonix Audio shallow mount which punches pretty well and with the hertz audio all round sounds very good, everyone who gets in likes the audio
have a small problem with clipping at high volumes but the old-ish unknown 4ch hertz amp is probably to blame for that...
Post by: AJP on October 09, 2015, 04:23:31 pm
No point amping up a crap signal. If you want to get the best from your audio change the head unit to an aftermarket one. Plenty of good ones out there.Yeah I'm pretty much at the conclusion that an aftermarket hu is the way to go.
You don't really notice audio in the rear. For 2 weeks my rears weren't even working and truth be told I didn't notice it until I realised some amp cables weren't plugged in..oops.
So you'd want to buy a 3 way component set for the front (if you have 3 speakers in the front doors already) or otherwise just buy 2 normal component sets.
I have tweeter and 16.5inch front and back in the rocco and it sounds amazing.
in the golf i went from 3 per door front to 2 per door because the Hertz eskl163s didn't fit in the mid position. Audio still improved. Won't notice the mid loss.
In the GTI my mate made me up a tiny flush fit enclosure (because the ones that go into the boot space look w*nk imo) and a Rockford Fosgate shallow mount r2sd4 sub.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-frc3%2Ft31%2F1499405_265634866938520_654587931_o.jpg&hash=402fdcbfa721d7a193f17432ece4c6d3313dbfc2)
Could have done with more sub box space but it sounded pretty good and would still give lots of bass just didn't need it turned all the way up.
Rocco has a 12 inch Pheonix Audio shallow mount which punches pretty well and with the hertz audio all round sounds very good, everyone who gets in likes the audio
have a small problem with clipping at high volumes but the old-ish unknown 4ch hertz amp is probably to blame for that...
Had a single din alpine in my mk4 with 8" components in the front and I built an mdf shelf with some QB 6x9s (yes I know the old 6x9 parcel shelf thing is frowned upon these days), no amp, and it was a HUGE improvement over stock. I didn't want for much more actually.
The whole setup was quite cheap, and did what I wanted.
Maybe I need to decide a budget and go from there with the mk5.
As much as your setup looks good Jay, I get the feeling it'd be out of my budget, with the amp, false floor etc. I dunno, maybe not.
Could do with finding a good installer near me for a good chat. Anyone recommended around Notts/South Yorks?
Oh and Jay can you recommend any head units that are oem-looking, maybe dab, good sq? Not fussed about nav, bluetooth, phone etc. Something that works really well with a 4th gen ipod nano would be ideal!
Cheers
Post by: AJP on October 09, 2015, 04:25:38 pm
I think it would be rude not to amp up the Gladens.I'll bear that in mind mate, ta for the offer.
I have a side mount sub box. You can have it for £45 delivered if you want (i'm in Spain so wont make much after shipping) i paid £75 currently being sold on ebay for £59.99.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/mod_images/ex_116_800.jpg)
Still very much in the planning stage so if a boot sub comes into the equation I'll give you a shout.
Post by: xjay1337 on October 11, 2015, 11:48:03 am
Yeah I'm pretty much at the conclusion that an aftermarket hu is the way to go.
Had a single din alpine in my mk4 with 8" components in the front and I built an mdf shelf with some QB 6x9s (yes I know the old 6x9 parcel shelf thing is frowned upon these days), no amp, and it was a HUGE improvement over stock. I didn't want for much more actually.
The whole setup was quite cheap, and did what I wanted.
Maybe I need to decide a budget and go from there with the mk5.
As much as your setup looks good Jay, I get the feeling it'd be out of my budget, with the amp, false floor etc. I dunno, maybe not.
Could do with finding a good installer near me for a good chat. Anyone recommended around Notts/South Yorks?
Oh and Jay can you recommend any head units that are oem-looking, maybe dab, good sq? Not fussed about nav, bluetooth, phone etc. Something that works really well with a 4th gen ipod nano would be ideal!
Cheers
My setup was very cheap. My mate made the sub enclosure. Paid him £60. Sub itself was £85 or something. False floor was all for the air ride and stuff, you don't need something like that.
Amp was just a cheapy MTX Terminator, something like £100. You need an emp to run the sub anyway. A mono amp is very cheap.
If you want to get the most out of the aftermarket speakers then you should look at amping the door speakers as well. I paid £80 for a Hertz 4 ch used amp, not the best but it's OK.
If you do a lot of the work yourself then you'll save money. it's not hard to cut out a false floor really :)
No HU recommendations from me only like what I have used, I'd go for a Pioneer AVH unit, no DAB on that but you can get some higher models that have DAB I think.
The setup on my rocco was a bit more, i didn't pay for jairm to do my false floor as I gave him my evoms intake when I split my GTI (let's say I paid him £200 for arguments sake).
the 12 inch pheonix sub was free as swap for my Rockford Fosgate.
I paid for the wood and sh*te, so about £30 for the wood and materials.
Associated screws etc
2 way Hertz ESKL163 setup would be like £200
I have DSK163 in the back, which were a lot cheaper, around £80 , do want to put ESK in the back later tho.
The 4ch hertz amp was 80 quid as said before
the amp i moved over from the golf (£100)
my kenwood satnav headunit was £300
so that's about £1000 with new sat-nav garmin head unit, all new high end speakers and amps, not too bad!
Post by: AJP on October 11, 2015, 02:34:55 pm
Very comprehensive info there, much appreciated.
Yeah I'm pretty much at the conclusion that an aftermarket hu is the way to go.
Had a single din alpine in my mk4 with 8" components in the front and I built an mdf shelf with some QB 6x9s (yes I know the old 6x9 parcel shelf thing is frowned upon these days), no amp, and it was a HUGE improvement over stock. I didn't want for much more actually.
The whole setup was quite cheap, and did what I wanted.
Maybe I need to decide a budget and go from there with the mk5.
As much as your setup looks good Jay, I get the feeling it'd be out of my budget, with the amp, false floor etc. I dunno, maybe not.
Could do with finding a good installer near me for a good chat. Anyone recommended around Notts/South Yorks?
Oh and Jay can you recommend any head units that are oem-looking, maybe dab, good sq? Not fussed about nav, bluetooth, phone etc. Something that works really well with a 4th gen ipod nano would be ideal!
Cheers
My setup was very cheap. My mate made the sub enclosure. Paid him £60. Sub itself was £85 or something. False floor was all for the air ride and stuff, you don't need something like that.
Amp was just a cheapy MTX Terminator, something like £100. You need an emp to run the sub anyway. A mono amp is very cheap.
If you want to get the most out of the aftermarket speakers then you should look at amping the door speakers as well. I paid £80 for a Hertz 4 ch used amp, not the best but it's OK.
If you do a lot of the work yourself then you'll save money. it's not hard to cut out a false floor really :)
No HU recommendations from me only like what I have used, I'd go for a Pioneer AVH unit, no DAB on that but you can get some higher models that have DAB I think.
The setup on my rocco was a bit more, i didn't pay for jairm to do my false floor as I gave him my evoms intake when I split my GTI (let's say I paid him £200 for arguments sake).
the 12 inch pheonix sub was free as swap for my Rockford Fosgate.
I paid for the wood and sh*te, so about £30 for the wood and materials.
Associated screws etc
2 way Hertz ESKL163 setup would be like £200
I have DSK163 in the back, which were a lot cheaper, around £80 , do want to put ESK in the back later tho.
The 4ch hertz amp was 80 quid as said before
the amp i moved over from the golf (£100)
my kenwood satnav headunit was £300
so that's about £1000 with new sat-nav garmin head unit, all new high end speakers and amps, not too bad!
I'm not in a mega-rush to upgrade (may even just plug an ipod kit into the rcd300 to tide me over) so I'll do a good bit of research and then hopefully do the job properly.
That's a great starting point for me, thanks again
Post by: Deako on October 13, 2015, 01:08:59 am
I've orders the Gladen 3 way front speakers and may amp them up at some stage, as well as adding some uprated rear speakers.
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Post by: AJP on October 17, 2015, 09:14:45 am
The Golf Mk5 kit. Which is the One 200 3 way setup.Keep us updated with this mate, it'll be good research for me! It does sound like a quality set. Should have some nice depth with the 8".
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Post by: Deako on October 17, 2015, 12:46:57 pm
Post by: AJP on October 17, 2015, 02:59:12 pm
I've ordered mine from Germaniks. Cheapest online for the setup. I will self install the speakers and then may take it to TeamSPB for an amp setup at a later date.Can't find the 3 way set listed on that site - how much did you pay, if you don't mind me asking?
Post by: Deako on October 17, 2015, 07:57:47 pm
http://www.germaniks.com/speakers/gladen-one-line-200-golf-5-3-way-system/
Post by: AJP on October 17, 2015, 11:04:48 pm
Here it is!! :happy2:Cheers mate. I might just have to bite the bullet and get these ordered!
http://www.germaniks.com/speakers/gladen-one-line-200-golf-5-3-way-system/
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Post by: Deako on October 19, 2015, 02:40:26 pm
Post by: loop on October 20, 2015, 06:04:22 am
The Gladen setup is plug and play. If you go other aftermarket systems, you are going to have to cut and chop speaker wires.I have some Rainbows was going to try them without an amp to start with just in place of the VW speakers, but I think they need an amp after looking at the instructions!
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Post by: xjay1337 on October 20, 2015, 09:36:47 am
Post by: loop on October 21, 2015, 01:20:55 am
The decent speaker setups will need some cutting as the OEM wires will route to a crossover unit. From there you will need to wire from the outputs to the speaker.Very true, I have the added problem of having 2 crossovers per door, not sure if there is enough space inside the door card to fit!
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Post by: xjay1337 on October 21, 2015, 11:11:27 am
The Hertz ones are massive. You should be fine .
Post by: loop on October 21, 2015, 04:53:51 pm
I managed to fit my Hertz ESKL 163 crossovers behind the doorcard.Did you fit an amp as well? If so whereabouts - under the passenger seat?
The Hertz ones are massive. You should be fine .
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Post by: xjay1337 on October 21, 2015, 10:32:13 pm
Post by: loop on October 22, 2015, 08:05:10 pm
Amp goes in the boot :) but come up with any solution. As all depends on what amp youre using and how big it is etc. .Considering the DLS A7 but it's very big so yes would have to go in the boot!
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Post by: Deako on October 27, 2015, 07:31:10 pm
Post by: AJP on October 28, 2015, 04:03:51 am
Fitted my Gladen setup today. Lovely crisp sound.Remind me what you're running them off again, hu/amp?
How you finding the 8s? They should create a nice bit of mid-bass.
Post by: Deako on October 28, 2015, 04:14:22 pm
Post by: loop on October 28, 2015, 10:24:20 pm
Fitted my Gladen setup today. Lovely crisp sound.Are you not going to fit an amp?
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Post by: Rob. on October 30, 2015, 07:01:50 pm
I can't see the One Line 200 Extremes on the Germaniks site though.
Post by: loop on November 03, 2015, 05:57:57 pm
Fitted my Gladen setup today. Lovely crisp sound.Do they come with cross overs and did you have to change any of the VW speaker wiring?
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Post by: xjay1337 on November 03, 2015, 06:55:38 pm
Agree. But I want to keep my RNS and I'll possibly look at the Gladen quad lock amp kit and a Mosconi 2 channel at some point. :happy2:
Fair enough matey
Just accept you will get a huge jump in quality (even when amped) with a better head unit. :)
Post by: Deako on November 03, 2015, 08:10:44 pm
Fitted my Gladen setup today. Lovely crisp sound.Do they come with cross overs and did you have to change any of the VW speaker wiring?
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Yes. Came with crossovers. You just ignore everything that's currently there apart from the 3/4 pin connector by the existing woofer. And feed from that into the crossovers which provide to the woofer, mids and tweeters.
Post by: loop on November 03, 2015, 09:34:34 pm
Yes. Came with crossovers. You just ignore everything that's currently there apart from the 3/4 pin connector by the existing woofer. And feed from that into the crossovers which provide to the woofer, mids and tweeters.Fitted my Gladen setup today. Lovely crisp sound.Do they come with cross overs and did you have to change any of the VW speaker wiring?
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Ok cheers may order these myself as it sounds quite straightforward to install!
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Post by: DANBOY66 on November 04, 2015, 08:20:51 am
would be good to see if we can get a group buy going to save a few pennies
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Post by: Rob. on November 05, 2015, 06:14:42 am
You need the spacer. It's a much deeper woofer, would foul on the window regulator mech if not attached to spacer.
I understand, but is the plastic spacer fully bonded to the speaker basket? Or could you easily remove it and make something out of wood instead?
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Post by: AJP on November 05, 2015, 12:35:36 pm
have you seen the gladen one extreme kits for the mk5 golf exactly the same set up just even more power full :happy2:Just a different ohmage I think?
Post by: DANBOY66 on November 05, 2015, 02:10:53 pm
Plug & Play 3-way System for VW
25 mm silk dome tweeter
4” shallow midrange
8” shallow woofer
4 ohm impedance
Incl. adapter plates & cable harnesses
2x 170/120 Watt
For Golf 5
Paper cones
Neodymium motors
Custom fit baskets
Crossover with 3 possible tweeter level settings
ONE LINE 200, 3-way EXTREME
Plug & Play 3-way System for VW
25 mm silk dome tweeter
4” shallow midrange
8” shallow woofer
2 ohm impedance
More powerful
Similar basket 200 slim
Incl. adapter plates & cable harnesses
2x 225/150 Watt
For Golf 5
Paper cones
Neodymium motors
Custom fit baskets
Crossover with 3 possible tweeter level settings
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Post by: AJP on November 06, 2015, 04:32:13 pm
What I intend to do is change the fronts, keep the rears OEM, and add an amp, all connected to my RNS 510. I don't know if anyone can recommend an installer/company in the south east who can help me with this??Wasn't there a guy off mkivs that was pretty good, Imagewerx? Think he's dahn sahf anyway.
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Post by: AJP on November 06, 2015, 04:33:57 pm
Post by: loop on November 06, 2015, 09:31:46 pm
I used to follow his guides when I upgraded the stereo and speakers in my mk4 golf!What I intend to do is change the fronts, keep the rears OEM, and add an amp, all connected to my RNS 510. I don't know if anyone can recommend an installer/company in the south east who can help me with this??Wasn't there a guy off mkivs that was pretty good, Imagewerx? Think he's dahn sahf anyway.
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