MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Morgen on October 22, 2015, 07:49:05 pm
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Hiya
I've got a DSG Edition 30 and quite recently my boyfriend and his mate were talking about how to drive it... I know of people that will shift into neutral when at lights and I also know people that will sit with the car in D with their foot on the brake (I personally shift the car into neutral if I'm stopped more than a few seconds).. So aye, they were discussing what's worse for the box in terms of wear... Does anybody know the actual correct way to drive a DSG car? Is there a correct way? Is sitting with your foot on the brake while the car is in D and the clutch is engaged good for it?
I've heard differing opinions on this and I was just intrigued to see what you guys think and your logic behind it!
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Sitting with your foot on the brake disengages the clutch, I'm sure I read a vw article before which stated there was no need to shift into neutral to then shift back into D,S or M
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I pop it into neutral if I'm stopped for more than a few seconds, mainly because the car feels happier when I do that. If I leave it in d it almost feels like it's pulling at itself a little. Other autos I've been in, namely 08 and 09 BMW and Mercedes seem to be much happier in d at a standstill.
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I usually just leave mine in D with the brake on and feels fine. Have stuck it in N when stopped for a long time but not very often
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like above foot on the brake for a couple seconds and it should engage the clutch, hence how when your on the hill it does the same thing. Its designed so it won't kill the clutch's.
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Sometimes I leave it in D sometimes shift to N.... depends on how long i think ill be at a stop. I dont like keeping hot brakes clamped onto my discs if i can help it.
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i'll usually just use D unless i've been driving hard on the brakes. then i agree with the above id prefer to not help warp my discs
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I think do as you prefer, it's a human proof system apparently.
Just feel the box engage drive before you hoof it, after that :driver:
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I always drive mine in manual tiptronic with the ESP off and I manually shift. Not always shifting down, but always shifting up. Also, it releases the clutch when stopped to be ready for launches...I usually do a rev or two at stops.
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question for all of you DSG guys and Girls.
If im driving in for example D in 3 gear, Can i put it in sport while driving?
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Yes
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As above, you can shift from D to S or manual at any point really
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I pop it into neutral if I'm stopped for more than a few seconds, mainly because the car feels happier when I do that. If I leave it in d it almost feels like it's pulling at itself a little. Other autos I've been in, namely 08 and 09 BMW and Mercedes seem to be much happier in d at a standstill.
That's why I pop mines into neutral also.. That's also why I don't feel like the clutch disengages, makes me so uncomfortable haha!
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When driving in maniaul with paddles will it downshift etc itself when needs be? Will it stop in 1st when braking in manual say from 4th
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I drive using Manual mode for 95% of my driving. Always shift into neutral when stationary , and only use D when stuck in traffic.
Have done is for the past 7 years, and never had a Mechs issue to this day.. :innocent:
I've only driven for 3 months with a DSG but that's what I came up with too. I do use S mode when I want to push the engine. :evilgrin:
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To be honest, I never use S, as if I'm wanting to be giving it some, I'll be in manual mode
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Yeah same here.
I use s very occasionally but find it annoying when you've manually gone up to 6th and then it decides to go back to auto and thinks 'yeah, you want 3rd now'
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To be honest, I never use S, as if I'm wanting to be giving it some, I'll be in manual mode
In a very twisty road sometimes I find it easier to not have to paddle shift, just hold to the wheel and turn it whenever necessary. :driver:
I know I can use the gear knob but holding myself with both hands is easier. :signLOL:
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I drive mine in manual mostly - must sound weird to anyone with a proper manual car!
Reasons being - I prefer to use engine braking in slowing speed traffic than continually jabbing on the brakes (like most seem to!).
I also like selecting the change points going through the gears for myself - DSG is the best auto I've ever driven, but in auto is does try to get into the highest gear asap, which isn't always what I want. I appreciate the lightening quick changes at all times, but they are even better when I want them in manual mode!
Still, I usually nudge it back to auto in stop-start traffic, which is a real benefit of the gearbox. Takes a lot of leg stress out of the rush hour traffic...
Don't like sport mode, so Manual is best for me. I like to put it in 'N' if stopped for a little while, and the car idles a bit better in 'N', rather than in 'D' being held on the brakes.
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I don't use S mode very often unless I want to overtake quickly and am too lazy to put it in manual. However the question I have is I have an Ed30 with a map and when I put it in S mode the rev limiter goes crazy and the engine sounds like a beast trying to get free.
Now I have put this down to the fact when in D it will still be in a high gear when going very slow so when changing to S I presume it is the affect of knocking down the gears quickly or have I got the wrong end of the stick here and this is not normal?
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Possibly try fitting a torque arm insert bushing to see if that helps with the issue. I suspect that as it's changing down, the engine is more powerful than the DSG thinks so its causing the issues.
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I don't use S mode very often unless I want to overtake quickly and am too lazy to put it in manual. However the question I have is I have an Ed30 with a map and when I put it in S mode the rev limiter goes crazy and the engine sounds like a beast trying to get free.
Now I have put this down to the fact when in D it will still be in a high gear when going very slow so when changing to S I presume it is the affect of knocking down the gears quickly or have I got the wrong end of the stick here and this is not normal?
Have you gearbox mapped. It will be quite different and feel like it should have been when it left the factory.
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Sat and listened to my car today while in traffic.. Left it in D with my foot on the brake and if I ever so slightly lifted my foot (not completely off) it'd creak and want to move forward... That's what makes me think the clutch doesn't actually disengage and that's the reason I don't leave it in D :scared:
Re-iterated this to the boyfriend and he seems to agree with me, but his friend mentioned something about a torque converter. Oh I have no idea!
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Sat and listened to my car today while in traffic.. Left it in D with my foot on the brake and if I ever so slightly lifted my foot (not completely off) it'd creak and want to move forward... That's what makes me think the clutch doesn't actually disengage and that's the reason I don't leave it in D :scared:
Re-iterated this to the boyfriend and he seems to agree with me, but his friend mentioned something about a torque converter. Oh I have no idea!
It's a twin clutch gearbox (DSG = direct shift gearbox) and doesn't have a torque converter.
That feature you talk about is called 'creep'. It's normal and is how the box is designed to operate.
That creaking was probably your brake pads releasing.
I think you may be over thinking this :wink:
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I don't use S mode very often unless I want to overtake quickly and am too lazy to put it in manual. However the question I have is I have an Ed30 with a map and when I put it in S mode the rev limiter goes crazy and the engine sounds like a beast trying to get free.
Now I have put this down to the fact when in D it will still be in a high gear when going very slow so when changing to S I presume it is the affect of knocking down the gears quickly or have I got the wrong end of the stick here and this is not normal?
Have you gearbox mapped. It will be quite different and feel like it should have been when it left the factory.
Good idea. I only found out the car had been mapped by accident after I bought it so with the way it is acting it is probably unlikly the DSG has been mapped too
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My brother has just bought a touareg with dsg and when you come to a stop in D the car will automatically put the brake on(hill hold), allowing you to leave all the pedals. So I would think it's okay to leave it in D
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The dsg boxes in our cars don't have hill hold assist, as on a hill, the do roll back until the clutch catches
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Leave it in D :happy2:
Put it in S every now and again to put a wider smile on your face :evilgrin:
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I can't comment on what's best for the box but imagine this;
You've been giving the car some beans, be it spirited driving on the the road or on a trackday. You stop and sit in D (more to the point on the hot brakes) you risk leaving deposits on your rotors if you sit with hot brakes held on.
Deposits could cause annoying judder.
Just something else to think about
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I drive using Manual mode for 95% of my driving. Always shift into neutral when stationary , and only use D when stuck in traffic.
Have done is for the past 7 years, and never had a Mechs issue to this day.. :innocent:
Anyone have any evidence as to whether 'D' or manual is better for mech unit?
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Just a little warning for DSG drivers - Do Not let the gearbox "coast" in neutral. I.E. Do not roll down the road with the gearbox in Neutral. The gearbox can overheat if you do this. I'm sure everyone knows this but just thought It'd be worth a mention :happy2:
Definitely agree with not holding it on the brakes if you've been giving it beans and the brakes are hot.
I usually sit in D unless stationary for a long spell. The clutch pack is meant to disengage when you press the brake and re-engage when you let off the brake. The re-engagement is the creep you feel when you let off the brake.
The only thing that seems counterintuitive to the disengagement of the clutch pack when you're on the brakes is that the car certainly revs a little easier when stationary and in neutral. Can't quite figure out why if the clutch pack is disengaged? They're must still be some rotating assembly attached when the car is in neutral. Anyone know the answer to this??
Also, maybe you've noticed when trying to nip into a junction or similar, that if you jump straight from the brake pedal onto the accelerator the car can do nothing for a split second and then lurch or jump forward. This is a slightly annoying feature of DSG because of the clutch pack has to transition when you get off the brake.
Cheesy buy informative DSG video on YouTube if anyone is bothered.....
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The dsg boxes in our cars don't have hill hold assist, as on a hill, the do roll back until the clutch catches
Mine does, never rolls back and can hear and feel the pads come off the discs. It's a MY2009 if that makes any difference.
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The dsg boxes in our cars don't have hill hold assist, as on a hill, the do roll back until the clutch catches
Mine does, never rolls back and can hear and feel the pads come off the discs. It's a MY2009 if that makes any difference.
Yours should have received a newer ABS pump that is compatible with hill hold control. My MY2008 doesn't have it. I'll see if that can be activated with Vag-com. Probably my pump isn't compatible, though.
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I don't have hill-hold either! Car was registered March 08 but I'm not sure what build year it is
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I tend do knock mine into neutral if I'm stationary for a while. I often find sport and try and hold onto the revs for too long so prefer to use manual if I'm going for a spirited drive. As previously mentioned D seems to get to the highest gear possible as quick as possible so only good if you're going for a relaxed drive in my opinion
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Bought a DSG R32 powered Passat (a rare beast) I use manual mode most of the time & I have the HHC, this is used every day and allows you to come to a stop and just take your foot off the brake and it just holds you there until you put your foot on the accelerator.
S mode is a pain and D wants to drop gears far to easily. Think i need to do a DSG reset/recalibration and see how it works then! :)
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Bought a DSG R32 powered Passat (a rare beast) I use manual mode most of the time & I have the HHC, this is used every day and allows you to come to a stop and just take your foot off the brake and it just holds you there until you put your foot on the accelerator.
S mode is a pain and D wants to drop gears far to easily. Think i need to do a DSG reset/recalibration and see how it works then! :)
Nice buy. :smiley:
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As most of my trips are not on "fun" roads the D option makes most sense, then switch to manual when I need proper control and don't want unwanted shifting of either D or S, such as overtakes or cornering. S (for me) drops gear when I don't want it to, usually when not accelerating like I'm racing away from a tidal wave, manual makes sense and it will drop gears if the revs are too low for the current gear when slowing down. As the DSG was mapped along with the engine the D mode is pretty nice for most driving and although it will change up early there is more power to cope with the higher gear, kick-down is also very good if you need a sudden stab of acceleration.
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Hello Chaps/ Chapesses,
I've not had my car (2006 DSG) more than a few weeks but in manual mode, when do you guys tend to shift up? In my mind my engine sounds a bit course at high revs so I tend to shift about 5k which then still gives some good 'shove' in the next gear with the torque that's available low down on these things.
Is that anyone else's experience?
Cheers
Dru
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Depends... when on full chat I change at ~7000RPM, maybe just a bit over. If just pootling around then between 3000-4000
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Depends... when on full chat I change at ~7000RPM, maybe just a bit over. If just pootling around then between 3000-4000
Yeah, that's what sounds and feels the best to do. :smiley:
Maybe there's a difference between K03 and K04 cars... :confused:
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Well the K04 will pull harder higher up the RPM range, the K03 runs of of puff.... oo errr! :pomppomp:
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My gut feeling/ar$e dyno tells me that DSG's do not automatically disengage the clutches when you hold on the brake in D, otherwise you'd feel a judder as you released the brake as it re-engages.
In my friends 2014 A3, you can feel the engine labouring a little while sitting stationary in D, which would suggest the same..
Stick it in N if you're mechanically sympathetic like me :P
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My gut feeling/ar$e dyno tells me that DSG's do not automatically disengage the clutches when you hold on the brake in D, otherwise you'd feel a judder as you released the brake as it re-engages.
In my friends 2014 A3, you can feel the engine labouring a little while sitting stationary in D, which would suggest the same..
Stick it in N if you're mechanically sympathetic like me :P
I'm just glad you have the exact same view on it as I do :notworthy:
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I know this is a silly question but is there a good/better way to drive is stop start traffic up a hill? I was in this situation yesterday (I'm not used to DSGs or automatics) and it felt wrong letting it pull up the hill from a stand still at almost idle revs! It's also then quite hard to pull away smoothly... Anyone?! Haha
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I leave it in N whenever i can. The engine definitely changes when shifting from D to N at lights with the brakes on. But i kinda worry about this constant changing n what its doing to the car.
This is my first auto and 6speed! I can never work out what gear i should be in for the speed im doing so leave it in D :( this is only my forth week afterall.
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I just leave it drive. You can feel the clutch engage.
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Posted this before, but it's well worth a read:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5989734-How-to-Play-The-DSG-Game-and-Win-DSG-Driving-Tips-and-Tricks
The most pertinent point I picked up was pressing the accelerator when requesting a downshift. This makes it fast and smooth, because the car knows you now want a lower gear. I used to do keep my foot off the accelerator and it would clunk in a downshift very slowly.
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I've started doing the acceleration thing whist shifting gears and it bloody well helps :happy2:
Now about neutral when sitting at the lights! I feel it's better for the car to relax in neutral too for the engine to feel at ease although sometimes it's in D.
Another thing I've noticed is when I drive it in sport mode, the car feels less juicy and fuel economy looks better than in D all the time.
Recently fitted CC with the help of a few mk5 members over messages and I hate when it revs up over an incline hill like it's pulling quicker and too close to other vehicles lol scared me this afternoon as I'm new to CC but always wanted it for long journeys. fuel consumption is a little worse off too but we can't have everything :signLOL:
Thanks
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I don't think D really helps a lot with fuel consumption. It puts too high gears too soon. I drive it like a Manual most of the times. And either use the paddles or the gear lever.
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I don't think D really helps a lot with fuel consumption. It puts too high gears too soon. I drive it like a Manual most of the times. And either use the paddles or the gear lever.
I use D most of the time. I find going to manual mode too much effort for a daily commute. It's different to a manual, in that it's second nature to change the gear, whereas it's not the same for the DSG. You have to actively think about hitting the paddle. Hard to explain.
Plus, when coming to a stop in D, the downshifts are much smoother. In manual mode they can be a little intrusive. Probably because the car is waiting for you to do it, and leaves it to the last minute to intervene.
Full manual when I'm going for it though. Sport mode is pointless for me.
As an aside, have you guys used launch control? Thought about it, but I can't see it being too kind on the longevity of the box.
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I don't think D really helps a lot with fuel consumption. It puts too high gears too soon. I drive it like a Manual most of the times. And either use the paddles or the gear lever.
I use D most of the time. I find going to manual mode too much effort for a daily commute. It's different to a manual, in that it's second nature to change the gear, whereas it's not the same for the DSG. You have to actively think about hitting the paddle. Hard to explain.
Plus, when coming to a stop in D, the downshifts are much smoother. In manual mode they can be a little intrusive. Probably because the car is waiting for you to do it, and leaves it to the last minute to intervene.
Full manual when I'm going for it though. Sport mode is pointless for me.
As an aside, have you guys used launch control? Thought about it, but I can't see it being too kind on the longevity of the box.
In D the downshifts are smoother if not done properly in Manual mode, yes. I still prefer the effort of using the paddles but in all truth, I still don't need to use the car as a daily driver, so most of the times I just use it for fun. :smiley:
I never used Launch Mode and I don't even know if it's activated because I know it will reduce the longevity of the clutch packs.
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I don't think D really helps a lot with fuel consumption. It puts too high gears too soon. I drive it like a Manual most of the times. And either use the paddles or the gear lever.
I use D most of the time. I find going to manual mode too much effort for a daily commute. It's different to a manual, in that it's second nature to change the gear, whereas it's not the same for the DSG. You have to actively think about hitting the paddle. Hard to explain.
Plus, when coming to a stop in D, the downshifts are much smoother. In manual mode they can be a little intrusive. Probably because the car is waiting for you to do it, and leaves it to the last minute to intervene.
Full manual when I'm going for it though. Sport mode is pointless for me.
As an aside, have you guys used launch control? Thought about it, but I can't see it being too kind on the longevity of the box.
I tried launch control yesterday actually on my mapped ed30. Kind of pointless as there is so much wheel spin, was worse than just doing a fast pull away. They should have let you use launch control with the TC kept on. Was much better on my R32 as had 4wd.
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4wd is that one for launching all day long :jumping: that's the down side to the gti bloody wheel spins all over the place so I drive it like a Sunday car most of the time. A13 towards thurrock is a good test route for flooring the car I have to admit I've pushed it to the limits down that way :driver:
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Random question but...
Should you be able to hear the gearbox when going from neutral to drive, or drive to neutral? Like a subtle clunk noise if you have the window down in a quiet road. Mine does this.
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Random question but...
Should you be able to hear the gearbox when going from neutral to drive, or drive to neutral? Like a subtle clunk noise if you have the window down in a quiet road. Mine does this.
Yes, mine does this. More evident when it's cold.
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Random question but...
Should you be able to hear the gearbox when going from neutral to drive, or drive to neutral? Like a subtle clunk noise if you have the window down in a quiet road. Mine does this.
Yes, mine does this. More evident when it's cold.
It's a worrying noise lol but yeah more apparent when doing short journey but sometimes when up to temp too.
Thinking about getting one of those car warranties for a few hundred for piece of mind.
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Random question but...
Should you be able to hear the gearbox when going from neutral to drive, or drive to neutral? Like a subtle clunk noise if you have the window down in a quiet road. Mine does this.
Yes, mine does this. More evident when it's cold.
It's a worrying noise lol but yeah more apparent when doing short journey but sometimes when up to temp too.
Thinking about getting one of those car warranties for a few hundred for piece of mind.
Do you have an uprated lower mounting?.
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Random question but...
Should you be able to hear the gearbox when going from neutral to drive, or drive to neutral? Like a subtle clunk noise if you have the window down in a quiet road. Mine does this.
Yes, mine does this. More evident when it's cold.
It's a worrying noise lol but yeah more apparent when doing short journey but sometimes when up to temp too.
Thinking about getting one of those car warranties for a few hundred for piece of mind.
Do you have an uprated lower mounting?.
No just standard. Just always my main worry about any car with dsg is if or when it goes wrong it's ££££
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Mine clunks too, but it also jerks in 1st gear.. I just put it to the back of my mind and forget about it though :ashamed: It's been fine since August 2014 so it's all gravy
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Wonder what a new owner test driving ours car would think about this stupid design :signLOL: oh your car's feckered mate or nah not interested a day or two later :stupid: