MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: GTIEagles on October 26, 2015, 07:37:36 pm
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Fix one problem and something else seems to come up, my patience is beginning to wear thin with this car...
I was driving back from work today and I noticed the steering wheel light had lit up yellow. When I got home I switched the car off and on again, still the same I then left it a bit longer and tried again and the light went out, took it for a quick drive and it remained unlit.
I then hooked up VCDS and this is the fault:
1 Fault Found:
00573 - Steering Torque Sensor (G269)
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
I then followed the procedure to test the torque sensor and the values changed as expected which according to VCDS means 'If the Torque Values do change, it's most likely an intermittent Fault in the Wiring/Connectors.'
I took it out for another drive earlier and it's fine so far.
Is this likely to be the steering rack on its way out or a weird electrical glitch?
There are no nasty noises from the steering or suspension.
Any suggestions?
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If the torque sensor is part of the rack (and I suspect it is) then yep, it's looking likely the rack is potentially on it's way out.
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I suspected that, however driven it round today and nothing so far. Plus point there is a company on eBay that sells reconditioned racks for £350 which is slightly cheaper than the £1200+ VW quote for a new one!
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£1200 is bonkers! Then again, every major part seems to be a grand on German cars doesn't it! I hope the £350 option doesn't prove to be a false economy! Keep us posted.
If the torque sensor is some kind of carbon track affair (like a throttle pot), it might have a couple of dead spots on it, hence the intermittent nature of the issue.
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When i used to work for British Gas I had a caddy van, this used to show the yellow steering wheel light from time to time. All we did was turn the wheel full lock one way then full lock the other and it would go back out. Something to do with the sensor not knowing what position the wheel was in and this procedure would recalibrate it somehow. I wouldn't be worried unless it throws it up and does not disappear so easily to be honest...
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If the steering is not heavy and the fault is clearing automatically I wouldn't rule this area out
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oPPK3ylztcs
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£1200 is bonkers! Then again, every major part seems to be a grand on German cars doesn't it! I hope the £350 option doesn't prove to be a false economy! Keep us posted.
If the torque sensor is some kind of carbon track affair (like a throttle pot), it might have a couple of dead spots on it, hence the intermittent nature of the issue.
I know, I nearly hit the floor when I found out! It's got a lifetime warrantee so even if it does go wrong, you'll get another :smiley: http://www.bba-reman.com/uk/index.aspx
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When i used to work for British Gas I had a caddy van, this used to show the yellow steering wheel light from time to time. All we did was turn the wheel full lock one way then full lock the other and it would go back out. Something to do with the sensor not knowing what position the wheel was in and this procedure would recalibrate it somehow. I wouldn't be worried unless it throws it up and does not disappear so easily to be honest...
That's interesting, that's going to be my approach on it too. So far since Monday it's been behaving itself...
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If the steering is not heavy and the fault is clearing automatically I wouldn't rule this area out
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oPPK3ylztcs
Isn't that more related to a fault with the steering angle sensor?
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£1200 is bonkers! Then again, every major part seems to be a grand on German cars doesn't it! I hope the £350 option doesn't prove to be a false economy! Keep us posted.
If the torque sensor is some kind of carbon track affair (like a throttle pot), it might have a couple of dead spots on it, hence the intermittent nature of the issue.
I know, I nearly hit the floor when I found out! It's got a lifetime warrantee so even if it does go wrong, you'll get another :smiley: http://www.bba-reman.com/uk/index.aspx
Ah yeah, they're good! Used to do a good job of MFA repairs on MK2 GTI dashes back in the day. They were also on Wheeler Dealers when they needed the Corrado VR6's ABS pump reconditioning. Seem like a proper outfit :happy2:
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£1200 is bonkers! Then again, every major part seems to be a grand on German cars doesn't it! I hope the £350 option doesn't prove to be a false economy! Keep us posted.
If the torque sensor is some kind of carbon track affair (like a throttle pot), it might have a couple of dead spots on it, hence the intermittent nature of the issue.
I know, I nearly hit the floor when I found out! It's got a lifetime warrantee so even if it does go wrong, you'll get another :smiley: http://www.bba-reman.com/uk/index.aspx
Ah yeah, they're good! Used to do a good job of MFA repairs on MK2 GTI dashes back in the day. They were also on Wheeler Dealers when they needed the Corrado VR6's ABS pump reconditioning. Seem like a proper outfit :happy2:
That's good to know :happy2:
I didn't know there was a Corrado on Wheeler Dealers? I use to have a Storm a few years ago back when I was an absolute Corrado fanatic!
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Yeah it's on YouTube! Yeah I had a Corrado for 9 years, we may have even crossed paths on the Corrado forum at some point!
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We probably have! My username was Cnut, it use to be the same here until I got told to change it due to offending members :signLOL:
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Yeah I remember your username :grin: I was one of the mods, well, still am. Currently under the username of Kevin Bacon lol! I had the Ice Grey VR6 Turbo :smiley: God I miss the grunt of that thing! My ED30 doesn't even come close, despite being mapped!
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Was your original username Kevhaywire by any chance? I'm pretty sure I remember reading the ridiculously long thread about your car and completely being in owe of how much time and effort you put into it! I can't believe you got rid of it, how much power was she running in the end? I'm guessing well over 300 if your mapped ED30 doesn't come close?!
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Yeah that's me! 400hp & 350lbft in the end, and it's 100kg lighter than the ED30! I did run it at 500ish hp for a while but it was just ridiculous, even with a diff, so I wound it back down again. ED30s can make similar numbers but it's just the way a 6 pot engine with a big turbo can haul arse. Waaay quicker at the top end than a tuned ED30!
I do like the Eddy though. The sunroof works for starters :grin:
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And there's no automatic rear spoiler to break, no bowden cables to snap on the heater, the headlights and the wipers work as they should as well, but..... a Corrado's a Corrado. Got so much more soul than my Golf. Considering dipping my toe back in and picking one up as a weekend car, it's only been a year but god I miss my C!!!
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Yeah that's me! 400hp & 350lbft in the end, and it's 100kg lighter than the ED30! I did run it at 500ish hp for a while but it was just ridiculous, even with a diff, so I wound it back down again. ED30s can make similar numbers but it's just the way a 6 pot engine with a big turbo can haul arse. Waaay quicker at the top end than a tuned ED30!
I do like the Eddy though. The sunroof works for starters :grin:
Flipping hell, that must have accelerated like a Lamborghini! I think I would have lost my license driving that! Yeah that VR6 engine was special, it's the noise I miss the most and the ability to rev it up to 7k with it still pulling hard whilst the GTI feels breathless past 6k :sad1: The feedback from the steering was way better than the GTI too giving you the sensation of being at one with the car. The GTI is no doubt a better and faster all round car but the Corrado was dripping in soul in comparsion.
I'm talking myself into wanting one again!
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And there's no automatic rear spoiler to break, no bowden cables to snap on the heater, the headlights and the wipers work as they should as well, but..... a Corrado's a Corrado. Got so much more soul than my Golf. Considering dipping my toe back in and picking one up as a weekend car, it's only been a year but god I miss my C!!!
Despite their quirks and faults they really do get under your skin. You should definately do it.
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ED30s are much better past 6K because of the bigger turbo obviously, but I know what you mean. I remember my first drive of a GTI when they were launched and thinking "Is that it?" when I hit 5500rpm ish. It felt a bit like the handbrake was pulled up! The GTI is better at the bottom end than an Eddy though, loads punchier.
Lol funny you should say that about a Lamboghini. I did once get into a little 50 - 100 midrange pull with a Gallardo and there wasn't a lot in it :grin:
I'm past Corradoism now though. Being an old crust, I like ride quality and creature comforts now and MK5s are way more refined than Corrados!
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This problem has reoccured twice since the first time. Both times I was able to switch the car off and then on and the light would disappear. Again no heavy steering or any other symptoms.
I have been reading up on a few American forums and a few people have mentioned the ground/earth points can work loose or corrode causing the light to come on, cleaning them up and reattaching seems to fix them. It might explain the intermittent nature of the fault.
Does anyone know where the earth point for the steering rack is? It's worth a try I guess.
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I have found this excellent self study document on the MK5 Golf steering system if anyone is interested: http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_317.pdf
This particular statement is interesting 'In the case of brief voltage drops below
9 volts, the warning lamp will light up yellow'
So the case of a dodgy battery or earth point throwing up the fault could be more feasible than expected.
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I know this thread is about issues with a steering light (apologies for the hijack), but reading your guys' comments on the Corrado has made me reminisce about mine.
I had a nugget yellow G60 for 8 long years and loved it to bits, and it's been 8 years now since I sold it - where does the time go? Although it was brilliant then, I couldn't go back to it now. Love the creature comforts too much of modern cars.
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I know this thread is about issues with a steering light (apologies for the hijack), but reading your guys' comments on the Corrado has made me reminisce about mine.
I had a nugget yellow G60 for 8 long years and loved it to bits, and it's been 8 years now since I sold it - where does the time go? Although it was brilliant then, I couldn't go back to it now. Love the creature comforts too much of modern cars.
Nice, I can't remember the last time I saw a yellow Corrado :happy2: I got rid of mine 5 years ago and I still find myself missing it from time to time. To be honest the creature comforts of modern cars don't really bother me as long as the car has power steering, central locking, electric windows and a heater I'm happy, give me a car that drives well and communicates with the driver any day of the week!
I think the Corrado started to look really dated over the last few years but not in a good way which is one of the reasons I got rid along with having my first born my needs shifted towards a safer, more modern car which is where the MK5 GTI excels. I will no doubt have another sometime in the future.
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I do miss the purr of the supercharger!
From time to time I go onto eBay/Pistonheads and see what is out there - not many original examples left. I see what you mean about it looking dated. At the time of my ownership, I thought this is one car that would never age - it would always look good and a true future classic. I'm unsure now about the looks.
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I'm happy to say that this problem has been solved and the culprit was a slowly dying car battery.
Towards the end of it's life the car would completely cut out whilst turning over, the clocks would reset and I would get all the warning lights on the dash appear. I took a standing reading at 11.4V so it was definitely time for a change.
I managed to source a top of the range Varta Silver battery for it, put it in a couple of weeks ago and since then I have had no more yellow lights :happy2:
I'm guessing the electric steering on these cars draw a lot of current from the battery and if the battery is weak or dying it could cause strange fault codes to appear.
Morale of the story is check your car battery before forking out on an expensive steering rack replacment :driver: