MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Vwgtiking on November 21, 2015, 03:45:56 pm
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It's so blooming powerful I wheelspin all over the place even in 3rd, thus making the power irrelevant.
I have ecstas at min looking to replace fairly soon would the tyres be a starting point?
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Yep, tyres would be a good place to start. My wife has those tyres on her 1.6 Mazda 3. With the colder weather of late I notice a big difference to the grip of the tyres. Also the roads a a little bit damo all of the time this time of year, so no matter which tyre you have, you'll have less grip.
I have continental sport contact 5 on mine and can't fault them (no remap though). Someone at work has the Continental's on his 450hp A45 AMG and finds them good too (4wd though).
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I'm on Michelin Supersports, Stage 1, 242bhp/296lbft. Get a little bit of spin/hop in 2nd, but I'm sure it'd be worse if I was on the Ecstas I had before the map.
Hard for me to say specifically how much better the Michelins are as I got them just before I went Stage 1, but they're loads better in the bends and generally feel much stickier.
I'll be looking at an anti lift kit soon, which should help further.
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May get some uni royals
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Maybe a less aggressive/linear map or LSD
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LSD
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LSD on a stage 1?
Not many have done that. Id say decent tyres and maybe the walk kit will sort it.
Who mapped your car? if its spinning early in the revs then sound like a lot of low end torque?
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Haha, yeah a diff would be a waste.
Tyres tyres tyres.
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Where is the best place for tyres? I am all over the place in mine and that's as standard... sh*tty front tyres to get me through an MOT are to blame...
Need to get some new asap
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Where is the best place for tyres? I am all over the place in mine and that's as standard... sh*tty front tyres to get me through an MOT are to blame...
Need to get some new asap
Got mine from Oponeo. Never used them before but they were the cheapest at the time.
Camskill are good.
Get a set of Michelin Supersport. Job done.
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What's a "walk" kit?
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Whiteline anti lift kit.
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A SuperPro anti-lift kit has better reviews and it's what VW Racing chose to use. If budget is an issue then go for the Powerflex ALK. :wink:
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Michelin Pilot Sport 3's are better in the wet than supersports... Sounds like ecsta's really dont like the cold...
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LSD on a stage 1?
Not many have done that. Id say decent tyres and maybe the walk kit will sort it.
Who mapped your car? if its spinning early in the revs then sound like a lot of low end torque?
Not many have done it because it's expensive and they can't take it out to sell the car. Those that don't have one will tell you they're not necessary. Those that have them will tell you that they're worth every penny. And they are.
Anti-lift kits of one sort or another are very worthwhile. Engine mounts help but are not solely responsible. There is an awful lot of engine movement on these as standard as the whole car is set up to be very smooth and compliant. The engine behaves as a big pendulum and can assist in destabilizing the front end. No one thing can miraculously cure these issues but the sum of a number of changes can help a lot. It will always be a FWD and as such will need a degree of finesse in adverse conditions. Your goal is to stop geometry angles changing under differing loads and to 'button down' anything that has mass and can move around within it's mounts, such as the engine for example.
Imagine you're under hard acceleration and the engine is pushing back in it's mounts, you lose traction, the engine returns to a 'normal' position due to the load on the drive train reducing to nil suddenly, you regain traction, the engines pushes back in it's mounts and so it repeats.
Throttle control is improved massively with a good set of engine mounts. You can modulate the throttle properly instead of wasting some input in overcoming the cushioning effect of the OE mounts.
Reducing un-sprung weight can help. S3 calipers and discs for example are extremely heavy and all this weight is bouncing up and down on the end of a suspension leg.
Stickier tyres will also be a good thing to invest in. Michelin Pilot Super Sports are a good one to look at. They can manage track days as well if you ever needed to. I have them and have particularly enjoyed them in the wet. No issues at all.
You also need a degree of compliance in your suspension. Harder is not always best and can work against you. Some of the very best suspension set ups are far from the hardest.
No two people are bound to have the same opinion about the same parts since there are so many influences which can and will affect what you are trying to achieve. And then there's your budget.
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Michelin Pilot Sport 3's are better in the wet than supersports... Sounds like ecsta's really dont like the cold...
Are they?
I have PSS and have never for a moment thought I need a better tyre in the wet.
The silica in any tyre will harden as the weather cools. PSS function very well on the road under normal conditions, they also respond positively to track use where higher than normal heat levels will be present and more 'conventional' compounds can start to fail. Reasonably as well since they may never have been intended for that use.
I've not used PS3's so couldn't comment on those.
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My MPSS are proving tricky in the wet, but the fronts are on the wear markers so need replacing soon.
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My MPSS are proving tricky in the wet, but the fronts are on the wear markers so need replacing soon.
Rich i thought everyone said these are the the best you can get
but i guess great when on track or dry roads but not so good when wet
what your next tyre choice rich ?
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My MPSS are proving tricky in the wet, but the fronts are on the wear markers so need replacing soon.
Rich i thought everyone said these are the the best you can get
but i guess great when on track or dry roads but not so good when wet
what your next tyre choice rich ?
At the wear indicator no tyre will be any good in the wet. This is (or extremely close to) 1.6mm. Germany for example has 3mm, and with good reason. You simply cannot make an assessment on a tyre at this tread depth.
Arguably our laws here are out of date on this.
Google PSS wet weather reviews, you'll find out all you need to know. I've never had a tyre that will let you push so hard in the wet and when it does let go (eventually) it will do so progressively. I only established this on a track. To have done this on the road I would have deserved nicking.
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Apparently I am running 295ftlb.
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My MPSS are proving tricky in the wet, but the fronts are on the wear markers so need replacing soon.
Rich i thought everyone said these are the the best you can get
but i guess great when on track or dry roads but not so good when wet
what your next tyre choice rich ?
Supersports again without doubt.
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I don't think Supersports are 'the best you can get' but for road use and what they cost they're a damn good choice. You might have to spend an extra 100 quid a corner for an all round tyre that's head and shoulders 'better'.
I'm happy with mine.
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They are the best I've tried except yoko a048,but they are defo not suitable for winter conditions
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They are the best I've tried except yoko a048,but they are defo not suitable for winter conditions
Yeah they certainly lose grip once it gets down past 10 deg or so, dry or not.
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Sorry I wasn't clear. The yokos are not for winter. Supersports are ok. Just not brilliant.
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Ah I get you. But anyway, I do find the Supersports prefer a bit of heat. I didn't really buy them hoping they'd be brilliant in cold weather as I tend not to push things in cold weather anyway, through principle.
Found them really grippy over the summer though!