MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Track Day Technical => Topic started by: flashp on December 08, 2015, 06:28:00 pm
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I'm thinking of switching my current suspension (Bilstein B12 Pro kit) for these and I'm looking for an ideal supplier for this kit. Does anyone have any tips on where to buy?
Thanks.
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I wish I had the budget for ohlins. The are superb in @vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981) s Octavia.
@Bernhard30 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2604) has them too I believe.
I didn't ask Alex how much he charges for them as I know I dont have the budget for them at the min but he's pretty competitive! Worth giving him a ring at AKS Tuning!
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Im pretty sure they are about 2.5K... not to mention alex thought his ohlins springs were to soft, so factor in that cost as well.
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Yeah. Moved the stiffer pair to the other axle and ordered a higher poundage pair
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Hmmm, was hoping for less than £2.5k. Not as easy to find stockists of these parts as KW, for example.
I found company called Aurok who are apparently an Ohlins specialist, I'll start with them since they're only 20 miles away.
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Why not go PSS10? Proven to work and 1300 ish.
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Why not go PSS10? Proven to work and 1300 ish.
Based on what I've learnt so far the Ohlins seem to have a unique ride quality and I also like the fact one single adjuster makes them adjustable for either road or track and the DFV interests me. I used Koni FSD's on a Leon FR once which transformed the car and consequently this valving method interests me.
Although I'm by no means an expert on these and have no experience with them personally.
Found this site also: http://www.aktivperformanceparts.co.uk/golf-mk5-2004-2007/ohlins-vw-golf-gti-mk5-coilover-suspension-kit-2003-2008-2211229-381829-823418.php (http://www.aktivperformanceparts.co.uk/golf-mk5-2004-2007/ohlins-vw-golf-gti-mk5-coilover-suspension-kit-2003-2008-2211229-381829-823418.php) Update - 9/12/15: Just rang them and it went to a generic answerphone service, no business announcement or anything. Hardly encouraging.
Rich, I know nothing of PSS10 but I'll make it my business to get educated, thank you! :happy2:
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There's some here in the mods catalogue, these the ones your after?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?page=mods&mod=65 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?page=mods&mod=65)
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There's some here in the mods catalogue, these the ones your after?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?page=mods&mod=65 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?page=mods&mod=65)
That looks like them.
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OK, quick update...first price received...£2k thereabouts plus fitting/set up.
Are they the same parts fab5freddy indicated in the mods catalogue I wonder??
PSS10's at £700 less as rich83 mentioned are starting to look more appealing possibly.
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Colin Chapman: Perfect suspension is soft springs and stiff dampers.
A soft spring keeps the tyre in contact with the ground, perfect for your Great British b-road. Stiff springs are for Silverstone.
People seem to think roll is a bad thing, it isn't, it tells you what the car is doing.
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Colin Chapman: Perfect suspension is soft springs and stiff dampers.
A soft spring keeps the tyre in contact with the ground, perfect for your Great British b-road. Stiff springs are for Silverstone.
People seem to think roll is a bad thing, it isn't, it tells you what the car is doing.
I agree with this, see what the Ariel Nomad can do on track and then off road. Nearly as quick as an Atom on track and it has suspension travel. Granted it suspension system probably doesn't resemble ours but it proves it can still be done and essentially it weighs 670kg. So yes, in those immortal words 'simplify, then add lightness'.
I owned an S4 Elan for a while which was one of Chapmans finest, amazing little car.
The suspension didn't need to deal with the mass of today's cars mind you, the Elan's suspension components are tiny and featherweight compared to today's hardware as the car only weighed 688kg.
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Yes, even stripped, my old MK5 was a lard arse - but it was softly sprung & stiffly damped and would run rings around most stuff on track, particularly in the wet. It practically telegraphed its intentions too, lift-off oversteer was something you could use, rather than try and avoid. I hate snappy cars.
Ohlins aren't some fly-by-night outfit, I'd trust their judgement implicitly and set the car up around the kit to compliment it.
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What did you have on yours mike? I cant remember.
Got to say that I think the PSS10 are very good. They are quite hard compared to OEM, but not silly hard. They really come into there own when cornering at high speed, the car just feels so balanced and surefooted. Way way better than my previous H&R spring and OEM damper combo, which was (looking back at it) shocking ride quality, high speed cornering felt like it was rocking front to rear and felt so insecure, and ended up hating it.
Rich
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Eibach coilovers. Essentially a KW V1 damper with different springs.
I got them with the car, rather than choosing them, but was so impressed I kept them. Spending my own money, it'd be Bilstein or Ohlins, I'd prefer the latter, the damper technology on the Ohlins is just so clever.
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Well, I've narrowed it down to either PSS10's or KWv3.
Soon after Christmas I'll make a decision and get on with it.
Thanks all for your thoughts and input! :happy2:
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If it helps, I switched from KW V3 to PSS10...
I think a combination of; Me having less experience of other premium coilover kits, the roads where I lived at the time (Germany) being in much better condition and having never really had the chance/need to adjust the V3s, led me to think they were great.
I thought I was probably bonkers for shelling out to switch from one 'premium' coilover kit to another. But....
The PSS!) are far better than the V3s were!
It maybe an [edit] *isolated issue but the guy I sold the V3 to said they developed a knock or a squeak (can't remember) not long after fitting. They had been on my car previously, looked after and done around 35k from new.
It could probably happen on any car in the winter with road use but the adjuster ring did seize on the V3 while I owned them so I chopped it off & bought a new one;
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMaintenance_and_Technical%2F13518C6A-70D4-437A-92E6-56A98E001C35-8510-000003574F008C3B.jpg&hash=cbc3b99b5244e7af8f67638f68b84c5475fca3cf)
The Bilstein are much, much easier to adjust. Im not sure if KW have since revised the design.
Bilstein have a Uk base in Leicester, which I learnt recently and can be called up on for advice on settings and/or support.
My rear shocks. Im sure you know what they look like lol;
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2Fchange_b16_to_soft%2FB588223E-3768-4806-8960-39844B6B76DF_zpsahikecht.jpg&hash=b41a9ccac572af02eb5394157f3ed86060eb9ac6)
I often run the dampers on the softest setting on the road and try settings from medium to hard on track and am really impressed with the PSS10!
@vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981) at AKS Tuning sorted me and quite a few others on here with my Bilsteins, Ive added adjustable top mounts and adjustable superpro ball joints. Makes an awesome setup for road and track.
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Thanks for taking the time to put that post together Mike, it's very much appreciated.
Things like this get my attention from an engineering perspective.
Is it fair to say then that the ride from the PSS10's exceeds that of KW v3 for you?
I realize that other components may affect the assessment such as ARB's etc.
I have Eibach ARB's and also have TTRS arms allowing -2.85 camber to be set which is working well for me currently.
I'm a little nervous as the B12 kit I have has done and continues to do extremely well for me, but I'd like to determine if a coilover setup could improve things further still. The B12 over standard is a big leap forward, I'm not sure what my expectations should be with my next step.
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Sorry guys just seen this topic.
Yep got the Ohlins set on mine (Ed30)..using the kit supplied springs rather than the Alex (AKS) harder set up. Very pleased..for me it was a lot cheaper 'man maths' equation than buying a mk7 Golf R.
Got mine via GNJ Motorsport..not sure if Graeme still frequents this forum?
That said if buying again..or advising anyone on here I'd probably just go to Mick Gardner Racing at Barnsley. They are the official Ohlins Centre. Russell Walton who runs it there is a top bloke and really knows the world of suspension both on and off road, plus track.
MGR fully designed and developed the Ariel Nomad for info as that can be spec'd with Ohlins.
Anyone need anything more..just pm me. I'm gradually having more forum reading time these days..
Mark
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Thanks Mark. :happy2: