MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: slix on January 03, 2016, 11:17:32 pm
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Hi all. I keep getting the same fault code come back after a few code clearings and it's bugging me. Car drives fine other than the code.
17100 - Transmission input speed sensor (G182)
Fault frequency: 255
On Wikipedia it says it could be a loose connection or something? Anyone had this before or any idea? Hoping it's not the mechatronic about to go.
Thanks.
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Your problem maybe due to a faulty sensor inside the box.
Here is the sensor location.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1374.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag433%2FSandy1786%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F405927700.png&hash=51eeb2c8b1220535647aed371f3bcf0e36879d74)
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Number 1?
Looks like gearbox will have to be opened up if it is the sensor inside and not the wiring. How much would VW charge just to open the gearbox cover and replace it? Not cheap I'm guessing.
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Sorry yes it's number 1
I know someone who paid £450 for this service as it involves fresh oil and dsg filter, sealant for fitting the cover back on and that's not VW so your guess is as good as mine I'm afraid.
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Sorry yes it's number 1
I know someone who paid £450 for this service as it involves fresh oil and dsg filter, sealant for fitting the cover back on and that's not VW so your guess is as good as mine I'm afraid.
Okay thanks. Gonna keep an eye on it as 500 isn't a back breaker as an independent vag garage would probably be a better bet.
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Dealers will probably come out with all sorts are wrong ad they do.
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Dealers will probably come out with all sorts are wrong ad they do.
I know right. They will say ooh you need a whole new box etc etc. That's 5k please.
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Dealers will probably come out with all sorts are wrong ad they do.
I know right. They will say ooh you need a whole new box etc etc. That's 5k please.
and the rest :signLOL:
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Just an update to this...
Fault code still comes up, even after clearing it 2 times and scanning about a week later. Car still drives fine and changes gear ok.
What should I do? Try and trade in because it might get worse? Or just hope that it's just a sensor throwing a hissy fit most of the time? I read somewhere that the gearbox uses a secondary sensor of the first one malfunctions as a backup, but can't remember where I read it.
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I couldn't advise on what to do regards trading it in as someone else will be buying your problem after trading it.
If it's not causing any drivability issues you might be able to just drive it until it goes wrong and then worry about what to do.
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Hi all. I keep getting the same fault code come back after a few code clearings and it's bugging me. Car drives fine other than the code.
17100 - Transmission input speed sensor (G182)
Fault frequency: 255
On Wikipedia it says it could be a loose connection or something? Anyone had this before or any idea? Hoping it's not the mechatronic about to go.
Thanks.
Hi mate sorry to hijack but the garage have also just had this fault code come up after I've taken it to them after the DSG has been juddering between up shifts. Just wondering if you have had any luck on this?
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Hi all. I keep getting the same fault code come back after a few code clearings and it's bugging me. Car drives fine other than the code.
17100 - Transmission input speed sensor (G182)
Fault frequency: 255
On Wikipedia it says it could be a loose connection or something? Anyone had this before or any idea? Hoping it's not the mechatronic about to go.
Thanks.
Hi mate sorry to hijack but the garage have also just had this fault code come up after I've taken it to them after the DSG has been juddering between up shifts. Just wondering if you have had any luck on this?
I've not scanned the car for a while but car still drives ok even though the code is probably still there. I monitored all the sensors in the box and they all tally up to eachother in regards to speed and rpm etc so I'm miffed to what it could be. Maybe something tiny causing the code. The sensor mentioned in the fault code has been monitored my be during a drive and it's reading the cog speed fine too.
If yours is that bad to drive then maybe go to an independent garage and get them to swap out the sensor and give it a fluid change as box sump would be off anyway. I phoned a garage and they said the sensor was built into the mechatronic unit which isn't true so make sure you get a garage that knows what they are talking about lol.
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Hi all. I keep getting the same fault code come back after a few code clearings and it's bugging me. Car drives fine other than the code.
17100 - Transmission input speed sensor (G182)
Fault frequency: 255
On Wikipedia it says it could be a loose connection or something? Anyone had this before or any idea? Hoping it's not the mechatronic about to go.
Thanks.
Hi mate sorry to hijack but the garage have also just had this fault code come up after I've taken it to them after the DSG has been juddering between up shifts. Just wondering if you have had any luck on this?
I've not scanned the car for a while but car still drives ok even though the code is probably still there. I monitored all the sensors in the box and they all tally up to eachother in regards to speed and rpm etc so I'm miffed to what it could be. Maybe something tiny causing the code. The sensor mentioned in the fault code has been monitored my be during a drive and it's reading the cog speed fine too.
If yours is that bad to drive then maybe go to an independent garage and get them to swap out the sensor and give it a fluid change as box sump would be off anyway. I phoned a garage and they said the sensor was built into the mechatronic unit which isn't true so make sure you get a garage that knows what they are talking about lol.
Ok thanks. Well strange enough this has happened straight after my DSG service.
The garage has quoted me £260 if it is the sensor but I'm going to a DSG specialist tomorrow to see if they can shed some more light.
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It could be the wiring loose or the sensor being intermittent.
Where are you based? As 260 doesn't seem too bad for that job.
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It could be the wiring loose or the sensor being intermittent.
Where are you based? As 260 doesn't seem too bad for that job.
I know I was pleasantly surprised! I'm based on Bristol. He did say that was only a rough price though.
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glad they found something , hopefully a straight forward and not to expensive repair. in bristol you have bristol gearbox centre who i have seen mentioned in various dsg related threads - which is handy!
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glad they found something , hopefully a straight forward and not to expensive repair. in bristol you have bristol gearbox centre who i have seen mentioned in various dsg related threads - which is handy!
Yeah I'm glad they found something. It's the worst where there is clearly a fault that can't be found like a squealing I currently have at low speeds!
Yeah they have brilliant reviews and have free diagnosis so I'm going over there today.
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Get them to log into the module and monitor the actual sensor (G182) readings if they have access to vcds/vagcom. Might help in seeing if the sensor is completely buggered or maybe the wiring connector.
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Get them to log into the module and monitor the actual sensor (G182) readings if they have access to vcds/vagcom. Might help in seeing if the sensor is completely buggered or maybe the wiring connector.
Ok thanks I will ask them to do that. Hopefully it's just the wiring connector!
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Get them to log into the module and monitor the actual sensor (G182) readings if they have access to vcds/vagcom. Might help in seeing if the sensor is completely buggered or maybe the wiring connector.
So they've just told me that they believe it's the mechatronic unit :/
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As an update for the above...when I first told them I had a DSG service they told me you should never change the oil on the DSG as it can clean all the crap off the old components causing damage.
The fault code didn't come up when they plugged it in and they are not convinced it is the speed sensor. They also said a basic reset could work but may not. Failing this they would recondition the valve body on the mechatronic unit.
Looks like I got some thinking to do!
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As an update for the above...when I first told them I had a DSG service they told me you should never change the oil on the DSG as it can clean all the crap off the old components causing damage.
The fault code didn't come up when they plugged it in and they are not convinced it is the speed sensor. They also said a basic reset could work but may not. Failing this they would recondition the valve body on the mechatronic unit.
Looks like I got some thinking to do!
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Well after them saying you should never change the oil you should avoid them like the plague.
I knew they would say it's the mechatronic unit as one garage told me that without even looking at the car. Just such an easy thing to blame. And replacing that at a hefty cost from a "guess" would be a costly error.
And if the code wasn't there when they scanned it maybe it's an intermittent fault and has cleared. The faults have something called a reset counter which means each time the fault doesn't occur it clears back down to zero from a max of 255.
Keep an eye on it and maybe get a local user to scan in a few days to see if the code comes back.
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As an update for the above...when I first told them I had a DSG service they told me you should never change the oil on the DSG as it can clean all the crap off the old components causing damage.
The fault code didn't come up when they plugged it in and they are not convinced it is the speed sensor. They also said a basic reset could work but may not. Failing this they would recondition the valve body on the mechatronic unit.
Looks like I got some thinking to do!
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Well after them saying you should never change the oil you should avoid them like the plague.
I knew they would say it's the mechatronic unit as one garage told me that without even looking at the car. Just such an easy thing to blame. And replacing that at a hefty cost from a "guess" would be a costly error.
And if the code wasn't there when they scanned it maybe it's an intermittent fault and has cleared. The faults have something called a reset counter which means each time the fault doesn't occur it clears back down to zero from a max of 255.
Keep an eye on it and maybe get a local user to scan in a few days to see if the code comes back.
Yeah that is what I thought to be honest so BS35 4AL
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As an update for the above...when I first told them I had a DSG service they told me you should never change the oil on the DSG as it can clean all the crap off the old components causing damage.
The fault code didn't come up when they plugged it in and they are not convinced it is the speed sensor. They also said a basic reset could work but may not. Failing this they would recondition the valve body on the mechatronic unit.
Looks like I got some thinking to do!
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Well after them saying you should never change the oil you should avoid them like the plague.
I knew they would say it's the mechatronic unit as one garage told me that without even looking at the car. Just such an easy thing to blame. And replacing that at a hefty cost from a "guess" would be a costly error.
And if the code wasn't there when they scanned it maybe it's an intermittent fault and has cleared. The faults have something called a reset counter which means each time the fault doesn't occur it clears back down to zero from a max of 255.
Keep an eye on it and maybe get a local user to scan in a few days to see if the code comes back.
Avoid the dsg service like the plague :surprised: dodgy garage lol
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As an update for the above...when I first told them I had a DSG service they told me you should never change the oil on the DSG as it can clean all the crap off the old components causing damage.
The fault code didn't come up when they plugged it in and they are not convinced it is the speed sensor. They also said a basic reset could work but may not. Failing this they would recondition the valve body on the mechatronic unit.
Looks like I got some thinking to do!
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Well after them saying you should never change the oil you should avoid them like the plague.
I knew they would say it's the mechatronic unit as one garage told me that without even looking at the car. Just such an easy thing to blame. And replacing that at a hefty cost from a "guess" would be a costly error.
And if the code wasn't there when they scanned it maybe it's an intermittent fault and has cleared. The faults have something called a reset counter which means each time the fault doesn't occur it clears back down to zero from a max of 255.
Keep an eye on it and maybe get a local user to scan in a few days to see if the code comes back.
Sorry typo above ^^
Although the fault code doesn't come up it still judders so the problem is still there.
I'm going for a DSG factory reset but with the vw Indy that i usually go to. Despite the good reviews I'm going to avoid the DSG 'specialists'. Failing that it looks like I may have to recondition the valve bodies on mechatronics.
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It's probably a solder connection come loose on the mechatronics board as it is a common problem.
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What do you mean juddering? When does it do that?
Idle/gear change/switching from P to D/letting off the brake and creeping?
It's normal to get a slight bit of judder when you let off the brake and it pulls away, only slight though.
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What do you mean juddering? When does it do that?
Idle/gear change/switching from P to D/letting off the brake and creeping?
It's normal to get a slight bit of judder when you let off the brake and it pulls away, only slight though.
There's a single judder when I change up through the gears only when my foot is to the floor. This can sometimes be quite violent. Casual driving in D is fine and so are downshifts. Only seems to happen in manual mode.
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Don't you mean harsh changes?
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Don't you mean harsh changes?
Yeah that's a more accurate way of describing it, almost like it's snatching the gears. But like I said only happens when accelerating hard and usually only in manual mode.
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Don't you mean harsh changes?
Yeah that's a more accurate way of describing it, almost like it's snatching the gears. But like I said only happens when accelerating hard and usually only in manual mode.
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Keep us updated anyway if you find out more or sort the problem :smiley:
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Don't you mean harsh changes?
Yeah that's a more accurate way of describing it, almost like it's snatching the gears. But like I said only happens when accelerating hard and usually only in manual mode.
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Keep us updated anyway if you find out more or sort the problem :smiley:
I will do mate its just so frustrating when these things are never simple!
What I cant get my head round is why the garage is suggesting a reset instead of checking the wire and/or connector of the sensor. I'm guessing its because the fault didn't come up the second time.
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Just a quick update...just had the DSG reset to basic settings (as well as a full service which was due) and problem seems to have been resolved. Back to my silky smooth gear changes! :happy2:
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Just a quick update...just had the DSG reset to basic settings (as well as a full service which was due) and problem seems to have been resolved. Back to my silky smooth gear changes! :happy2:
thats very lucky :smiley:
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Just a quick update...just had the DSG reset to basic settings (as well as a full service which was due) and problem seems to have been resolved. Back to my silky smooth gear changes! :happy2:
thats very lucky :smiley:
So lucky, in fact i've bought myself a lottery ticket! :wink:
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That's good.
Just keep an eye on it as sometimes codes don't come back straight away. Fingers crossed tho :smiley:
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That's good.
Just keep an eye on it as sometimes codes don't come back straight away. Fingers crossed tho :smiley:
I will do. the code didn't come back so that's why I went for the reset.
Does yours still appear?
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Well I used to reset mine and go for a drive and didn't appear even when I scanned after 20 mins or so of driving about.
But if I scanned say a few days later it was back there. That's why it doesn't bother me that much as car drives fine and must just be a small niggle for now.
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Well I used to reset mine and go for a drive and didn't appear even when I scanned after 20 mins or so of driving about.
But if I scanned say a few days later it was back there. That's why it doesn't bother me that much as car drives fine and must just be a small niggle for now.
Well i hope it stays that way.
I didn't really have much hope for a DSG reset to be honest.
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Well you had an oil change in it so maybe that's helped as could have been contaminated oil or something which doesn't help. Let us know if the code stays away or comes back.
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My last car was showing this fault, but all of a sudden it just switched off one day.
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Just a quick update...just had the DSG reset to basic settings (as well as a full service which was due) and problem seems to have been resolved. Back to my silky smooth gear changes! :happy2:
thats very lucky :smiley:
So lucky, in fact i've bought myself a lottery ticket! :wink:
lol any luck? :jumping: seriously good to know it's resolved your issue and hopefully helps others out too.
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Just a quick update...just had the DSG reset to basic settings (as well as a full service which was due) and problem seems to have been resolved. Back to my silky smooth gear changes! :happy2:
thats very lucky :smiley:
So lucky, in fact i've bought myself a lottery ticket! :wink:
lol any luck? :jumping: seriously good to know it's resolved your issue and hopefully helps others out too.
No luck on the lottery unfortunately.
To be honest it was playing up slightly earlier tonight. Now I'm thinking it's the way I'm driving it!
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Could this simply be caused by changing too early with full throttle? E.g. In manual mode in 3rd, foot to floor and then change to 4th at say 2500rpm? This doesn't happen if I change further into the rev range.
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Just a quick update...just had the DSG reset to basic settings (as well as a full service which was due) and problem seems to have been resolved. Back to my silky smooth gear changes! :happy2:
thats very lucky :smiley:
So lucky, in fact i've bought myself a lottery ticket! :wink:
lol any luck? :jumping: seriously good to know it's resolved your issue and hopefully helps others out too.
No luck on the lottery unfortunately.
To be honest it was playing up slightly earlier tonight. Now I'm thinking it's the way I'm driving it!
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Shame you could of had a 500bhp motor sitting outside your house on Monday afternoon :grin:
I drive mine like a Sunday driver at times so maybe give it a few days and then decide what you think.
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Could this simply be caused by changing too early with full throttle? E.g. In manual mode in 3rd, foot to floor and then change to 4th at say 2500rpm? This doesn't happen if I change further into the rev range.
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The boxes have various safety settings built in so if it brings up a fault there is a reason.
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Just thought I may update this topic.
The DSG reset didn't work.
I then bought a remanufactured mechatronics as well as well as the garage changing the speed sensor. After all this it still snatches the gears and now additionally changes into second gear automatically in manual mode when I put my foot down.
Car is stage 1 remap.
Any help would be appreciated as I've already spent so much money ! :/
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Just thought I may update this topic.
The DSG reset didn't work.
I then bought a remanufactured mechatronics as well as well as the garage changing the speed sensor. After all this it still snatches the gears and now additionally changes into second gear automatically in manual mode when I put my foot down.
Car is stage 1 remap.
Any help would be appreciated as I've already spent so much money ! :/
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I think even when in manual mode it will still drop 2 gears if it needs to if the rpm are too low in original gear.
And did they do a reset after parts fitted and new oil?
How much did the sensor replacement cost if you don't mind me asking?
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Just thought I may update this topic.
The DSG reset didn't work.
I then bought a remanufactured mechatronics as well as well as the garage changing the speed sensor. After all this it still snatches the gears and now additionally changes into second gear automatically in manual mode when I put my foot down.
Car is stage 1 remap.
Any help would be appreciated as I've already spent so much money ! :/
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I think even when in manual mode it will still drop 2 gears if it needs to if the rpm are too low in original gear.
And did they do a reset after parts fitted and new oil?
How much did the sensor replacement cost if you don't mind me asking?
Oh right ok I can't remember it doing that.
I'm not sure they did a DSG reset on my old one and it didn't solve anything.
Well the part was £60ish but didn't charge me labour.
I'm guessing it's time to consider new gearbox.
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Well it's highly recommended when fitting a new or refurbished mechatronic unit to do a basic settings reset as it's all new and fresh. It's not essential as the car will learn over time and from motorway driving etc.
As no reset was done you could see how it goes and let the car re learn everything.
Doubt a new gearbox would sort this as the mechatronic is the main "brain" and will control everything in the box from gear changes to speed etc. As you have replaced this im stuck as this usually fixes 99% of problems as described.
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Well it's highly recommended when fitting a new or refurbished mechatronic unit to do a basic settings reset as it's all new and fresh. It's not essential as the car will learn over time and from motorway driving etc.
As no reset was done you could see how it goes and let the car re learn everything.
Doubt a new gearbox would sort this as the mechatronic is the main "brain" and will control everything in the box from gear changes to speed etc. As you have replaced this im stuck as this usually fixes 99% of problems as described.
I see what you mean. Could this one be faulty also?
My dads mechatronic went on his scirocco and vw sent a new one from Germany which was also faulty.
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Well it's highly recommended when fitting a new or refurbished mechatronic unit to do a basic settings reset as it's all new and fresh. It's not essential as the car will learn over time and from motorway driving etc.
As no reset was done you could see how it goes and let the car re learn everything.
Doubt a new gearbox would sort this as the mechatronic is the main "brain" and will control everything in the box from gear changes to speed etc. As you have replaced this im stuck as this usually fixes 99% of problems as described.
I see what you mean. Could this one be faulty also?
My dads mechatronic went on his scirocco and vw sent a new one from Germany which was also faulty.
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Maybe but you usually get more than just the speed sensor fault when the mechatronic is playing up.
Have you proof they actually did anything?
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Well it's highly recommended when fitting a new or refurbished mechatronic unit to do a basic settings reset as it's all new and fresh. It's not essential as the car will learn over time and from motorway driving etc.
As no reset was done you could see how it goes and let the car re learn everything.
Doubt a new gearbox would sort this as the mechatronic is the main "brain" and will control everything in the box from gear changes to speed etc. As you have replaced this im stuck as this usually fixes 99% of problems as described.
I see what you mean. Could this one be faulty also?
My dads mechatronic went on his scirocco and vw sent a new one from Germany which was also faulty.
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Maybe but you usually get more than just the speed sensor fault when the mechatronic is playing up.
Have you proof they actually did anything?
Yeah the garage have been sent a report?
I feel pretty stuck on what to do next to be honest haha.
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Was it a garage that specialised in dsg and autos? Or just a garage?
A dsg known garage will know what to do next and not just try to fix something once and leave it at that.
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Was it a garage that specialised in dsg and autos? Or just a garage?
A dsg known garage will know what to do next and not just try to fix something once and leave it at that.
It was a specialist company called Ac Tronics. It got sent to holland.
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Was it a garage that specialised in dsg and autos? Or just a garage?
A dsg known garage will know what to do next and not just try to fix something once and leave it at that.
It was a specialist company called Ac Tronics. It got sent to holland.
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Holland? Wow that's a long way. Maybe it was damaged in transit on the long trip.
There's a place called ecu testing based in UK
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Was it a garage that specialised in dsg and autos? Or just a garage?
A dsg known garage will know what to do next and not just try to fix something once and leave it at that.
It was a specialist company called Ac Tronics. It got sent to holland.
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Holland? Wow that's a long way. Maybe it was damaged in transit on the long trip.
There's a place called ecu testing based in UK
Yeah tell me about it it took ages. It's got a 2 year warranty.
I will check then out but I'm a bit reluctant to carry on down the mechatronic route
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