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All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: david25 on January 06, 2016, 07:50:10 pm
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Goodyear's answer to the Michelin Pilot Super Sport and Continental Sport Contact 6 is finally here, the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3!
While we've not yet had the chance to drive on it, the independent German test body TUV have done their usual array of tests, and found that the new Goodyear has 2.6 metres shorter wet braking (9% better performance) and 1.3 metres shorter dry braking (4% better performance) than the average of the Michelin Pilot Sport 3, Bridgestone Potenza S001 and Continental Sport Contact 5.
This is a tyre we're very excited about, so you can be sure we'll be reporting on the driving experience at the first opportunity.
The Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3 will be sold in 17 to 20 inches, covering 41 sizes. The tyre will be on the market in certain sizes now, with the majority of sizes on sale by March 2016.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Goodyear-Eagle-F1-Asymmetric-3-Press-Release.htm
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Really interesting, was wondering when a replacement would come for the 2.
A good tyre and to be fair still pretty good in it's class.
I think tyre technology has reached somewhat of a plateau now, to be honest in the real world i can't see these being any better than any of the other "decent" tyres
(note the report gives increases over "average" within the group!)
still sticking with michelin pss as my next tyre in 245/40.
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Agreed that may be better than the prior model.
However I have always stuck to Michelins for my cars and don't think I'll ever change.
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I'm a fan of the Asy2 simply as it's a great all rounder. My car is a family car so I've not been that keen to try the PSS. The wet grip from the Asy2 is pretty good, so I'm looking forward to trying these
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I will be interested to see the price that these are more than anything. I love my eagle f1s but wouldn't want to pay much more than I do at the minute per corner
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Thanks for posting this!
I'm a big fan of the Eagle F1's and have run them on several cars. I recently switched to conti sportcontact 5's on one on set of wheels, and they grip very well but seem to tramline like a mofo. Haven't tried pilotsports but hear great things.
I'll be interested in the F1 3's, but also interested to see if prices of the F1 2's fall as a result. Already good value IMO (I usually get tyres from camskill, mytyres or tyreleader)
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Interesting. Very similar tread pattern to the Contisport 5. Not a huge fan of the assy 2s tbh. They grip OK but it's just the steering feel. Nothing like as positive as Pilot Sports. I hope the assy 3s are an improvement in that area.
Thanks for posting this!
I'm a big fan of the Eagle F1's and have run them on several cars. I recently switched to conti sportcontact 5's on one on set of wheels, and they grip very well but seem to tramline like a mofo. Haven't tried pilotsports but hear great things.
Interestingly enough, I find the assy 2s do the same on my ED30 (and my R32 prior). Once they hit 4mm (half worn), the tramlining gets really bad the more it wears. It might just be typical of that kind of tread pattern. It's why the Conti sports have always had the plain centre band to improve straight line stability, but if people over inflate their rubber, that centre band wears away.
The only tyres I've used that stay consistent from new to bald are Bridgestone. Something to do with their dual compound. Gets softer the more it wears to combat heat cycling induced rubber hardening.
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I need some new tyres and off the back of this went looking.
It was probably going to be PS3's but MyTyres have Michelin PS4's listed so I'm going to give them a whirl. The Eagle F1 3's are also available.
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Will def consider these for my next tyre depending on price
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I have had assy 2's and sport contact 5's, I would rate the Goodyear's over the continental's, however, I did find that the Goodyear's grip level dropped dramatically below 4mm, and the continentals I have on just now have just about hit 4mm and they seem to be struggling too, however, with the colder weather, it may be that causing this. I would be interested to see how bridgestones stack up if they seem to grip well right up to their death bed, as I can get them pretty cheap too, rather than pss
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Any idea on release date?
My thread's are bordering illegal!
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I have had assy 2's and sport contact 5's, I would rate the Goodyear's over the continental's, however, I did find that the Goodyear's grip level dropped dramatically below 4mm, and the continentals I have on just now have just about hit 4mm and they seem to be struggling too, however, with the colder weather, it may be that causing this. I would be interested to see how bridgestones stack up if they seem to grip well right up to their death bed, as I can get them pretty cheap too, rather than pss
I've had Asys 2's bellow 2 mm (17'' wheels) and they kept performing well, even after ~50k miles of use (mostly in the rear axle). Replaced with the same tyres, just for safety issues, but I never felt my rear slip.
I have new Continental SC5's in my Ed. 30 (18'' wheel) that I'm enjoying as well. Still soon to see how long they will last.
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I need some new tyres and off the back of this went looking.
It was probably going to be PS3's but MyTyres have Michelin PS4's listed so I'm going to give them a whirl. The Eagle F1 3's are also available.
Very limited info on the Michelin PS4, didnt even know they released it!!!
Will still stick to the PSS for what I can see and read and people have told me they perform just as well in the wet but better in the dry.
http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110&typ=R-300283&partner=1&ID=froogle
Basically the same price as the Pilot Super Sport. £9 difference on that site.
Would really like to try the Pirelli Trofeo R but pointless for me, £250 per corner to sit on the motorway for 80% of it's time!
Disappointed to find the Conti Sport contact 5/6 thing isn't available in 18s.
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I have had assy 2's and sport contact 5's, I would rate the Goodyear's over the continental's, however, I did find that the Goodyear's grip level dropped dramatically below 4mm, and the continentals I have on just now have just about hit 4mm and they seem to be struggling too, however, with the colder weather, it may be that causing this. I would be interested to see how bridgestones stack up if they seem to grip well right up to their death bed, as I can get them pretty cheap too, rather than pss
Normal tyres lose a lot traction below 8 deg. The rubber gets hard, so loses a lot of it's pliability to grip onto the road surface. That's where winter tyres come in handy. MUCH softer compound.
The bridgestones I tried that felt same new > bald were RE720, RE050A and the SO2 if it helps. Stiff sidewalls too, so great for cornering feel, but at the expense of ride quality. Contis and the F1s are a bit more forgiving.
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Only a couple of sizes so far
http://www.camskill.co.uk/brands/goodyear-eagle-f1-asymmetric-3-car-tyres.php
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Michelin Pilot Sport 4 - Press Release
With the Continental Sport Contact 6 already launched, and the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3 announced, 2016 is shaping up to be a really exciting year for performance tyres.
Next up, the Michelin Pilot Sport 4. Many people felt the Pilot Sport name lost its direction as the Michelin Pilot Sport 3 didn't replace the Pilot Sport 2, but the slightly more touring bias Pilot Exalto 2. The true replacement for the Pilot Sport 2 came in the shape of the well regarded Michelin Pilot Super Sport.
With the launch of the Pilot Sport 4, Michelin are aiming to get the Pilot Sport name back on track. The new tyre borrows lessons learnt from both the Pilot Super Sport, and Michelins involvement with the Formula E race series. This has resulted in a tyre which has a much more performance focus than the Pilot Sport 3, but still retails excellent tread life, a strong wet performance and the good levels of comfort we've come to expect from a premium tyre.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilot-Sport-4-Press-Release.htm
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the goodyear eagle F1 Asymmetric 3 are on sale at the moment on tyre leader. 225/40/18 are £80.14 !!
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/eagle-f1-asymmetric-3/225-40-r18-92y-443743?utm_source=compare&utm_medium=google-shopping&utm_campaign=tyre&gclid=Cj0KEQiA_MK0BRDQsf_bsZS-_OIBEiQADPf--q6mXyIWzg6C_IIWPiTb7jHV8fe_rX7mw89l-nnGA1UaAupC8P8HAQ
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Has anyone gone for the PS4s yet?
Tyre leader selling them for 90 quid a corner compared with the PSS at nearly 110
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres-225-40-18-0-Y/?m%5B4%5D=on
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Really keen to try these and compare to my Goodys Asym 2. I've run about 6K on my current tyres so a change will be due sometime towards the end of this year or next.
However as one of the above ^^ posts mentioned, these new Asym 3s' are bledy cheap at the moment! At least compared to my current Asym 2s where I remember paying about £101 per tyre!
Here's a linky: http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110&cart_id=47605357.110.16549&Breite=225&Quer=40&Felge=18&Speed=&Load=92&kategorie=6&Marke=Goodyear&ranzahl=4&tyre_for=&x_tyre_for=&Herst=Goodyear&m_s=3&rsmFahrzeugart=ALL&filter_preis_bis=&filter_preis_von=&homologation=&search_tool=standard&Label=C-A-67-1&details=Ordern&typ=R-281967#
Wonder if they'll honour the price and actually have stock should I place an order. Mytyres.co.uk is actually run by a German firm called Delti.
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Ive had them on for 2 days, done 450 mile trip in them today in a mix of dry and wet driving. Really quiet and smooth, grips really well in the wet
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Really quiet and smooth, grips really well in the wet
Good to know mate! :happy2:
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Ive had them on for 2 days, done 450 mile trip in them today in a mix of dry and wet driving. Really quiet and smooth, grips really well in the wet
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I wish I had those available when I had to replace Asys 2 in my GT Sport. Good to know they please you. :happy2:
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Defo getting some of these come April :smiley:
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If i can't get any more GSD 3's i'm going to go for these on the rear to replace the p-zero's when i get the car back next week...:)
I'm getting annoyed with just 3 cylinders now!
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Definitely going to look into these around March/April time. Think I'll be buying whichever is cheapest at the time between these and Michelins
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Will it be ok to mix f1 2s and 3s? I have 2s on front but crappy Nexens on rear, don't know whether to get asy 2s all round or try the 3s on rear.
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Will it be ok to mix f1 2s and 3s? I have 2s on front but crappy Nexens on rear, don't know whether to get asy 2s all round or try the 3s on rear.
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Tyres can be mixed so long as its not cross axle, so yes you could run v2s on the front and v3s on the rear or vice versa
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Original post rearranged for clarity. :P
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Goodyear-Eagle-F1-Asymmetric-3-Press-Release.htm
"Goodyear's answer to the Michelin Pilot Super Sport and Continental Sport Contact 6 is finally here, the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3!
While we've not yet had the chance to drive on it, the independent German test body TUV have done their usual array of tests, and found that the new Goodyear has 2.6 metres shorter wet braking (9% better performance) and 1.3 metres shorter dry braking (4% better performance) than the average of the Michelin Pilot Sport 3, Bridgestone Potenza S001 and Continental Sport Contact 5.
This is a tyre we're very excited about, so you can be sure we'll be reporting on the driving experience at the first opportunity.
The Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3 will be sold in 17 to 20 inches, covering 41 sizes. The tyre will be on the market in certain sizes now, with the majority of sizes on sale by March 2016."
Does TyreReviews.co.uk not actually understand that the Michelin Pilot Sport 3 (the competitor tyre actually tested by Goodyear Dunlop) is a VERY different tyre to the ultra high performance Michelin Pilot Super Sport (as quoted in their opening sentence)? :stupid:
For the record, Goodyear will NEVER make a tyre to either beat, or be in direct competition with the Michelin Pilot Super Sport. The Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3 will never get anywhere near matching the Mich Pilot Super Sport. I strongly doubt that it will even be a match for the ageing, yet still highly competent Michelin Pilot Sport PS2. Frankly, neither Goodyear, nor Dunlop have the ability to make a genuine 'ultra high performance' tyre. They both simply follow where others have already been!
OK, to compare the GY Eagle F1 Asmm 3 against the Mich Pilot Sport 3 (which itself was designed to replace the softer Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2, and never to replace the Pilot Sport PS2) - that would be a much more realistic and appropriate comparison. And it was the Mich Pilot Sport 3 which was in the TuV tests requested by Goodyear. Staying with the specific test, the Continental SportContact 5 isn't really an appropriate tyre to pit against either the Michelin, nor the 'desired' market sector which Goodyear are targeting. And my final comment on the actual test - whilst we all no doubt love and adore our Golfs, and are impressed by the handling and general performance of said Golfs - especially in GIT or R guise - any sane person who tries to describe any Golf as an 'ultra high performance' car is severely off their rocker! :scared:
But yet again, the real crux is that Goodyear are feeding seriously flawed data to frankly gullible 'press' sites such as TyreReviews.co.uk - by stating single entry data for the Goodyear tyre - and comparing that to an aggregated and combined data of three very different tyres! Cooking the books - me thinks. :fighting:
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@Teutonic_Tamer (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=20)
Aren't the Continental SC5, the Michelin PS3 and Goodyear Eagle F1 Asys 2 in the same class? At least price wise they are...
The selection of competitors doesn't seem "cooked" to me. The Asys 3 should be better than the previous tyres, just like I expect the Continental SC6 and Michelin PS4 to be better as well. :smiley:
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I've just fitted 2 of these to the front of my ed30 after using vredestein ultrac sessanta which where good to start with but where awful the last 1000 miles. The car had michelin ps3 before them which I never really rated in the wet and thought the sidewalls where really soft but where a great tyre in the dry. To early to compare as of yet but can already say they seem better in the wet/damp compared to the previous 2 and are a lot quieter.
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Normal tyres lose a lot traction below 8 deg.
Wrong on two counts. Firstly "normal" as you state, but summer tyres as they are correctly described as - do NOT "lose a lot traction below . . . "; sure, they do loose a small amount of grip - but this loss of grip is totally manageable, and is consistent across the tyre pool. Secondly, the specific temperature tyres start to marginally loose grip is below 6 degrees celsius.
The rubber gets hard, so loses a lot of it's pliability to grip onto the road surface.
More rubbish! Rubber never gets "hard" - rubber always retains a degree of elasticity. Even in temperatures in double-digits below freezing, summer tyre tread 'rubber' will always be elastic and therefore flexible - and will always maintain the vast majority of its "pliability", and grip on the road surface.
That's where winter tyres come in handy.
There is no doubt that winter tyres might be handy, but realistically, unless you are wintering in the highlands of Scotland, winter tyres are really not needed in English and Welsh winters.
MUCH softer compound.
Pure, utter BS. A genuine winter tyre is a very different beast - in all attributes, compared to summer tyres. There is little actual difference in rubber compound between summer and winter tyres.
The bridgestones I tried that felt same new > bald were RE720, RE050A and the SO2 if it helps. Stiff sidewalls too, so great for cornering feel, but at the expense of ride quality. Contis and the F1s are a bit more forgiving.
Erm, Contis well-known for having the very stiffest of sidewalls. It is the rock-solid stability as a result of their stiff sidewalls that makes Contis utterly superb tyres on large uber saloons belting along the autobahns at v-max! However, at the opposite end of the stability spectrum, both Goodyear and Pirelli are well known for producing tyres with very weak carcasses, which frankly give a very sphincter-relaxing unstable ride at three-digit speeds.
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^ worth reading, especially for the last sentence.
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If i can't get any more GSD 3's i'm going to go for these on the rear to replace the p-zero's when i get the car back next week...:)
Why on earth do you still want the frankly Jurassic Goodyear GSD3s? :sick:
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Supersports are fantastic. Goodyears sidewalls are soft. They grip yes, but they make the car feel horrid
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Anyone tried the PS4s yet?
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Anyone tried the PS4s yet?
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@Teutonic_Tamer (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=20)
Aren't the Continental SC5, the Michelin PS3 and Goodyear Eagle F1 Asys 2 in the same class? At least price wise they are...
Define 'class'? Define the specific attributes you seek from a tyre - and then I might be able to give a better informed answer to your question. :happy2:
But for someone who really doesn't care about tyres - those three could possibly be described as being in the same class. And I could throw in a real curve ball - it could be said that the Goodyear EfficientGrip be in the same class as the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric. They are, afterall, both available in the same sizes, speed ratings and load indices! But to those with a proficient working knowledge - those two Goodyears are VERY different tyres, and are highly incompatible! :wink:
The selection of competitors doesn't seem "cooked" to me. The Asys 3 should be better than the previous tyres, just like I expect the Continental SC6 and Michelin PS4 to be better as well. :smiley:
The actual selection of competitors isn't cooked - it is the way that Goodyear are presenting the test data which is seriously flawed. And the fact that Goodyear are refusing to release the entire test data to the public is highly suspicious. Is there damning test results that would not substantiate Goodyears' claim of glory? Which particular test discipline did they fail?
Let's get to the crux. Goodyear are an American tyre company, and develop their tyres to meet the requirements of American cars on American roads and American road surfaces. Michelin and Continental are both European companies, and develop tyres to meet the very different needs of European cars on European roads, European road surfaces, and European drivers.
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@Teutonic_Tamer (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=20)
Thank you for your explanation. :happy2:
When I referred same class, I was thinking about Summer Performance Tyres, that magazines compare together.
If you have the patience to elaborate more where the Goodyear fail compared to the European brands, I would appreciate. For my personal experience Goodyears have good grip, good durability, soft side walls, are more unbalanced tyres from new and it only gets worse with use, so they need to get calibrated more often maybe... :confused: They keep a good grip even when they reach the limit of the legal tread depth.
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Supersports are fantastic.
Never, ever heard a bad word against these. :happy2:
Goodyears sidewalls are soft. They grip yes, but they make the car feel horrid
Exactly. There are numerous reports - from both private motorists, and professional motoring journalists - who have repeatedly stated that Goodyears can destroy the stability of any car they are used on. Evo mag reported serious stability issues on their long term Mk5 R32 test hack when using GY F1 Asym 2s. There have been Mk5 GTI owners reporting serious stability issues, including repeated actuation of the ESP. There are RS4 owners who have reported issues - some even videoed truely shocking static deformation and deflection!
I personally, in a professional capacity, have witnessed very poor structural stability of many types of Goodyear tyres (though not any of the Eagle F1s) - during side-by-side comparative tests on identical vehicles. And again, in a professional capacity, I know a few Norwich Union (now Aviva) and independent accident assessors who have directly attributed some car crashes to Goodyear tyres.
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And here I was thinking my Goodyear Eagle F1 2s were great tyres. To be fair, for my use on the road, they're more than good enough for what I'm after.
The temperature makes a huge difference to how they feel. Below 12 degrees or so, the steering doesn't feel connected to the road, zero feedback and vague is how I would put it. I need much more steering angle to turn, even on slow bends.
Contrast this to when it has been above 12 in the time I've had them on (about 4 days or so), and they felt great. Good, weighty feedback.
I'll go for the Michelins next time, but the supersport seems to be overkill on a standard car.
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@Teutonic_Tamer (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=20)
Thank you for your explanation. :happy2:
You are very welcome. :drinking:
When I referred same class, I was thinking about Summer Performance Tyres, that magazines compare together.
And your thoughts are correct - they are all classified as summer performance tyres. But so is the Goodyear EfficientGrip!
But in reality, it is certain specific attributes which individual folks require from their tyres. Some may well seek a long tyre life and high mileage. I personally don't consider that to be a priority. Being a Brit, my personal over-riding attribute is the highest possible grip levels when cornering at high speeds on wet roads. But I'm guessing being as you live in Portugal - wet grip requirements are low down your priorities. And about 99% of Americans don't look for grip in corners at all. Americans (who seek a 'high performance' tyre) want grip in a straight line - ie, grip when accelerating (traction) and decelerating (braking) in a straight line. Additionally, Americans also seek comfort - hence why Goodyear (and other American tyres) have soft, weak sidewalls - which provide a lot of flex, and therefore a lot of cushioning. Americans would hate Continentals - which have very stiff sidewalls and a very sturdy overall carcass. Continental tyres would give a very harsh, unforgiving ride to Americans, when compared with equivalent size and specification Goodyears.
If you have the patience to elaborate more where the Goodyear fail compared to the European brands, I would appreciate. For my personal experience Goodyears have good grip, good durability, soft side walls, are more unbalanced tyres from new and it only gets worse with use, so they need to get calibrated more often maybe... :confused: They keep a good grip even when they reach the limit of the legal tread depth.
I touched on the specifics in Reply #38
I don't think there has ever been doubts that Goodyear Eagle F1 Asyms give good grip - particularly in the dry in a straight line. And, yes, maybe in the straight and dry, they might well grip slightly better than say the equivalent Continental. But take your car with Goodyears to Germany, and cruise at 250kmh on one of their autobahns - and at best, you will find the car very 'fidgety', and will get white knuckles from holding the steering wheel tight. Do the same journey in the same car, but with Continentals - and the ride will be considerably more relaxed, the car will be massively more stable at very high speeds - and it will even be possible to relax your grip on the steering wheel - even letting go. Again, on that same 250kmh autobahn blast - if someone pulls into your lane ahead on your Conti shod car - when you stamp on the brakes hard - your car will brake with perfect stability in a straight line. With Goodyears, it will stop in a similar distance to the Contis, but the loss of stability will be truely frightening - a Goodyear shod car will squirm uncontrollably, you will be fighting hard with the steering wheel - and you will probably need a change of underpants!
So, sure, Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymms can give good grip in very specific attributes. But as an all-weather, three-season tyre with rock-stable tracking - there are much better offerings over the Goodyear.
I hope this helps. I need my bed now, so I shall return tomorrow if further help is needed. :sleepy:
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I was toying with the idea of trying the new GY asym3, but reading that ........i think I'll give it a miss.
Iv done around 10k miles on my current MPSS including 1 trackday and the fronts are about done, with close to 4mm on the rears .
Should I just replace them like for like or is there an alternative to try @Teutonic_Tamer (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=20) ?
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I guess I made a good decision to fit Continentals SC5 when I bought the OZ wheels. :happy2:
I've done a track day with them and I went beyond their limits. I think I'll get some MPSS next time or an even better option would be a spare set of wheels with semi-slicks. :evilgrin:
I do think Goodyears F1 Asys 2 have good grip in the wet as well. They surprised me because even when old they still gripped well in damped roads in the rear axle on the GT Sport (less demanding car compared to the Ed. 30). That's why I bought a new set to replace the old ones. But when I'll need to replace the fronts, I think I'll get Continentals. :laugh:
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You cannot compare the Eagle f1 assy2/3 to the Michelin pilot supersport. Totally different class of tyre.
Fwiw i had f1 assy2s before moving to vortis and i ran about 35k on them. Had them at over 150mph and did a lot of driving and i had no problems at all. Only issue was tramlining. I ran 38psi all round.
No issues. The eagles are very capable tyres for most people. Irrespective of where the company is based the f1s have ALWAYS done well.
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I'm on the RS246 forum a lot (I have a B7 RS4) and haven't come across anyone reporting "serious stability issues" with the GY F1 asy 2. They're one of the favourites, after the Michelin super sport and pilot sports.
I've got one set of wheels for my RS4 on F1's, another on conti SC5's, and I have a set of spare SC3 loose tyres for the track. The Goodyear's are my favourite of the lot. I find the conti's grip well but tramline, especially the SC 3's that make the car feel really twitchy on road (not a problem on track). I've run the goodyears on track too and I will say that they seemed to take more of a beating compared to the conti's, I expect because they're softer. Great grip though, slightly nicer ride and the car feels more stable on road.
Yet to try any Michelins on the RS or Golf, will probably do that next time I need new tyres on either car. The golf is on SC 3's too.
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Had the F1 ays 3's fitted to my Ed30 for just over a week now and can't fault them, especially in the wet! Been plenty of rain this week and my commute takes me on motorways and country lanes and they haven't concerned me once!
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I was toying with the idea of trying the new GY asym3, but reading that ........i think I'll give it a miss.
Iv done around 10k miles on my current MPSS including 1 trackday and the fronts are about done, with close to 4mm on the rears .
Should I just replace them like for like or is there an alternative to try @Teutonic_Tamer (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=20) ?
If you are 100% happy with the Mich Pilot SuperSports - why change to an unknown?
IMVHO, if you have done around 10k miles on a set of ultra high performance tyres, which also includes a trackday - I would personally be happy with that tyre life. I certainly would NOT recommend you use the Pilot Sport 3 - as they are a considerable step backwards from your current SuperSports, and are actually worse than the older Pilot Sport PS2. I can't comment on the new PS4, as I have yet to try them (though hopefully, by next weekend, I will be putting a pair of them through their paces on my GIT). I can still strongly recommend the PS2 - as they are still a superb tyre (and are still being manufactured).
As for other brands to avoid, I would very strongly state the avoidance of any Pirelli, Yokohama, Marshall, Barum, Autogrip, Nankang, Trayall.
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Just replaced a set of Michelin pilot sport 2 after 18,000miles from the wife's Leon. Still had 3mm on them but had started cracking heavily. Chosen the Goodyear asy 3's, as it was available at time, didn't fancy putting some of the lesser brands as you note above.
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I was toying with the idea of trying the new GY asym3, but reading that ........i think I'll give it a miss.
Iv done around 10k miles on my current MPSS including 1 trackday and the fronts are about done, with close to 4mm on the rears .
Should I just replace them like for like or is there an alternative to try @Teutonic_Tamer (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=20) ?
If you are 100% happy with the Mich Pilot SuperSports - why change to an unknown?
IMVHO, if you have done around 10k miles on a set of ultra high performance tyres, which also includes a trackday - I would personally be happy with that tyre life. I certainly would NOT recommend you use the Pilot Sport 3 - as they are a considerable step backwards from your current SuperSports, and are actually worse than the older Pilot Sport PS2. I can't comment on the new PS4, as I have yet to try them (though hopefully, by next weekend, I will be putting a pair of them through their paces on my GIT). I can still strongly recommend the PS2 - as they are still a superb tyre (and are still being manufactured).
As for other brands to avoid, I would very strongly state the avoidance of any Pirelli, Yokohama, Marshall, Barum, Autogrip, Nankang, Trayall.
Very happy with the MPSS, I was just looking at other brands and Wondering what if.......
Iv also been pondering over ,Michelin pilot sport cup 2, Toyo R888 & R888R ,mayve a little extreme for a daily driver. I need an extra set of rim really
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I picked up some ad08r for 90 each. They do have their faults but at that price I cannot complain.
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I picked up some ad08r for 90 each. They do have their faults but at that price I cannot complain.
New? Where from ? And size ?
Tyreleader had them for about a ton but they were 88y rated
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A mate. 225 40 18. 88 rating but they are stiffer than a normal 92 anyway
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A mate. 225 40 18. 88 rating but they are stiffer than a normal 92 anyway
I was miss sold 88 last year, realised too late having put nearly 5k miles on them:-(, anyway they've Been alright but I'm gonna Gonna make sure there at least 92 this time. 92 being the minimum for my Leon
The 235/40/18 (£118)are cheaper than the 225/40/18 (£150) on tyre leader at the moment
But I did see those ado8's for under a ton on tyre leader aswell
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Try camskill ^
I find they have the cheapest prices atm out of tyreleader, mytyres and blackcircles
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Try camskill ^
I find they have the cheapest prices atm out of tyreleader, mytyres and blackcircles
Iv never known camskill be cheaper than tyre leader , but I'll endevour there hideously set out site( I'm not a fan of the layout)
Edit :-can't find super sports in 225 or 235/40/18 on camskill
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Try camskill ^
I find they have the cheapest prices atm out of tyreleader, mytyres and blackcircles
Iv never known camskill be cheaper than tyre leader , but I'll endevour there hideously set out site( I'm not a fan of the layout)
Edit :-can't find super sports in 225 or 235/40/18 on camskill
Have to admit that their site is just AIDS to use!
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Aha!
235/45/18 mpss
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-super-sport/235-45-zr18-94y-429583 £133
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s2057p102236/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_SuperSport_Pilot_Michelin_Super_Sport_-_235_45_R18_%2894Y%29_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_F_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_2_Noise%3A_71dB £147
What Iv just noticed is the MPSS from tyre leader has its manufacturer date on of 2013! But no date on camskill.
Are 3yr old tyres ok ?
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You have to be carful with tyre leader selling old stock
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A mate. 225 40 18. 88 rating but they are stiffer than a normal 92 anyway
I was miss sold 88 last year, realised too late having put nearly 5k miles on them:-(, anyway they've Been alright but I'm gonna Gonna make sure there at least 92 this time. 92 being the minimum for my Leon
The 235/40/18 (£118)are cheaper than the 225/40/18 (£150) on tyre leader at the moment
But I did see those ado8's for under a ton on tyre leader aswell
They dont do 92 in 2254018 ad08r
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You have to be carful with tyre leader selling old stock
I think they indicate when the tyres are older (have seen older stock on their site at a reduced price, but with year of manufacture clearly mentioned.)
I've had 3 tyre orders off them and all had a dot code only a few months old.
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Had 2 new GY AS3's fitted on the rears today.
£170 fitted.
Ablefit in Bristol...:)
They have made all the difference after replacing them from some nearly worn pirellis.
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Supersports are fantastic. Goodyears sidewalls are soft. They grip yes, but they make the car feel horrid
I found the same. I've had PSS on the front only. Not yet had the pleasure of having them all round. Loved the PS2 over the F1 tyres.
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I've just ordered two from Camskill in 225/40/18 for £160 delivered. Never had a problem experience with soft sidewalls on F1's, then again I've always purchased 'XL' rated ones.
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Every buys the XL92 versions. Still soft IMO
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Iv just ordered 2 asym3 to be fitted on Saturday (£176 fitted)
mpss are great and I will buy again but more likely try the cup2's, trying the GY's as my annual mileage this year will be close to 14kmiles and the mpss barely lasted 10kmiles
I'll have a full set of boots (GY asym3) on by the middle of March, I dhave not expect them to be as grippy or have the turn in and feedback of the mpss, but looking forward to trying them out .
I rated the asym 2 highly on my 130i
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Cup2s are literally a summer tyre only!! Cold, damp, rain.....yeah, you could be in for some dicey moments! SuperSports are a better all rounder, and maybe the PS4s, but it's early days on the latter.
Anyone got any feedback on the Assym 3s yet? Assym 2s are absolutely useless this time of year, not that I expected winter tyre performance from them, but they're completely rubbish in the cold. Or maybe I just drive too fast.
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Cup2s are literally a summer tyre only!! Cold, damp, rain.....yeah, you could be in for some dicey moments! SuperSports are a better all rounder, and maybe the PS4s, but it's early days on the latter.
Anyone got any feedback on the Assym 3s yet? Assym 2s are absolutely useless this time of year, not that I expected winter tyre performance from them, but they're completely rubbish in the cold. Or maybe I just drive too fast.
They'd be on a second set of rims for weekend hoon/trackdays only, they wouldn't last a summer otherwise,
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I've just got my PS4's yesterday, should be getting fitted Saturday hopefully.
Interested to see how they are tbh
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I've just got my PS4's yesterday, should be getting fitted Saturday hopefully.
Interested to see how they are tbh
Keep us posted :happy2:
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Big fan of the Asy 2 F1's. Second time round I've put them on all round. Had Avon ZZ3's, Proxes T1R's, Falken 452's & 453's, P Zero Rosso's and they're easily better than all of them, the only tyres that were on the same level were Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta, but they were £130 a corner when I had them and I buy Asy 2's now for £80 a pop.
Would be intrigued to see how the Asy 3's fair...
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I'm impressed with them,I was worried they'd ruin the handling/feel, but there quiet,plenty o grip and the turn in and lateral grip is good when pushing on.
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I just had a set fitted to the front, loads of grip I the dry, wait for the rail tomorrow and we will see.
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I've just got my PS4's yesterday, should be getting fitted Saturday hopefully.
Interested to see how they are tbh
Got 4 of those fitted today and so far so good. Done about 100 dry miles on them already! Sometimes new tyres feel a bit squishy/slimey until they're scrubbed in, but these felt great from the get go. No release agents on them.
Ride quality about the same as the F1 over general bumps and lumps but somehow less harsh over ruts, broken tarmac, speed humps etc which is awesome given the stiffer sidewalls.
Self centering is much stronger, better turn-in, less tramlining and tonnes of grip. Very happy with them so far. Will report back once I've tried them in the wet.
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I've just got my PS4's yesterday, should be getting fitted Saturday hopefully.
Interested to see how they are tbh
Got 4 of those fitted today and so far so good. Done about 100 dry miles on them already! Sometimes new tyres feel a bit squishy/slimey until they're scrubbed in, but these felt great from the get go. No release agents on them.
Ride quality about the same as the F1 over general bumps and lumps but somehow less harsh over ruts, broken tarmac, speed humps etc which is awesome given the stiffer sidewalls.
Self centering is much stronger, better turn-in, less tramlining and tonnes of grip. Very happy with them so far. Will report back once I've tried them in the wet.
Sounds good! I'm test fitting tomorrow as think may need to roll the front arches without scrubbing.
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Done another 100 miles and they're bloody amazing tyres. Michelin have a pulled a blinder with these. Better than the F1s (assy 2) in every way.
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I've done nearly 600 mile in all weather and all different driving styles and can't fault them at all
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They've transformed the car. I thought my dampers and/or bushes were shot but it was just the tyres! I hope the Assy 3s are a lot better but I won't be using F1s again.
Gave it the big beans (mapped ED30) and the TC hasn't kicked in yet, just a very slight chirp in 3rd. The F1s used to spin up easily.
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i was hoping to find a post on tyres.
i need to replace all 4 Michelin PS3 and I'm torn between another set of those or a set of PS4. :thinking:
I've been looking on www.tyreleader.co.uk there prices are great.
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i was hoping to find a post on tyres.
i need to replace all 4 Michelin PS3 and I'm torn between another set of those or a set of PS4. :thinking:
I've been looking on www.tyreleader.co.uk there prices are great.
From the feedback iVe seen on the PS3s, it hasn't been particularly great for them. Get yourself some PS4s. 92 quid a corner on camskill or tyreleader.
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i've really liked the Ps3's i got 12k on the fronts and there on about 2.5mm. they do spin up in the wet a bit i suppose.
i'll order two now and give them a try they get better fuel efficiency ratings anyway.
thanks
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Can confirm the PS4s are really good in torrential rain, standing water and greasy roundabouts.
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So a much better all rounder than the Asy2, under all conditions?
Or are you comparing a new PS4 with the performance of an old and worn down Asy2?
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I have just skimmed through this thread as I need to replace my ContiWinterContact TS850 with some summer rubber.
I can concur with what Teutonic_Tamer was saying to some extent. I had GY ASY 2 on my GTi and it was the worst feeling imaginable. For a starter the GY's looked under inflated, felt very unstable and when going around roundabouts/fast bends on B roads it felt like the wheel rim was moving/folding over the outside of the tyre sidewall. So I got ride as soon as I could and when back to Pirelli PZero Rossos (now discontinued) and loved them. Stiff sidewalls, lots of grip and felt very stable. Then when I needed to replace them and heard that they are now being replaced with the PZero tyre. I though, are these going to be the same as the Rosso's, stiff sidewalls, lots of grip and confidence that I like. Yes! Yes they did and thought these are a fantastic tyre in the dry and an even better in the rain. My only down side to them was the wear rate - 5.5k miles ( and I was heard similar milage elsewhere of 6k). The tread pattern is soft - lots of grip - I would rather have a tyre like this than say a ditch finder tyre. At my previous job, one of these install guys was a tyre fitter by trade and he said that Contis and Pirellis where the hardest tyres to fir because of their stiff sidewalls.
But from reading this thread, I am a little unsure as to what I should get next. It won't be the GY ASY 3's thats for sure. The Conti's that I am running now are ok and have been okay over this very mild wet winter. I am kind of regretting purchasing them. They only work when the temperature is below 0. Above this they are average and the grip is nowhere to be found. I think if I was to purchase again I would get the Sottozero 3 instead.
I have narrowed it down to ContiSportContact 5 or the PZero (again). I don't like Michelin or Bridgestone (although I do see most of the new VAG cars with these tyres fitted). That would leave Dunlop.
Judging by what has been said that the Conti is the best to choose from?
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My Cupra came with Pzero Rosso & I thought they were decent too
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I'm not sure where you briefly read to, but the consensus is get Michelin PS2s / PS4s or Conti SC5s
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Adam, yes I did read right to the end, but I personally don't like Michelin's even though they do seem to get good results in tyre tests and forums. That would leave the CSC5's.
Tyres are a very subjective to the owner. What one person wants and likes, the next person won't.
I have just read this review about the PS4: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilot-Sport-4-First-Drive.htm
The review lost me at the top as to were this tyre fits into the range and what it replaces. But I think what Michelin has done is to make a UHP tyre with more comfort credentials might mean something would have to give. Only time will tell.
I would like a solid rubber traction engine tyre rather than a tyre that gives the impression of floating along the road. If I wanted that sensation I would go and buy an American yank tank. Thats not confidence inspiring at all in my mind, for any car, whether it be a Kia C'eed or a VW GTi. I want a firm solid construction with grip in dry and wet weathers.
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i went for Ps4's i really like them. just gave it some earlier. improvement on Ps3's
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Got a set of 4 Eagle F1 Assy 3's ordered and being fitted Friday
£397 all in which I am happy with
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So a much better all rounder than the Asy2, under all conditions?
Or are you comparing a new PS4 with the performance of an old and worn down Asy2?
Yep. Same roads I've been driving for the past 26 years. Definitely a big improvement, especially in turn-in feel and much more positive self centering. The Eagles are very poor in that area.
I had the Assy 2s from new and that's what my comparison is based upon. Of course, worn down tyres will be hopeless compared to new ones but I've used every F1 since it's launch and they've all been the same - fine up to and around half worn and then they are terrible from there to bald.
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Been running Asy2's since last July and covered around 11k miles in them and can't fault them so any tyre rated higher than these will need to be pretty impressive! Still got plenty life in mine too.
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What would you suggest for an Audi A4 Avant 1.8t Quattro?
Never going to be blasting around in it. Probably only ever get up to 100mph Max!
No tracking and won't be doing much fast B road driving.
It's my DD and the family car.
Thanks for any reason to replies.
:)
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Anyone got suggestions?
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If it's just comfort you want, get some Conti PC5's
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I don't like the feel and feedback from These new asym 3's when pushing on , so I'm probably gonna go back to the mpss,
So I'll have 2 GY eagle F1's asym 3 up for sale when I get round to changing them, barely got 2k mile on them
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Haven't read the rest of the thread but I had Assymetric II's and thought they were absolutely awful. I've just replaced my winters with Michelin PS4's and they are fantastic so far.
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ED30:
I am driving with "Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3, 225/40R18 92Y XL FP" from the beginning of this summer 2017.
At 7500 miles, I needed to change fronts to back, since there were only 3-4mm left (new tire 7-8mm?).
Rear was ok, 5-6mm left, which is more normal for that mileage. Both sides were close to each other and otherwise equal.
I wont buy same brand again.
I drive about 125 km (77 miles) per day and road is curvy and old, so that might be the reason eating my fronts.
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ED30:
I am driving with "Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3, 225/40R18 92Y XL FP" from the beginning of this summer 2017.
At 7500 miles, I needed to change fronts to back, since there were only 3-4mm left (new tire 7-8mm?).
Rear was ok, 5-6mm left, which is more normal for that mileage. Both sides were close to each other and otherwise equal.
I wont buy same brand again.
I drive about 125 miles per day and road is curvy and old, so that might be the reason eating my fronts.
That's the price you pay for grip. If you want a tyre that gives 5/6000 miles try Rainsport3 A lot cheaper than Eagles.
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Exactly /\. Everything performance orientated is going to wear out faster than stuff designed for comfort and lifespan.
My PS4s have worn down just as fast, but just like oil, petrol, and brake consumptions - it's part of GTI ownership. If it's too much, sell up and buy a 1.4 ecoboost or a Bluemotion TDI.
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Yup, sticky rubber is gonna wear. I find as long as my alignment is right and I don't attack every corner pretending I'm in a touring car I get decent miles out of PS4. More than MPSS, possibly, but that's just a hunch so far.
It's a trade-off. Buy rock hard ditchfinders and you might get double the miles. But the idea of putting sh*t tyres on any car makes me squirm.
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Cheap sh*t tyres should be banned, they are absolutely lethal in the wet
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Unfortunately there is a huge global market for cheap cr@p because cars are merely transport for 90% of the population.
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What would you suggest for an Audi A4 Avant 1.8t Quattro?
Never going to be blasting around in it. Probably only ever get up to 100mph Max!
No tracking and won't be doing much fast B road driving.
It's my DD and the family car.
Thanks for any reason to replies.
:)
Apologies for late reply! :P
For your car, and your type of driving, I would strongly recommend the Michelin Primacy - the fantastic Primacy 3 - https://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-primacy-3, or the latest Primacy 4 - https://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-primacy-4 . These are a really comfortable tyre, designed specifically for family saloon cars, are great for high mileage, and whilst being no 'sports' tyre, are very competent and stable when driven enthusiastically through the twisties if needed.
If you have a dislike of Michelin (though can never understand why those who do), a close equivalent from Continental would be their Conti Premium Contact - though it must be said that Continental tyres are always noticeably harder than their comparative Michelins, and will therefore give a harsher ride, and slightly less outright grip. But still a competent tyre.
HTH. :happy2:
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Are the Goodyear Asy 3s any good? I have 2s on the front which have been good, although the wear rate is average.
I need 2 rear tyres and was told just to get economy level ones as it’s the fronts that do all the driving?
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Are the Goodyear Asy 3s any good? I have 2s on the front which have been good, although the wear rate is average.
I need 2 rear tyres and was told just to get economy level ones as it’s the fronts that do all the driving?
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Your best bet could be to put the 2’s on rear for now and get PS4 on front. Cheap tyres are a false economy.
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The 3 is a pretty good tyre, but the PS4 I would recommend over both
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Are the Goodyear Asy 3s any good? I have 2s on the front which have been good, although the wear rate is average.
I have seen way too many problems with Goodyear Asymmetric 3s to recommend them. The infamous RedRobin had very real problems with them. Even Evo magazine slated them on their long term test on a Mk5 R32.
I need 2 rear tyres and was told just to get economy level ones as it’s the fronts that do all the driving?
That is dangerous advice. For many years, the official advice is to always fit your best tyres on the rear axle - even on front-wheel drive cars. Not only do you need the same 'quality' tyres on the rear, they should have the deepest tread.
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Are the Goodyear Asy 3s any good? I have 2s on the front which have been good, although the wear rate is average.
I need 2 rear tyres and was told just to get economy level ones as it’s the fronts that do all the driving?
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Your best bet could be to put the 2’s on rear for now and get PS4 on front. Cheap tyres are a false economy.
Cheers, will probably do that, although my fronts are balding on the inner edge!
I probably need to get a 4 wheel alignment done!
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Are the Goodyear Asy 3s any good? I have 2s on the front which have been good, although the wear rate is average.
I have seen way too many problems with Goodyear Asymmetric 3s to recommend them. The infamous RedRobin had very real problems with them. Even Evo magazine slated them on their long term test on a Mk5 R32.
I need 2 rear tyres and was told just to get economy level ones as it’s the fronts that do all the driving?
That is dangerous advice. For many years, the official advice is to always fit your best tyres on the rear axle - even on front-wheel drive cars. Not only do you need the same 'quality' tyres on the rear, they should have the deepest tread.
Thanks for the tip - I was just going by what a mechanic told me. He didn't seem to think it was worth spending a lot of money on the rears in a front wheel drive car.
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Are the Goodyear Asy 3s any good? I have 2s on the front which have been good, although the wear rate is average.
I have seen way too many problems with Goodyear Asymmetric 3s to recommend them. The infamous RedRobin had very real problems with them. Even Evo magazine slated them on their long term test on a Mk5 R32.
I need 2 rear tyres and was told just to get economy level ones as it’s the fronts that do all the driving?
That is dangerous advice. For many years, the official advice is to always fit your best tyres on the rear axle - even on front-wheel drive cars. Not only do you need the same 'quality' tyres on the rear, they should have the deepest tread.
Thanks for the tip - I was just going by what a mechanic told me. He didn't seem to think it was worth spending a lot of money on the rears in a front wheel drive car.
Keep away from that mechanic. He knows little about safety driving. :scared:
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Are the Goodyear Asy 3s any good? I have 2s on the front which have been good, although the wear rate is average.
I have seen way too many problems with Goodyear Asymmetric 3s to recommend them. The infamous RedRobin had very real problems with them. Even Evo magazine slated them on their long term test on a Mk5 R32.
I need 2 rear tyres and was told just to get economy level ones as it’s the fronts that do all the driving?
That is dangerous advice. For many years, the official advice is to always fit your best tyres on the rear axle - even on front-wheel drive cars. Not only do you need the same 'quality' tyres on the rear, they should have the deepest tread.
Thanks for the tip - I was just going by what a mechanic told me. He didn't seem to think it was worth spending a lot of money on the rears in a front wheel drive car.
Keep away from that mechanic. He knows little about safety driving. :scared:
He wasn’t saying buy unsafe ones just economy level ones, say £50 each rather than £100 each. They wouldn’t be able to sell them if they weren’t safe lol.
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Are the Goodyear Asy 3s any good? I have 2s on the front which have been good, although the wear rate is average.
I have seen way too many problems with Goodyear Asymmetric 3s to recommend them. The infamous RedRobin had very real problems with them. Even Evo magazine slated them on their long term test on a Mk5 R32.
I need 2 rear tyres and was told just to get economy level ones as it’s the fronts that do all the driving?
That is dangerous advice. For many years, the official advice is to always fit your best tyres on the rear axle - even on front-wheel drive cars. Not only do you need the same 'quality' tyres on the rear, they should have the deepest tread.
Thanks for the tip - I was just going by what a mechanic told me. He didn't seem to think it was worth spending a lot of money on the rears in a front wheel drive car.
Keep away from that mechanic. He knows little about safety driving. :scared:
He wasn’t saying buy unsafe ones just economy level ones, say £50 each rather than £100 each. They wouldn’t be able to sell them if they weren’t safe lol.
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They might be average on dry surfaces. On wet roads they’re also called ditch finders. I’m driving a Passat Variant 2.0 TDI with Michelin Energy tyres, which you can’t call budget tyres, and I find their wet grip awful compared with good sport tyres (Continental Sport Contact 5, Michelin PS4, Goodyear Eagle F1 Asys 3, etc.).
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So a much better all rounder than the Asy2, under all conditions?
Or are you comparing a new PS4 with the performance of an old and worn down Asy2?
Yep. Same roads I've been driving for the past 26 years. Definitely a big improvement, especially in turn-in feel and much more positive self centering. The Eagles are very poor in that area.
I had the Assy 2s from new and that's what my comparison is based upon. Of course, worn down tyres will be hopeless compared to new ones but I've used every F1 since it's launch and they've all been the same - fine up to and around half worn and then they are terrible from there to bald.
So @Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) are you using the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S now? :) I'm also about to get myselv some new tires and I've read that these F1 wear fast and then go bad as you also stated
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Michelin still hasn’t made PS4S for 18” wheels, just for 19” and above. It’s the PS4 that you can get in 18”.
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Actually they make PS4S in both 17” and 18” sizes for USA market according to the tire rack site but choose not to make it available for their fellow europeans......
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I've got ps4 for my 18 mins as.
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I've asked a retailer here in Denmark that normally are great at getting stuff which isn't easy to find in EU.. Maybe he can sort me out with some PS4S for my wheels..