Post by: Madone on January 11, 2016, 09:03:00 am
General question really, I am really impressed with what can be extracted from the edition 30 engine, 370bhp ish for relatively little outlay, no new injectors or turbo etc. A real tuning goldmine. Are any of the MK7 engines tuneable in the same way for example ?, can the R make 400 with bolt ons ?. I can't think of another car in any brand where you can achieve such massive tuning gains as the Ed lump 220-370 ! :jumpmove:
Post by: AJP on January 11, 2016, 09:32:49 am
http://www.revotechnik.com/product-details/software/volkswagen/golf-vii/181/stage-2
There's probably much more to choose from with bolt ons and software with the TFSI ed30. It's a bit more of a known quantity.
I know some TSI cars, mk6 on, had cam chain problems. Maybe a consideration.
Buying a clean ed30 and taking it to 370bhp would be miiiiiles cheaper than doing it with a mk7 R!!!
Post by: Madone on January 11, 2016, 10:26:57 am
Post by: AJP on January 11, 2016, 10:28:53 am
Post by: rich83 on January 11, 2016, 10:32:47 am
Post by: Madone on January 11, 2016, 10:33:34 am
Post by: rich83 on January 11, 2016, 10:47:52 am
Post by: pudding on January 11, 2016, 03:22:48 pm
General question really, I am really impressed with what can be extracted from the edition 30 engine, 370bhp ish for relatively little outlay, no new injectors or turbo etc. A real tuning goldmine. Are any of the MK7 engines tuneable in the same way for example ?, can the R make 400 with bolt ons ?. I can't think of another car in any brand where you can achieve such massive tuning gains as the Ed lump 220-370 ! :jumpmove:
Old Saabs used to be the same. Capable of huge power with the standard engine!
I always take 300hp as the average ED30 power hike. Doable with a 0.4 bar increase in boost on an otherwise standard engine.
350+ seems to me it's running the turbo way past it's comfort zone, so long term reliability could be a question mark. I'm talking 50K miles, not just a few long distance road trips.
Post by: Madone on January 11, 2016, 04:29:01 pm
Certainly doesn't look like the MK7 is as tuneable out of the box
Post by: AJP on January 11, 2016, 04:55:05 pm
Agree, pushing the ed30 to stage 2+ will tax the turbo, for me the price of getting that refreshed later in the future if needed is worth the ride. tbh it is so fast I can't drive it hard most of the time at all, but it's worth it for those over taking opportunities when they come.I think the same principles apply to the mk7 R, it's just that the ed30 in particular is a somewhat detuned k04 engine (no doubt not to step on the toes of the R32 power/price bracket).
Certainly doesn't look like the MK7 is as tuneable out of the box
If you take the TFSI S3 for example, they're 260ish bhp? And map to 300. The ed30 is 230 bhp and... maps to 300. Practically identical k04 engine.
So the ed30 seems more tunable than other TFSIs/TSIs, but it's just that it has a bit more slack to be taken up.
Post by: rich83 on January 11, 2016, 05:01:15 pm
Post by: pudding on January 12, 2016, 02:56:45 pm
Agree, pushing the ed30 to stage 2+ will tax the turbo, for me the price of getting that refreshed later in the future if needed is worth the ride. tbh it is so fast I can't drive it hard most of the time at all, but it's worth it for those over taking opportunities when they come.I think the same principles apply to the mk7 R, it's just that the ed30 in particular is a somewhat detuned k04 engine (no doubt not to step on the toes of the R32 power/price bracket).
Certainly doesn't look like the MK7 is as tuneable out of the box
If you take the TFSI S3 for example, they're 260ish bhp? And map to 300. The ed30 is 230 bhp and... maps to 300. Practically identical k04 engine.
So the ed30 seems more tunable than other TFSIs/TSIs, but it's just that it has a bit more slack to be taken up.
1.1 bar (IIRC) for the S3 and 0.9 bar for the ED30, otherwise identical engines :smiley:
400 from the MK7 sounds fun! The standard car can do 0-60 in 4.43 seconds, so it must be under 4 with 400hp!
Post by: AJP on January 12, 2016, 02:57:43 pm
Post by: Madone on January 12, 2016, 04:07:48 pm
Post by: pudding on January 13, 2016, 03:26:27 pm
It also has VVT on both cams, timing chain and a few other minor improvements.
Post by: Madone on January 13, 2016, 07:55:21 pm
Post by: pudding on January 14, 2016, 10:08:52 am
Only snag with the MK5 ECU is it records how many times the ECU has been flashed, which afaik, cannot be reset back to 0. I think you need a new ECU from VW in a 'virgin' state if you want to start over.
There's always a certain amount of reverse engineering to be done on these things by aftermarket tuners, so I can understand some getting blown up!!
I think the MK7 Golf R's ECU can be flashed but it throws a "TD1" warranty code. A lot of people leasing a 7 R got caught out with that.
Post by: danishmkvgti on January 14, 2016, 06:02:11 pm
Post by: pudding on January 15, 2016, 12:15:57 pm
ED30/Cupra/S3/Mk 6 R/Scirocco R engines all offer the same level of tune, i did 489bhp/564Nm on the Cupra BWJ totally stock engine i had in my mk 5 Golf GTI.
489hp!! More info please!!!
Post by: AJP on January 15, 2016, 12:41:05 pm
I'm guessing 3071R or similar.ED30/Cupra/S3/Mk 6 R/Scirocco R engines all offer the same level of tune, i did 489bhp/564Nm on the Cupra BWJ totally stock engine i had in my mk 5 Golf GTI.
489hp!! More info please!!!
Post by: danishmkvgti on January 15, 2016, 04:14:04 pm
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Post by: AJP on January 15, 2016, 04:24:40 pm
Precision 5558, cts cast manifold, full 3" BCS Powervalve exhaust, rs4 injectors and Revo stage 4 for the gtiNice.
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