MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: ED30Girl on January 20, 2016, 03:08:06 pm
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I've finally decided after having my Ed30 for a few months now and managing to save up some money i'm going to treat myself! :grin:
Obviously faster would would be better but as i'm only 21 i think i've got a pretty fast car for my age anyway! But shes just WAYYY too quiet in my opinion.
Rather than stressing myself over what to start with i thought i might aswell ask everyone else's advise and im hoping you'll help me :ashamed:, i'm already thinking of ordering a powervalve turbo back decat system ( maybe with smaller silencer ) and maybe an induction kit (can't decide which one ) and was thinking of leaving it as that and going for a stage 1 map at Rtech. I would LOVE more power but i really haven't got the money at the mo to be replacing/upgrading everything like fuel pump/brakes/clutch. But i obviously would if i needed to because i wouldn't want to cause any damage. All i'm after is a better sound and abit more power without going over the top and costing me how much! Please let me know if there's anything i should really think about doing aswell if i'm thinking of doing the above?
Thanks Guys :happy2:
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in terms of remap you'll be fine at stage 1 with your existing hardware. Is it DSG?
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The exhaust (downpipe) is the best mod you can do to these engines (the rest of the exhaust will make you want to boost the engine everywhere). An induction will make more noise (not needed for a stage 1), so try getting one in second hand and in good condition (Revo, EVOMS). :happy2:
Good luck!
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Don’t mean to hijack the thread (although the info may benefit ED30 girl anyway) but if you were to get the remap stage 1 first, can you then fit an induction kit after?
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Don’t mean to hijack the thread (although the info may benefit ED30 girl anyway) but if you were to get the remap stage 1 first, can you then fit an induction kit after?
I don't see any problem with that. The OEM airbox can do 330-340 HP with no problems. If you fit an induction kit later you'll just need a map tweak at the worst case scenario.
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As stated above, BCS full turbo back exhaust system plus EVOMS or my favourite, RAMAIR induction kit.
If you haven't already lowered, look at getting Eibach springs or some Coilovers if funds allow. Every car looks better lowered imo, not to mention will improve handling
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Anti lift kit help power delivery and a new set of engine/dog mount :popcornsoda:
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dont for get if you go stage1 them your insurance will go up slighlty but the best mod you can do
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And we're off :happy2:!
Make a list of what you would like to do with your ride.
Then when funds and time are reached continue that step further.
What I like most about the forum is the mods section! And of course the help of fellow enthousiasts over here! :notworthy:
But in the end you're the one who decides what mods you'll like to change or begin with!
Hope to have helped you out a bit. :wink:
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dont for get if you go stage1 them your insurance will go up slighlty but the best mod you can do
I changed my insurance over yesterday ahead of my remap. Costs me about £9 a month more - hopefully a bargain
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A better sound and a bit more power u say.
An induction kit- will give you a louder induction note(you could remove sound proofing from underneath the bonnet and remove the parcel shelf both free, and will make it louder)
And a stage one remap will give you the extra power your after .
You could probably do both of those for the cost of the bcs exhaust system. I'd personally throw the rest of your cash into a big brake kit,
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Thanks Guys! :happy2:
No its a Manual and i think ill start off with the Exhaust, induction kit and stage 1 map then if i haven't got to worry about brakes and clutch at this point.
Also got her Serviced at VW last month and she desperately needs the suspension bushes doing but i don't know anything about the suspension side of the car and mods, what do people recommend that will be a better purchase than just buying the standard rubber bushes? Am i right to think the Anti Lift Kit would also replace the bushes?
Also will definitely at some point be lowering the car and also getting some decent brakes but obviously when funds allow.
Fingers crossed the insurance won't be too high, im going to have a search around the best insurance companies for modified cars later and see if i can get a rough price, hoping that being a girl and having 2 years no claim is going to help :smiley:
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Getting the bushes sorted and an anti-lift kit is a must have to improve the handling.
If you want the car to feel really tight you'll like polyurethane bushes (I think SuperPro makes the best but Powerflex is good too and a bit cheaper). You'll lose comfort if you fit polyurethane bushes, so keep that in mind as well.
The ALK will only replace one of the front suspension control arm bushes, but it's the most important and the ride comfort isn't that much affected.
When you want to lower the car, you'll be better off with a Bilstein B12 kit or Bilstein B8 with H&R -30 mm springs, if you want to keep it simple and easy. If your mechanic knows how to adjust Koni Sports dampers, I have them with H&R springs and they're great.
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Getting the bushes sorted and an anti-lift kit is a must have to improve the handling.
If you want the car to feel really tight you'll like polyurethane bushes (I think SuperPro makes the best but Powerflex is good too and a bit cheaper). You'll lose comfort if you fit polyurethane bushes, so keep that in mind as well.
The ALK will only replace one of the front suspension control arm bushes, but it's the most important and the ride comfort isn't that much affected.
When you want to lower the car, you'll be better off with a Bilstein B12 kit or Bilstein B8 with H&R -30 mm springs, if you want to keep it simple and easy. If your mechanic knows how to adjust Koni Sports dampers, I have them with H&R springs and they're great.
Are these the right things i'm looking for? and which one?
http://www.awesomegti.com/car/vw/golfmk5/superpro-anti-lift-kit-mk5-mk6-golf-jetta-a3-s3-8p-leon-mk2-octavia-mk2
http://www.awesomegti.com/whiteline-anti-lift-kit-golf-mk5-mk6-kca316-walk
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Yes, those are ALK. I'd choose the one from SuperPro. I have it in both my Golfs. The online feedback is that the SuperPro is more resistant to damage over time. There are a few cases of broken bushes from Whiteline especially from people who track their cars.
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Yes, those are ALK. I'd choose the one from SuperPro. I have it in both my Golfs. The online feedback is that the SuperPro is more resistant to damage over time. There are a few cases of broken bushes from Whiteline especially from people who track their cars.
Ok Brill! Just to check, is this the complete set and there isn't anything else to buy?
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Yes, those are ALK. I'd choose the one from SuperPro. I have it in both my Golfs. The online feedback is that the SuperPro is more resistant to damage over time. There are a few cases of broken bushes from Whiteline especially from people who track their cars.
Ok Brill! Just to check, is this the complete set and there isn't anything else to buy?
If you want the car to feel really tight you'll like polyurethane bushes (I think SuperPro makes the best but Powerflex is good too and a bit cheaper). You'll lose comfort if you fit polyurethane bushes, so keep that in mind as well.
The ALK will only replace one of the front suspension control arm bushes, but it's the most important and the ride comfort isn't that much affected.
You can fit a front and rear bush kit but for road use and if you like comfort I'd just replace the OEM bushes.
Here you have all the polyurethane bushes for your Edition 30: http://www.superpro.com.au/find/superpro-bushing-vehicle-kit-for-a-superpro-suspension-parts-and-poly-bushings-for-vw-golf-mk-5-typ-1k1-fwd-2003-2009-/productnr-KIT5238K/cid-999500629/vid- (http://www.superpro.com.au/find/superpro-bushing-vehicle-kit-for-a-superpro-suspension-parts-and-poly-bushings-for-vw-golf-mk-5-typ-1k1-fwd-2003-2009-/productnr-KIT5238K/cid-999500629/vid-)
From Awesome GTI: http://www.awesomegti.com/superpro-f-r-front-and-rear-suspension-bush-kit-for-normal-road-use-a3-8p-2wd-quattro-s3-cabriolet (http://www.awesomegti.com/superpro-f-r-front-and-rear-suspension-bush-kit-for-normal-road-use-a3-8p-2wd-quattro-s3-cabriolet)
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All I've done to my manual ED30:-
Remap to 1.4 bar (0.9 is standard). All this 'stage x' is just marketing speak. It's just upping the boost pressure at the end of the day.
Helix clutch & new DMF
WALK
Just those 3 things have given me a daily usable 320hp car that has all the ride quality and refinement of the standard car, win win :smiley:
Next year I will be doing a chassis refresh to OEM spec. New dampers & bushes all round to get it back to a new as possible feel. I think sometimes people forget how good these cars were when new. I went out in a GTI recently that was lowered and big brakes, big exhaust, all of it. It was bloody awful. Getting back into mine again was a breath of fresh air.
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All I've done to my manual ED30:-
Remap to 1.4 bar (0.9 is standard). All this 'stage x' is just marketing speak. It's just upping the boost pressure at the end of the day.
Helix clutch & new DMF
WALK
Just those 3 things have given me a daily usable 320hp car that has all the ride quality and refinement of the standard car, win win :smiley:
Next year I will be doing a chassis refresh to OEM spec. New dampers & bushes all round to get it back to a new as possible feel. I think sometimes people forget how good these cars were when new. I went out in a GTI recently that was lowered and big brakes, big exhaust, all of it. It was bloody awful. Getting back into mine again was a breath of fresh air.
I'd like to hear your opinion after you tried mine. Unfortunately I'm too far for it to happen easily. I think mine is a better daily driver than the OEM spec. I've done it 1st to my GT Sport, I just had to go up a notch for the Ed. 30. :smiley:
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Haven't got the money to replace all the bushes on the car at the moment, on the MOT is was both lower arm bushes that were worn on the front suspension. Could i just buy these for now? Sorry about being so clueless on the subject! With it being my first car to work on i'm still learning when it comes to stuff like suspension :ashamed:
http://www.awesomegti.com/car/vw/golfmk5/superpro-anti-lift-kit-mk5-mk6-golf-jetta-a3-s3-8p-leon-mk2-octavia-mk2
Yeh my plan was to keep my car pretty standard when i brought it but after having it a few months i've started to feel a little bit used to it and i want that same feeling again like when i first drove it! & i thought whilst i'm young and living with the parents still so i don't have much to pay out for i might aswell go for it ! :grin:
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The SALK will replace the more easily worn lower control arm bushes.
The others are these:
http://www.awesomegti.com/car/vw/golfmk5/superpro-f-control-arm-inner-front-bush-kit-a3-8p-2wd-quattro-s3-cabriolet (http://www.awesomegti.com/car/vw/golfmk5/superpro-f-control-arm-inner-front-bush-kit-a3-8p-2wd-quattro-s3-cabriolet)
http://www.awesomegti.com/superpro-front-camber-adjustable-ball-joints-mk5-mk6-golf-jetta-a3-s3-8p-leon-mk2-octavia-mk2 (http://www.awesomegti.com/superpro-front-camber-adjustable-ball-joints-mk5-mk6-golf-jetta-a3-s3-8p-leon-mk2-octavia-mk2)
You can consider just replacing with OEM ball joints if needed. I'm considering replacing my OEM ball joints for the SuperPro version in the future.
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@ED30Girl (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14059)
Get hold of @vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981) regarding the Superpro bushes.
I've just ordered the full set for the rear from them, £335.00 for the lot. 14 bushes in total.
They quoted me £175.00 to replace the whole front end bushes (does not include Superpro ALK). Which I will be buying when funds allow.
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Thanks Guys ! Yeh i'll get intouch with him and find out. I rang awesomegti earlier and they said just buy the SALK as that was all that was worn on my MOT.
Thanks
:happy2:
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Just replace the front bottom arm rear console bushs as you mentioned and get the tracking checked also,will make a difference
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Just replace the front bottom arm rear console bushs as you mentioned and get the tracking checked also,will make a difference
Yeh exactly what i think ill do, thanks! :smiley:
Thinking of fitting some H&R Springs aswell, am i best getting these done together and then the alignment aswell?
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All I've done to my manual ED30:-
Remap to 1.4 bar (0.9 is standard). All this 'stage x' is just marketing speak. It's just upping the boost pressure at the end of the day.
Helix clutch & new DMF
WALK
Just those 3 things have given me a daily usable 320hp car that has all the ride quality and refinement of the standard car, win win :smiley:
Next year I will be doing a chassis refresh to OEM spec. New dampers & bushes all round to get it back to a new as possible feel. I think sometimes people forget how good these cars were when new. I went out in a GTI recently that was lowered and big brakes, big exhaust, all of it. It was bloody awful. Getting back into mine again was a breath of fresh air.
I'd like to hear your opinion after you tried mine. Unfortunately I'm too far for it to happen easily. I think mine is a better daily driver than the OEM spec. I've done it 1st to my GT Sport, I just had to go up a notch for the Ed. 30. :smiley:
Would love to try one with all the nice quality bits. Not sure what this car had on it but it was crashy, droney, too much intake and turbo noise and felt a fair bit slower than mine off boost.
What suspension have you got on yours? Instead of refreshing all the OEM stuff, I was considering the Ohlins Track & Road setup but it's a lot of money to sink into an unknown entity. At least with the standard stuff I know where I stand, and quite like it too :smiley:
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All I've done to my manual ED30:-
Remap to 1.4 bar (0.9 is standard). All this 'stage x' is just marketing speak. It's just upping the boost pressure at the end of the day.
Helix clutch & new DMF
WALK
Just those 3 things have given me a daily usable 320hp car that has all the ride quality and refinement of the standard car, win win :smiley:
Next year I will be doing a chassis refresh to OEM spec. New dampers & bushes all round to get it back to a new as possible feel. I think sometimes people forget how good these cars were when new. I went out in a GTI recently that was lowered and big brakes, big exhaust, all of it. It was bloody awful. Getting back into mine again was a breath of fresh air.
I'd like to hear your opinion after you tried mine. Unfortunately I'm too far for it to happen easily. I think mine is a better daily driver than the OEM spec. I've done it 1st to my GT Sport, I just had to go up a notch for the Ed. 30. :smiley:
Would love to try one with all the nice quality bits. Not sure what this car had on it but it was crashy, droney, too much intake and turbo noise and felt a fair bit slower than mine off boost.
What suspension have you got on yours? Instead of refreshing all the OEM stuff, I was considering the Ohlins Track & Road setup but it's a lot of money to sink into an unknown entity. At least with the standard stuff I know where I stand, and quite like it too :smiley:
I kept the OEM airbox, so no intake noise and I have a BCS Powervalve TBE Prestige system with 200 cell cat, so no drone and just great exhaust sound when on boost and pushing the engine.
If you like the height of your ride I'd recommend Koni FSD (the kit 2100-4001 is for normal Golfs so not as harsh as the kit 2100-4090 for GTIs) and Eibach Pro-Kit springs, that I've fitted in my GT Sport with the same sway bars as the GTI.
In my Ed. 30 I've fitted Koni Sports, H&R -30 mm (29176-1) and H&R front and rear sway bars (33258-1) 26/22 mm. The suspension was setup by my mechanic to be able to take bumps without being too harsh. The car can make fast turns really well and has a lot more grip than before with OEM shocks and Eibach Sportlines, that made the ride too bumpy over small to moderate road creases.
I'd love to get those coilovers for my Golfs too, but I've spent a lot less and I'm happy with the way they are at the moment. I hate harsh rides. :wink:
Koni FSD (kit 2100-4001): 539,50 € (local shop)
Eibach Pro-Kit: 135 € (ebay.de.)
GTI rear sway bar: 65 € (ebay.co.uk)
SALK: 250 € (ebay.co.uk)
Koni Sports (8710-1431; 80-2859): 464,40 € (local shop)
H&R (29176-1) -30 mm: 189,90 € (ebay.de.)
H&R sway bars (33258-1): 433,06 € (local shop)
SALK: 222,26 € (local shop)
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Thanks for that mate, appreciate it.
I've had Koni Yellows and H&R springs in previous VWs (MK2s and a Corrado) and they were really good at medium to high speeds, but a bit harsh on rubbish roads at slower speeds. Very nice dampers those Konis though, but I had leaking fronts a few times. Not a massive deal because of the lifetime warranty, but still a pain getting them replaced. I hope the quality has improved since! Maybe the spring rate of the H&Rs was a bit aggressive.
I am mega picky with suspension and the standard setup can be harsh enough at times with 18s. I've read the Ohlins kit has special valving to soak up the harshness, which sounds cool, but big bucks! Are the Konis sports a shortened damper? Could I use them with standard springs?
I was toying with going up a size on rear arb only actually, so glad you mentioned those. A bigger rear one definitely gives the car a tighter turn-in! Do they sell them separately?
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Thanks for that mate, appreciate it.
I've had Koni Yellows and H&R springs in previous VWs (MK2s and a Corrado) and they were really good at medium to high speeds, but a bit harsh on rubbish roads at slower speeds. Very nice dampers those Konis though, but I had leaking fronts a few times. Not a massive deal because of the lifetime warranty, but still a pain getting them replaced. I hope the quality has improved since! Maybe the spring rate of the H&Rs was a bit aggressive.
I am mega picky with suspension and the standard setup can be harsh enough at times with 18s. I've read the Ohlins kit has special valving to soak up the harshness, which sounds cool, but big bucks! Are the Konis sports a shortened damper? Could I use them with standard springs?
I was toying with going up a size on rear arb only actually, so glad you mentioned those. A bigger rear one definitely gives the car a tighter turn-in! Do they sell them separately?
I don't know how the Konis handled back then. These are taking well the small bumps at slow speed, but they had to be adjusted or they can be harsh for what my mechanic told me.
The Koni Sports are shortened dampers but the brand states that you can only lower the ride up to -35 mm. The Koni Sport Kit that includes an H&R spring can lower the ride up to 40 mm. You leave it stock if you want.
Personally I think Eibach Pro-Kits are better in every aspect comparing to OEM springs and they don't lower a GTI more than 5-10 mm. Koni FSD go very well with them and the ride is more comfortable on bad surfaces. Try to test them. For me they are great for a family car, not just for fast road driving (for that the Koni Sports are superior).
You can buy just an H&R RARB if you ask AKS Tuning, for example. Not every seller can separate the kits. You can also consider other brands (Whiteline, Neuspeed, Autotech, etc.) but I like the H&R ARB bushes with their Teflon that avoids squeaking noises.