MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: fireblade51 on January 30, 2016, 10:44:40 pm

Title: stage3+
Post by: fireblade51 on January 30, 2016, 10:44:40 pm
Hi new to the forum, put a deposit down on a mk5 apr stage 3+ today supposedly running 480bhp and 465lb torque,  loads of reciepts for work done  but no real proof of bhp as dyno graphs were inconclusive, going to pick it up next saturday so long as it all checks out, the guy i'm buying it of is going to get Matt at VWR and someone from apr to phone me,to confirm all work was done by them as some invoices were missing for some of the major work ie , cnc head from apr and lower block work from apr, with these mods listed would it make the power its claimed to be, SPEC OF ENGINE , brand new CNC machined head from APR including  reconditioned engine block and lower end from APR, miltek turbo back exhaust, APR exhaust manifold,  APR fsi injectors,  APR low pressure fsi fuel pump, APR  high pressure fuel pump, APR intake manifold runner flap delete, APR intercooler, APRcamshafts ,APR cast exhaust downturn and downpipe,  Garrett gt2871r turbocharger, APR STAGE 3 air intake, Wossner pistons,  APR connecting rods, VWR clutch,  VWR limited slip, VWR short shift ,VWR big brake kit, wide bell 6 pots, VWR streetsport coilovers, and loads of other handling bits, been in to modified mini's for close on ten years running beetween 270 and 290 bhp, and have got to say this GOLF was in a different leauge, but just thought theese turbos were only good for 400 max so just a few concerns about the claim on bhp and torque,
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: Madone on January 31, 2016, 08:37:16 am
Seems odd with the amount he spent to achieve big bhp there isn't conclusive evidence by way of the mapping which must have been done ?, non of that hardware will work without a good map, so quite why that is missing sounds very odd. Maybe it didn't make the power and makes much less hence he's not sharing the plots ?. I would say you want to put it on the rollers use to check it runs safety etc before you handover the cash. If it all checks out, happy days. Something doesn't add up though. Apr etc calling you just means the HW was sold to him, doesn't mean it's still on the car now, maybe he removed some bits and turned the power down etc. Awesome GTI are Apr dealer, get them to give it a look over and check on the rollers
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: Hedge on January 31, 2016, 09:00:24 am
Sounds similar to the spec Dan had on his Leon and I don't remember seeing that dyno'd beginning with a 4.  :confused:
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: bigeyd on January 31, 2016, 09:01:13 am
A phone call is no good,when you sell it on are you going to ask him to ring up potential buyers ? I cannot think of any reason why you would not dyno a car after all that work to get it to stage 3
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: r5gtt on January 31, 2016, 10:50:31 am
walk away as the seller sounds dodgy already. 
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: rich83 on January 31, 2016, 11:13:16 am
gt28.... 480BHP.... that doesnt seem quite right to me.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: vRSAlex on January 31, 2016, 12:00:53 pm
The older 2871 is good for 400 on the TFSi.  Can see 450 with the GTX2867.

Imo that Golf is way overpriced.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: rich83 on January 31, 2016, 12:10:22 pm
HOw much?
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: vRSAlex on January 31, 2016, 12:16:12 pm
Around 18k iirc.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: rich83 on January 31, 2016, 12:17:20 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0NgI7nD.gif&hash=21a6052559a589c8ee23fb89daa878102b1948f0)
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: r5gtt on January 31, 2016, 12:45:57 pm
I'd buy myself an Audi RS for that money  :stupid:

Get him to get copies of the receipts from where he had the work done as I'm sure they've got a record of it all?. :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: dansmith180 on January 31, 2016, 02:49:50 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0NgI7nD.gif&hash=21a6052559a589c8ee23fb89daa878102b1948f0)

PMSL  :laugh:  :laugh:

That's a tonne of money and any car with that much work should definitely have dyno graphs, I can show you exactly how much mine is running and the boost plots etc.... So something like this should have a literal tonne of paperwork to prove it is what he says it is.

Sorry to burst your bubble but none of us want to see you get stung for that much money and end up with a lemon  :drinking:
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: oisinc on January 31, 2016, 03:02:03 pm
wow! thats a sh*t ton of money for a mk5. Is it a Ed 30 or a Pirelli even?
Id be inclined to head towards an Audi RS as R5GTT says.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: AJP on January 31, 2016, 03:18:13 pm
Got to agree. It's too much. And where's the fun in buying a car that's already tuned up to the hilt? If it's even what it says it is.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: Chris92 on January 31, 2016, 03:21:49 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0NgI7nD.gif&hash=21a6052559a589c8ee23fb89daa878102b1948f0)

Quality that  :signLOL:  :signLOL:

Any links to this car? Got to say I wouldn't pay 18k either could get many of fast/newer cars for that.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: Madone on January 31, 2016, 03:22:08 pm
Wow that's expensive !, how do people know the price, is it online somewhere ?
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: mvb12 on January 31, 2016, 03:32:51 pm
Someone really going to buy a mk5 for 18k  :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:

Don't care what they've done to it.... no way  :signLOL:
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: fireblade51 on January 31, 2016, 03:40:59 pm
not sure where the 18k come from, £12500 ono
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: r5gtt on January 31, 2016, 03:55:11 pm
Someone really going to buy a mk5 for 18k  :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:

Don't care what they've done to it.... no way  :signLOL:
:stupid: :signLOL:
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: mvb12 on January 31, 2016, 03:57:30 pm
Where is this car posted?


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Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: r5gtt on January 31, 2016, 04:10:12 pm
^^^ anyone?.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: fish on January 31, 2016, 05:24:28 pm
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/volkswagen/golf-gti-mk5-mk6/volkswagen-golf-mk5-gti-------------------2005/5119853?v=b

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Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: mvb12 on January 31, 2016, 05:28:44 pm
Was the price adjusted


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Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: r5gtt on January 31, 2016, 05:34:09 pm
One thing that pisses me off is that there are no engine bay pictures or any other such mod pictures  :stupid:
You are selling a car so least you can do is show your engine bay  :mad:
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: Madone on January 31, 2016, 07:47:30 pm
One thing that pisses me off is that there are no engine bay pictures or any other such mod pictures  :stupid:
You are selling a car so least you can do is show your engine bay  :mad:

That prob speaks volumes, there is doubt over the mods based on claimed power and to not have a single engine bay shot when best part of 20k has been spent on upgrades makes it sound even more suspect. Best not to buy this I would say.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: r5gtt on January 31, 2016, 08:34:58 pm
One thing that pisses me off is that there are no engine bay pictures or any other such mod pictures  :stupid:
You are selling a car so least you can do is show your engine bay  :mad:

That prob speaks volumes, there is doubt over the mods based on claimed power and to not have a single engine bay shot when best part of 20k has been spent on upgrades makes it sound even more suspect. Best not to buy this I would say.
I totally agree but the OP has left a deposit and now asking about it  :confused:
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: Madone on January 31, 2016, 08:50:32 pm
One thing that pisses me off is that there are no engine bay pictures or any other such mod pictures  :stupid:
You are selling a car so least you can do is show your engine bay  :mad:

That prob speaks volumes, there is doubt over the mods based on claimed power and to not have a single engine bay shot when best part of 20k has been spent on upgrades makes it sound even more suspect. Best not to buy this I would say.
I totally agree but the OP has left a deposit and now asking about it  :confused:

Ooops  :scared:
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: Chris92 on January 31, 2016, 08:53:35 pm
Surely if this was all as it's says it would have a engine bay picture! It's not like mr average who wants a gti will look at this kind of thing, it's has got to more of a enthusiast so surely you would think I'd have a picture on of the engine. End of the day the engine bay department is the reason why you would buy it, if not plenty of basic gti's kicking about so you wouldn't even consider this.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: r5gtt on January 31, 2016, 09:07:32 pm
One thing that pisses me off is that there are no engine bay pictures or any other such mod pictures  :stupid:
You are selling a car so least you can do is show your engine bay  :mad:

That prob speaks volumes, there is doubt over the mods based on claimed power and to not have a single engine bay shot when best part of 20k has been spent on upgrades makes it sound even more suspect. Best not to buy this I would say.
I totally agree but the OP has left a deposit and now asking about it  :confused:

Ooops  :scared:
I know that's just being  :stupid:
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: r5gtt on January 31, 2016, 09:11:20 pm
Surely if this was all as it's says it would have a engine bay picture! It's not like mr average who wants a gti will look at this kind of thing, it's has got to more of a enthusiast so surely you would think I'd have a picture on of the engine. End of the day the engine bay department is the reason why you would buy it, if not plenty of basic gti's kicking about so you wouldn't even consider this.
When I look for a car to buy I always say why the F doesn't the seller put an engine picture up or is it that vulgar he's worried someone won't want it if they see the bay?.

I've sold my car's with bay pictures as this shows you how maintained the seller had kept it.

My sold tt engine bay before selling or cleaning it up in the forsale add would be like this :smiley:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1374.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag433%2FSandy1786%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F20150622_081719.jpg&hash=20cbc7a3ca2db2fb69fbc2b51bef7cd38bc947b9)
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: fireblade51 on January 31, 2016, 09:30:42 pm
to be honest i dont think money was an object for him, he just got carried away, not even on any forums and never showed it, only in VOLKSWAGON DRIVER AUG 2013, if it is what it says is it worth the money, agreed a price well less than the asking price, and got a reciept for refundable deposit if it dont check out.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: fireblade51 on January 31, 2016, 09:58:03 pm
Thanks for advice guys, spoke to the seller today to voice concerns about car, he's already contacted Matt at VWR, and he is going to source all invoices for work done by wednesday at latest, matt told him some had been sent by email, and i  have now had theese sent to me , over £17k so far with more to come, apparently he bought it brand after passing Doctors exams and never kept paperwork as he was only going to mod it lightly, then as things progressed he spoke to APR AND VWR, who used it as a bit of a  development  car, and he never got some of the data and invoices because they were done at cost, which are now being sorted by Matt .It did have a fsh with most done at stealers and vwr when work was done, he has also found a dyno when it was running 391 bhp which i will post on monday,more work has been done since apparently which is why its  running 480bhp and 460lb torque, he said it could be taken to vwr or any garage of choice to verify work claimed, and be put on a dyno, seems legit but you never know, if it is what he said is, is it worth the money as i paid well less than the asking price. Also it was featured in Volkswagon Driver mag aug 2013 where it was tested at the top gear track by some le mans driver doing 170mph hes also sending me this video, will order this back addition now and take a look, i'm still a little unsure but he seems legit.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: fireblade51 on January 31, 2016, 10:10:49 pm
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Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: fireblade51 on January 31, 2016, 10:12:33 pm
then there was a stage 3 + upgrade, will post receipts when i get the rest
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: r5gtt on February 01, 2016, 01:00:43 am
Get him to book it into a roller and see the power for yourself if he's not bothered about the money  :happy2:
I still wouldn't pay that kind of money for a golf but if you wanting the power then get it all checked out and good luck.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: oisinc on February 01, 2016, 01:12:58 am
That's starting to look a bit better. I'd say go for it.
If you agreed less than 12.5k for it then happy days. Buy it, enjoy it and don't be worried about resale.
Get the rest of the documents/invoices and bring it to a RR to get its current BHP/torque
I want a spin for all my advice though. lol
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: rich83 on February 01, 2016, 01:25:30 am
You cannot add all the labour and mod prices on top of the car price and come out with the price of the car. Doesn't work like that.
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: Shoduchi on February 01, 2016, 01:37:09 am
You cannot add all the labour and mod prices on top of the car price and come out with the price of the car. Doesn't work like that.
If it was like that, it would be awesome for everyone who modifies their cars. :signLOL:
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: Andy on February 01, 2016, 02:36:53 am
to be honest i dont think money was an object for him, he just got carried away, not even on any forums and never showed it, only in VOLKSWAGON DRIVER AUG 2013, if it is what it says is it worth the money, agreed a price well less than the asking price, and got a reciept for refundable deposit if it dont check out.

its on the cover
http://www.autometrix.co.uk/volkswagen/contents/2013/Aug2013.html

http://www.ukvehicle.com/CA05UHH/
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: Andy on February 02, 2016, 11:36:58 pm
Or this one

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi212.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc20%2Fmaxitrol%2FScreenshot_2016-02-02-23-31-10_zpsldz8zm2g.png&hash=42e0487fc260e53062e42a98fbf1119b3ef4b86e) (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/maxitrol/media/Screenshot_2016-02-02-23-31-10_zpsldz8zm2g.png.html)
Title: Re: stage3+
Post by: r5gtt on February 02, 2016, 11:46:42 pm
Tidy car hope the new owner is going to love it  :jumping: