Post by: bluo on February 01, 2016, 09:17:55 am
What are your thoughts on this?
Post by: fab5freddy on February 01, 2016, 10:18:01 am
Post by: bluo on February 01, 2016, 10:36:24 am
Traction is first thing that springs to mind..... You AWD?
Planning the build at the moment - awd is part of it.
Topic is turbo buddy, would like to keep it that way :-)
Post by: fab5freddy on February 01, 2016, 10:48:49 am
Sounds exciting, you could always upgrade your downpipe to a 3.5 from Bcs if needed also :driver:
Post by: bluo on February 01, 2016, 12:48:37 pm
Post by: KieranM on February 03, 2016, 09:32:33 am
Post by: bluo on February 03, 2016, 10:06:59 am
You can fit a GTX30 in the stock location so you should manage a GTX29 but you obviously need a new manifold. Would you not need a new downpipe or modify your current one to use a v-band clamp?
Here's the turbo in question with stock...
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-290&Category_Code=FSI
Post by: bluo on February 22, 2016, 01:05:32 pm
Post by: rich83 on February 22, 2016, 02:54:08 pm
Post by: bluo on February 22, 2016, 05:55:50 pm
Why not go down the Nortech kit route?
Trying to see if there is any advantage cost wise in using 'bolt' on bits instead of a custom tubular mani and downpipe.
Currently running a 90mm bcs downpipe so want to bolt on a big turbo.
Post by: KieranM on February 23, 2016, 10:34:13 am
How much power are you hoping for?
Post by: rich83 on February 23, 2016, 10:42:19 am
Why not go down the Nortech kit route?
Trying to see if there is any advantage cost wise in using 'bolt' on bits instead of a custom tubular mani and downpipe.
Currently running a 90mm bcs downpipe so want to bolt on a big turbo.
GTX2976R Is just a cast aftermarket manifold. More likely to run into problems with a cast mani than a proper tubular one.
Nortech is still OEM location
Post by: bluo on February 23, 2016, 10:43:17 am
I think theses 29 turbos are fairly new and there isn't many people running them so you might struggle to find some info on them. I do remember someone speaking about them on TFSI Tuning fb page.
How much power are you hoping for?
It appears that way...
I was originally looking at going with a LO4xx turbo and around 450bph but if a stock location turbo is available that'll go right up to 500+ then that may be the way to go?
Post by: bluo on February 23, 2016, 10:52:32 am
Why not go down the Nortech kit route?
Trying to see if there is any advantage cost wise in using 'bolt' on bits instead of a custom tubular mani and downpipe.
Currently running a 90mm bcs downpipe so want to bolt on a big turbo.
GTX2976R Is just a cast aftermarket manifold. More likely to run into problems with a cast mani than a proper tubular one.
Nortech is still OEM location
What sort of problems?
Post by: bluo on February 23, 2016, 10:53:24 am
Why not go down the Nortech kit route?
Trying to see if there is any advantage cost wise in using 'bolt' on bits instead of a custom tubular mani and downpipe.
Currently running a 90mm bcs downpipe so want to bolt on a big turbo.
GTX2976R Is just a cast aftermarket manifold. More likely to run into problems with a cast mani than a proper tubular one.
Nortech is still OEM location
You say Nortech is stock location, is that final position of turbo meaning I can maintain the downpipe?
Post by: rich83 on February 23, 2016, 10:55:54 am
With the Nortech you'd have to alter the dp.
Have you thought about the tte420?probably cheaper than the 28 and tested to 420bhp
Post by: KieranM on February 23, 2016, 11:26:38 am
Post by: bluo on February 23, 2016, 12:11:30 pm
Originally looking at the Loba LO4xx turbo as Statllers have had fantastic results at 475hp...
Post by: KieranM on February 23, 2016, 03:09:26 pm
Yes I've just started research in the tte420 so need to get up to speed with that.I'm not clued up on the Loba turbo but that seems like very high figures if it's only a k04 hybrid. I know someone running it and they were struggling to get above 400 on a fully forged ED30
Originally looking at the Loba LO4xx turbo as Statllers have had fantastic results at 475hp...
Post by: AJP on February 23, 2016, 03:31:20 pm
He's been there and done the lot.
Post by: bluo on February 23, 2016, 07:52:56 pm
Yes I've just started research in the tte420 so need to get up to speed with that.I'm not clued up on the Loba turbo but that seems like very high figures if it's only a k04 hybrid. I know someone running it and they were struggling to get above 400 on a fully forged ED30
Originally looking at the Loba LO4xx turbo as Statllers have had fantastic results at 475hp...
I think that figure was with WMI and race fuel.
Post by: bluo on February 24, 2016, 07:52:50 pm
Post by: rich83 on February 24, 2016, 07:54:11 pm
Post by: pudding on February 25, 2016, 02:33:47 pm
Aftermarket cast manifolds are notorious for cracking. Not always but it's a risk IMO.
Yep. Been there, done that. ATP is cheap Chinese crap sold from America. One of their VR6 turbo manifolds warped on me. Had to modify it and then get it skimmed. Waste of time and money.
I'd only stick to top quality brands like Loba imo. Buy cheap, buy twice.
Post by: bluo on February 25, 2016, 03:54:53 pm
Aftermarket cast manifolds are notorious for cracking. Not always but it's a risk IMO.
Yep. Been there, done that. ATP is cheap Chinese crap sold from America. One of their VR6 turbo manifolds warped on me. Had to modify it and then get it skimmed. Waste of time and money.
I'd only stick to top quality brands like Loba imo. Buy cheap, buy twice.
That's what I thought - there's no info on who makes them and getting in contact with them has been useless.
The Loba 4xx and tte is a lot of money so I'm weighing up whether I stick with my K04 or upgrade and whether the gains are significant enough to justify around a £1500 spend - thoughts?
Post by: rich83 on February 25, 2016, 04:00:52 pm
Post by: bluo on February 25, 2016, 04:25:38 pm
Post by: KieranM on February 25, 2016, 04:34:20 pm
Post by: bluo on February 25, 2016, 04:45:37 pm
You could get 420 from a TTE or maybe 430 if you went all out, or you could get a GTX28 and run a tubular manifold and easily have 450. The TTE420 is the easiest and cheapest route though
Think I'll go down that route- trying to avoid a tubular mani. Thanks
Post by: xjay1337 on February 25, 2016, 04:47:43 pm
For the cost it's the best thing and so far has been reliable and repeatable results with good efforts from Rtech and other tuners with them.
Post by: Orc on February 25, 2016, 06:51:58 pm
You could get 420 from a TTE or maybe 430 if you went all out, or you could get a GTX28 and run a tubular manifold and easily have 450. The TTE420 is the easiest and cheapest route thoughDepends on your spec my friend, my tte420 is already been at 460hp, and we are still playing with the fuelling. :happy2:
Post by: AJP on February 25, 2016, 06:57:49 pm
I'd go with a nice consistent usable 420 with the TTE tbh.Agree.
For the cost it's the best thing and so far has been reliable and repeatable results with good efforts from Rtech and other tuners with them.
Most TTE420 graphs I've seen have a much nicer low-mid torque curve than balls-out big turbo jobs, maybe at the expense of a bit of top end. Got to be a nicer feel on the throttle.
Post by: bluo on February 25, 2016, 07:47:59 pm
You could get 420 from a TTE or maybe 430 if you went all out, or you could get a GTX28 and run a tubular manifold and easily have 450. The TTE420 is the easiest and cheapest route thoughDepends on your spec my friend, my tte420 is already been at 460hp, and we are still playing with the fuelling. :happy2:
Is that pump fuel or race fuel?
Post by: xjay1337 on February 26, 2016, 01:01:43 am
Post by: bluo on February 26, 2016, 08:00:37 am
Post by: bluo on February 26, 2016, 08:01:09 am
There's a GTX2768 turbo kit on TFSI fb group atm.
I don't use FB bud - thanks anyway.
Post by: xjay1337 on February 26, 2016, 09:48:03 am
Post by: Orc on February 26, 2016, 03:46:44 pm
You could get 420 from a TTE or maybe 430 if you went all out, or you could get a GTX28 and run a tubular manifold and easily have 450. The TTE420 is the easiest and cheapest route thoughDepends on your spec my friend, my tte420 is already been at 460hp, and we are still playing with the fuelling. :happy2:
normal tesco 99 mate, its all about the build not just turbo limiting numbers. :happy2:
Is that pump fuel or race fuel?
Post by: bluo on February 26, 2016, 04:11:59 pm
You could get 420 from a TTE or maybe 430 if you went all out, or you could get a GTX28 and run a tubular manifold and easily have 450. The TTE420 is the easiest and cheapest route thoughDepends on your spec my friend, my tte420 is already been at 460hp, and we are still playing with the fuelling. :happy2:
normal tesco 99 mate, its all about the build not just turbo limiting numbers. :happy2:
Is that pump fuel or race fuel?
Have you got a build thread or details?
Post by: Orc on February 26, 2016, 04:23:59 pm
No unfortunately not sorry, i tend to keep myself to myself about my car, and enjoy the element of surprise at track days etc. I did a build thread many years ago and had my old mk2 golf in PVW and even that was just a ball ache.You could get 420 from a TTE or maybe 430 if you went all out, or you could get a GTX28 and run a tubular manifold and easily have 450. The TTE420 is the easiest and cheapest route thoughDepends on your spec my friend, my tte420 is already been at 460hp, and we are still playing with the fuelling. :happy2:
normal tesco 99 mate, its all about the build not just turbo limiting numbers. :happy2:
Is that pump fuel or race fuel?
Have you got a build thread or details?
Post by: bluo on February 26, 2016, 08:11:30 pm
No unfortunately not sorry, i tend to keep myself to myself about my car, and enjoy the element of surprise at track days etc. I did a build thread many years ago and had my old mk2 golf in PVW and even that was just a ball ache.You could get 420 from a TTE or maybe 430 if you went all out, or you could get a GTX28 and run a tubular manifold and easily have 450. The TTE420 is the easiest and cheapest route thoughDepends on your spec my friend, my tte420 is already been at 460hp, and we are still playing with the fuelling. :happy2:
normal tesco 99 mate, its all about the build not just turbo limiting numbers. :happy2:
Is that pump fuel or race fuel?
Have you got a build thread or details?
Fair enough.
Post by: pudding on February 29, 2016, 04:25:30 pm
Aftermarket cast manifolds are notorious for cracking. Not always but it's a risk IMO.
Yep. Been there, done that. ATP is cheap Chinese crap sold from America. One of their VR6 turbo manifolds warped on me. Had to modify it and then get it skimmed. Waste of time and money.
I'd only stick to top quality brands like Loba imo. Buy cheap, buy twice.
That's what I thought - there's no info on who makes them and getting in contact with them has been useless.
The Loba 4xx and tte is a lot of money so I'm weighing up whether I stick with my K04 or upgrade and whether the gains are significant enough to justify around a £1500 spend - thoughts?
I haven't dabbled with TFSI turbo upgrades yet. Turboing old VWs like VR6s is more my thing, but I reckon the TTE420 will give good results and being an OEM+ upgrade, it will bolt up nicely and be reliable. If you want 500+ you could look at something like a GTX3071R which will hit hard up top and not be too laggy. It will need some custom work though.
Thing is though, those ball bearing Garretts can be gearbox breakers. Not so much in FWD applications as a lot of the excess power spins away harmlessly, but in 4WD applications, the drivetrain gets a hammering as the power can't go anywhere. Something usually breaks in the end. 3rd/4th gear shaft likes to spread apart when pushing big torque because the bearing carriers in the gearbox's end case are weak, and then gear teeth strip off. It happens gradually though, just a lot quicker when pushing 400lbft+ torque.
When I was turboing my VR6, I kept the torque within the range of what the gearbox could handle, but then again it was a daily so reliability was important!
Post by: AJP on February 29, 2016, 05:26:39 pm
I'm nowhere near big turbo levels, but as you know I now need an uprated clutch as a result of squeezing more boost out of my little k03. And it got me thinking - what's the next weak link in the chain for me? Being a BWA it'd be rods. But then what? Will I really wake up one day and think "I'm happy with xxxbhp, no more power"? Hmmm.
We can keep uprating parts to cope as we go for more and more power, but as we do that it only makes another component the new weak link, rather than eventually getting to the point where the whole drivetrain and engine is bulletproof. And it comes to a point where driveshafts are failing, or boxes, like you say.
It's hard to know where to draw the line, and when to realise things are getting silly. I think I'll end up sticking to my long term plan of a k03 hybrid at a modest 320ish bhp. Keep the k03 response, stay within the limits of a usable uprated clutch, and hopefully not stress the rods too much.
But anyway, good post mate
Post by: pudding on March 01, 2016, 09:41:44 am
It's pretty much the CVs and then the gearbox which are the next weak links after the clutch. The gears themselves are very strong but it's the casing which isn't, but only if you push things too far :smiley:
My ED30 is around 320hp and it's frankly ridiculous in the wet and cold :grin: I've destroyed my F1s pretty quickly. I don't think many tyres other than racing slicks will put the power down, but they will put a lot more stress back into the gearbox!
Post by: bluo on March 02, 2016, 10:18:40 pm
Do I need to upgrade the intank fuel pump?
Post by: Orc on March 03, 2016, 05:42:36 pm
Post by: bluo on March 03, 2016, 05:55:07 pm
Yes you will do.
Thanks.
Will I require different injectors to S3?
Post by: Orc on March 03, 2016, 06:56:53 pm