Post by: Daled0111 on February 05, 2016, 10:42:05 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi65.tinypic.com%2F256e06v.jpg&hash=f15d6a9c8dda2a1027f119332f19698eb203ba63)
my friend has welded the holes up and we was thinking about leaving the bracket off
would it do any damage if we was to leave it off
if it would anybody know what to do because the original ones are monkey metal (crap metal)
so is there a braket i can buy to weld on
any help is appreciated
Post by: rich83 on February 05, 2016, 10:45:59 pm
Post by: Daled0111 on February 05, 2016, 10:49:48 pm
I am guessing the wall of that exhaust is very thin hence it ripping a hole in it. why not get him to weld the bracket back on too?
because it will just do it again
Post by: rich83 on February 05, 2016, 10:51:39 pm
Post by: r5gtt on February 05, 2016, 10:57:08 pm
Post by: Daled0111 on February 05, 2016, 11:05:07 pm
Could that have been caused by not having a poly dog mount bush for reinforcement?.
i have a stock dog mount bush
i have heard about the bushes
so if i was to change the dog mount bush and reweld this back on then it shouldn't do it again
Post by: rich83 on February 05, 2016, 11:09:57 pm
Post by: r5gtt on February 05, 2016, 11:31:32 pm
I would definitely recommend getting one fitted as this will stop the play in the downpipe bracket and hopefully prevent future breaking :happy2:Could that have been caused by not having a poly dog mount bush for reinforcement?.
i have a stock dog mount bush
i have heard about the bushes
so if i was to change the dog mount bush and reweld this back on then it shouldn't do it again
Post by: Powervalve Nige on February 06, 2016, 10:43:30 am
Winds me up :sick: when I see these pipes touted off flee bay at 'make me an offer' prices knowing that there's going to be pain down the road for genuine lads trying to tune on a budget...
Rant over :mad:
Post by: r5gtt on February 06, 2016, 12:24:49 pm
12mm mild steel bar welded to 1.5mm wall stainless with two chewing gum spots against the torque flow... mmm that'll work, let me guess the flex is 4.00" long as well.Nige if your systems and cat backs pipes erc were cheap enough then I'm sure we'd all have a pop at them :grin:
Winds me up :sick: when I see these pipes touted off flee bay at 'make me an offer' prices knowing that there's going to be pain down the road for genuine lads trying to tune on a budget...
Rant over :mad:
Best thing to do in with those cheap ebay stuff is to get them welded over for extra strength before fitting.
Post by: Beej on February 07, 2016, 09:39:31 am
I don't normally pep up when there is an issue on forums, but I disagree with this. Powervalve systems are priced well I think, considering the quality in build, fitment, sound and service.12mm mild steel bar welded to 1.5mm wall stainless with two chewing gum spots against the torque flow... mmm that'll work, let me guess the flex is 4.00" long as well.Nige if your systems and cat backs pipes erc were cheap enough then I'm sure we'd all have a pop at them :grin:
Winds me up :sick: when I see these pipes touted off flee bay at 'make me an offer' prices knowing that there's going to be pain down the road for genuine lads trying to tune on a budget...
Rant over :mad:
Best thing to do in with those cheap ebay stuff is to get them welded over for extra strength before fitting.
I hummed and hawed about whether to save and spend the money, but I can honestly say it was well worth it.
Also, as Nige is actively on the forum (and others I'm presuming), he takes on board any feedback and helps out in any way he can.
But even more so, the proofs in the pudding with the performance gains on his systems, just speak with a few top custom tuners who have had a few cars running their systems and comparing them back to back with others around the same price, and I can assure you they will tell you to put your money into the bcs/powervalve systems.
That's me! Sorry if I have offended anyone, rant over.
Post by: r5gtt on February 07, 2016, 12:58:23 pm
Hi, I'm sure they're very good as this isn't what is shocking EDITED AS I'M BEING SILLYI don't normally pep up when there is an issue on forums, but I disagree with this. Powervalve systems are priced well I think, considering the quality in build, fitment, sound and service.12mm mild steel bar welded to 1.5mm wall stainless with two chewing gum spots against the torque flow... mmm that'll work, let me guess the flex is 4.00" long as well.Nige if your systems and cat backs pipes etc were cheap enough then I'm sure we'd all have a pop at them :grin:
Winds me up :sick: when I see these pipes touted off flee bay at 'make me an offer' prices knowing that there's going to be pain down the road for genuine lads trying to tune on a budget...
Rant over :mad:
Best thing to do in with those cheap ebay stuff is to get them welded over for extra strength before fitting.
I hummed and hawed about whether to save and spend the money, but I can honestly say it was well worth it.
Also, as Nige is actively on the forum (and others I'm presuming), he takes on board any feedback and helps out in any way he can.
But even more so, the proofs in the pudding with the performance gains on his systems, just speak with a few top custom tuners who have had a few cars running their systems and comparing them back to back with others around the same price, and I can assure you they will tell you to put your money into the bcs/powervalve systems.
That's me! Sorry if I have offended anyone, rant over.
but that's a lot of money for a few pieces of stainless steel IMHO.
I like modding cars too but paying 1500 for an exhaust system is ridiculously expensive. I recall these prices back in 1995 when I started reading fast car and max power mags. Not for the :booty: lol for the escort rs rieger I fell in love with :ashamed: :signLOL:
Anyone buying cheap fleebay buy it now or make me an offer for it should well know why it's so cheap and cannot really complain if things go bump IMHO :happy2:I bough a bidding cat back 2.75inch exhaust system for £137 from toofast2cool and it wasn't to my liking due to the tip ends being slightly hammered although weld was really good and sent it back for a full refund but wish I hadn't now :stupid: as it was cheap. :signLOL:
Post by: oisinc on February 07, 2016, 10:58:05 pm
Best have a re-read and then perhaps edit that post :happy2:
Post by: r5gtt on February 07, 2016, 11:02:58 pm
@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) Thats not what Nige is saying at all..Okay I'm going back to the post now :ashamed:
Best have a re-read and then perhaps edit that post :happy2:
All done and apologies. :drinking:
Post by: oisinc on February 08, 2016, 01:06:39 am
Post by: r5gtt on February 08, 2016, 01:22:12 am
I'd settle for the lovely milltek as I've used the brand before and can't complain about the lovely note of the non res :rolleye: :driver:
Post by: samiul11 on February 08, 2016, 09:17:09 am
Post by: r5gtt on February 08, 2016, 10:50:18 am
You need to hear how a powervalve sounds if you think milltek is lovely :rolleye:Not for that price brother :rolleye: :laugh:
Post by: AJP on February 08, 2016, 12:06:56 pm
You're making it sound like Milltek are loads cheaper, when in reality there's not much in it.You need to hear how a powervalve sounds if you think milltek is lovely :rolleye:Not for that price brother :rolleye:
Post by: r5gtt on February 08, 2016, 12:43:08 pm
Price for the milltek which I used previously for another car would be best suit my budget and there's quite a lot in the pricing tbh. £860 turbo back which I think for a new system is very reasonable and if I found a used one then all the better. BCS are well over priced IMHO and that's what I believe.You're making it sound like Milltek are loads cheaper, when in reality there's not much in it.You need to hear how a powervalve sounds if you think milltek is lovely :rolleye:Not for that price brother :rolleye:
Not having a pop but fact is fact. those 1200-1500 prices should now be abolished as we're living in the 21st century where there are many other brands to chose from.
Post by: AJP on February 08, 2016, 02:22:32 pm
As for "1200-1500 prices" here's what an equivalent Milltek to the BCS I'm having fitted on Wednesday actually costs in the real world...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F16%2F02%2F08%2F04aac322d58e64e5465eb0d61a94daac.jpg&hash=7bcf1f05433596dc524c6ba6c6cfd21f443959f8)
Oh, and guess what? I'm paying LESS than that for the BCS.
Post by: r5gtt on February 08, 2016, 02:55:03 pm
If you actually compare systems you'll see there's not much in it. A BCS with a simple de-cat pipe and basic cat back would also be around £850-900.Less than what exactly?. oh and
As for "1200-1500 prices" here's what an equivalent Milltek to the BCS I'm having fitted on Wednesday actually costs in the real world...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F16%2F02%2F08%2F04aac322d58e64e5465eb0d61a94daac.jpg&hash=7bcf1f05433596dc524c6ba6c6cfd21f443959f8)
Oh, and guess what? I'm paying LESS than that for the BCS.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1374.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag433%2FSandy1786%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2FScreenshot_2016-02-08-14-53-38.png&hash=22daefad760bbefe21e543140228f0b067b01a33)
Post by: Powervalve Nige on February 08, 2016, 03:32:21 pm
I guess I just felt disappointed for the OP having to deal with something that he hadn't anticipated.
With regard to systems generally I'm really grateful for all of the support that the members on here give us and appreciate that we have no divine right to this market section and as such would never actually try and dissuade anyone from buying an alternative brand as all my customers will bear out - and that's with the full knowledge that the contrary does occur in respect to the practises of other companies who may try and steer potential customers away from us - as has been confirmed to me.
Suffice to say that all I ask is the time to share in real terms why I think our products deserve consideration, from anyone wishing to discuss their options on a direct basis.
You're all great guys with lets face it a great car :congrats:
cheers
Nige
Post by: r5gtt on February 08, 2016, 04:06:14 pm
Post by: AJP on February 08, 2016, 04:35:03 pm
Less than £1323.54 - the price of the equivalent Milltek, shown clearly in the image.If you actually compare systems you'll see there's not much in it. A BCS with a simple de-cat pipe and basic cat back would also be around £850-900.Less than what exactly?. oh and
As for "1200-1500 prices" here's what an equivalent Milltek to the BCS I'm having fitted on Wednesday actually costs in the real world...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F16%2F02%2F08%2F04aac322d58e64e5465eb0d61a94daac.jpg&hash=7bcf1f05433596dc524c6ba6c6cfd21f443959f8)
Oh, and guess what? I'm paying LESS than that for the BCS.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1374.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag433%2FSandy1786%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2FScreenshot_2016-02-08-14-53-38.png&hash=22daefad760bbefe21e543140228f0b067b01a33)
And here's the equivalent BCS to the Milltek you've just posted up:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F16%2F02%2F08%2F8ff15fcc1fd3629ca2e8127fa0394709.jpg&hash=111cb6b90b5994203149b418da6a3d6b3f30d443)
Not much difference, like I keep saying.
It seems Milltek are better priced for basic exhausts and BCS are better priced for higher-end exhausts.
It's certainly not the huge difference in price you're inferring. And I'll say it again, Milltek are MORE EXPENSIVE than BCS for a setup with a sport cat, R32 style, resonated.
You can ignore that all you want, but not only does it disprove your argument, it completely blows it out of the water.
It's a bit silly arguing over exhausts, but I won't be told I'm wrong and roll over if I'm right. It's a matter of principle.
Post by: r5gtt on February 08, 2016, 05:20:01 pm
The only person that seems to be arguing is you as imerely pointing out that bcs powervalve systems are way too expensive.Less than £1323.54 - the price of the equivalent Milltek, shown clearly in the image.If you actually compare systems you'll see there's not much in it. A BCS with a simple de-cat pipe and basic cat back would also be around £850-900.Less than what exactly?. oh and
As for "1200-1500 prices" here's what an equivalent Milltek to the BCS I'm having fitted on Wednesday actually costs in the real world...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F16%2F02%2F08%2F04aac322d58e64e5465eb0d61a94daac.jpg&hash=7bcf1f05433596dc524c6ba6c6cfd21f443959f8)
Oh, and guess what? I'm paying LESS than that for the BCS.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1374.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag433%2FSandy1786%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2FScreenshot_2016-02-08-14-53-38.png&hash=22daefad760bbefe21e543140228f0b067b01a33)
And here's the equivalent BCS to the Milltek you've just posted up:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F16%2F02%2F08%2F8ff15fcc1fd3629ca2e8127fa0394709.jpg&hash=111cb6b90b5994203149b418da6a3d6b3f30d443)
Not much difference, like I keep saying.
It seems Milltek are better priced for basic exhausts and BCS are better priced for higher-end exhausts.
It's certainly not the huge difference in price you're inferring. And I'll say it again, Milltek are MORE EXPENSIVE than BCS for a setup with a sport cat, R32 style, resonated.
You can ignore that all you want, but not only does it disprove your argument, it completely blows it out of the water.
It's a bit silly arguing over exhausts, but I won't be told I'm wrong and roll over if I'm right. It's a matter of principle.
I dont see anywhere on the powervalve site where they state £850 to 900.
Maybe some of us don't want a sports cat due to restrictions on flow or is that something you're not bothered about?.
For me I prefer a milltek as it's a good price and for what it is I'd be happy with it where as you prefer a bcs set up as "Nige no offence buddy" giving you a huge discount as it's already priced way too high in the first place or how would anyone get such a huge discount. As I said it's probably a great piece of kit but when seeing such a high price on the website that's overly priced IMHO and then such a huge reduction is given I'd say that's the whole reason to put a mega price on it and make buyers think wow what a reduction in price I'll have one for the golf.
Not a rant but MHO
Post by: AJP on February 08, 2016, 05:23:33 pm
Post by: r5gtt on February 08, 2016, 05:31:02 pm
You stick to what you know then pal, sounds like you've got it all sussed out:smiley:
Post by: Powervalve Nige on February 08, 2016, 06:03:08 pm
Our best selling system is the full 3.0" turbo back Powervalve variable tone boost actuated system featuring the ALL stainless steel construction downpipe and oversized 200 cell Motorsport cat with a Euro 5 (...yes Euro 5 40 grm precious metal wash coat).
Price to forum members here is £1482.05 inc VAT
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FVW%2FVW_Powervalve_Systems%2FGolfGTiandEd30fullTBEsystem_zpsce3f6df7.jpg&hash=74928555ae404b7d5ef22d48268ac21f1dbad155)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FVW%2FComparison_with_Milltek%2F_DSC0194_zps0yqg8wrm.jpg&hash=46800fe40e7494504cd3228b558bb0a6a0fbcc45)
The technology employed is proprietary and gives the owner the benefit effectively of having two systems in one when compared to our equivalent full time non Powervalve 3.0" system which sells for £1084.05 (...for reference terms this is the system that has to be compared to other brands as it employs the same functionality - albeit different to the layout of other brands).
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fnigeblueflame%2FVW%2FGolf_GTi_Prestige_Cat_zpsa6xo4rzi.jpg&hash=62a5b253ca673ad84f85e1c868030a45e8f4d793)
For us it's not about being over or underpriced it's about choice which we are well known for, and furthermore having the flexibility to sub divide our systems into Prestige and Sports variants, and even further - full customisation of the front silencer.
Now, as we all know anything produced on a scale of a single unit such as the Powervalve has a greater unit cost of production over a volume manufactured product, hence the product does carry a premium. However, something that is often overlooked is the fact that as with any premium product there is generally higher value retention should the need ever come to sell on the product when an owner determines it is no longer required.
We loosely call the difference between the cost of purchase and the cost of resale - the 'hire fee' for owning one of our systems. Generally there will be a high demand and therefore a decent return at this point.
The wonderful thing about a free market is that we all have the right to choice, and as long as we are satisfied that we have made the right choice for us then all's well that ends well.
The only maxim really is do your research - work out your budget and go for it.
...but remember buyer's remorse is a terrible and lonely emotion. :happy2:
Post by: bluebert92 on February 08, 2016, 06:20:54 pm
:drinking:
Post by: r5gtt on February 08, 2016, 06:46:27 pm
Nige the powervalve sounds awesome from what you've pointed out above and I hope I've not offended you in any way as some seem to think otherwise hence trying to bite my head off :scared: for being HIMO.
Thanks
R5
Post by: AJP on February 08, 2016, 06:49:04 pm
I love rich tea :drool: but do understand where both you and Nige are coming from. I'm just a cheap skate and like the milltek as that's what I'm used to :signLOL:It was only a nibble..
Nige the powervalve sounds awesome from what you've pointed out above and I hope I've not offended you in any way as some seem to think otherwise hence trying to bite my head off :scared: for being HIMO.
Thanks
R5
Post by: r5gtt on February 08, 2016, 06:52:59 pm
Greedy :fighting2: :grouphug:I love rich tea :drool: but do understand where both you and Nige are coming from. I'm just a cheap skate and like the milltek as that's what I'm used to :signLOL:It was only a nibble..
Nige the powervalve sounds awesome from what you've pointed out above and I hope I've not offended you in any way as some seem to think otherwise hence trying to bite my head off :scared: for being HIMO.
Thanks
R5
Post by: Beej on February 09, 2016, 10:04:27 am
Post by: Powervalve Nige on February 09, 2016, 11:41:19 am
This is a great friendly forum and long may it continue - now where's the bourbons ? :grin:
Post by: r5gtt on February 09, 2016, 11:55:41 am
Apologies for my earlier post if it offended anyone also, I just felt I had to express my opinion and experience, as I felt it was a bit of a dig, but it's all resolved now!:drinking:
Absolutely no offence taken whatsoever...Another one of my favorite biscuits :popcornsoda:
This is a great friendly forum and long may it continue - now where's the bourbons ? :grin: