Post by: JamieBiz on March 01, 2016, 11:16:07 am
I've just had a call back from AM cars in Ilminster (Audi/VW Specialist) and have been quoted £1325.00 for a whole turbo/manifold and oil feed change.
Does anyone know if thats about right? i think he said it was 675.00 + VAT for the Turbo about 5 hours labor all in
Cheers
Post by: FJ1000 on March 01, 2016, 11:53:13 am
I have no idea if that is a good price or not, but have you considered using the opportunity to upgrade the turbo?
Out of interest, what mileage is the car and was it remapped?
Post by: JamieBiz on March 01, 2016, 12:01:45 pm
looks like it will be coming off the road for a few months while i get all the parts together :sick:
Post by: Pesky jones on March 01, 2016, 12:31:12 pm
its got 69000 miles and no, its not re mapped. its got a set of twin take's on but thats it. I've thought about KO4 but i tbh i cant afford this amount so i doubt thats a possibility.
looks like it will be coming off the road for a few months while i get all the parts together :sick:
I'm in a similar position - except I need I think I need a new engine :sad1: know the feeling
Post by: JamieBiz on March 01, 2016, 12:38:05 pm
Post by: JamieBiz on March 01, 2016, 12:41:13 pm
Post by: slix on March 01, 2016, 01:04:51 pm
Have you considered a second hand turbo off the same model or k04? As long as there is no play in the turbo it should last you a while and be a shed load cheaper.
Post by: JamieBiz on March 01, 2016, 01:19:16 pm
Sorry to hear. Cars can be a ball ache at times.
Have you considered a second hand turbo off the same model or k04? As long as there is no play in the turbo it should last you a while and be a shed load cheaper.
I'm going to look into a few options, i certainly cant afford to pay that right out. i would like to put a new one on though, just for peace of mind and re sale value when i come to sell it.
I'm wondering if i could buy an engine of similar mileage for less than that... but i end up on the conclusion that it will just let me down!
Post by: slix on March 01, 2016, 01:26:06 pm
Or maybe look into getting yours refurbished? Not sure if that would be as cheap as first option though.
Post by: JamieBiz on March 01, 2016, 01:27:31 pm
Post by: pudding on March 01, 2016, 03:58:25 pm
I'm sure they can rebuild yours for a lot less than £1300! They used to charge about £350+VAT to rebuild a K04 off a 1.8T back in the day. Not sure what their pricing is on the TFSI flavour tho.
Post by: JamieBiz on March 01, 2016, 04:34:48 pm
Post by: pudding on March 01, 2016, 04:42:29 pm
Maybe fault code it to look for turbo over-speeding faults. That can happen if there's a boost leak. Could also be oil feed problems but it's hard to say for sure without seeing the car.
Post by: Ricky123 on March 01, 2016, 04:51:37 pm
My neighbours 07 gti is on 158k has been remapped for the past 40k of that and is still on its original turbo!
As for price then I'd look at a good second hand turbo and then possibly fit it your self? It's not a big job on a mk5.
Post by: CarlW on March 01, 2016, 08:11:32 pm
Post by: StuF on March 01, 2016, 08:26:54 pm
Mine is sat on 175k and touch wood everything is still working as well as it came out of the factory so yours sounds like a very premature failure
Have they diagnosed a reason for the failure? Frequent oil changes and serviced according to the schedule?
Post by: slix on March 01, 2016, 09:33:44 pm
Was the car driven hard? Was it left to idle before turning the engine off after a hard run? And warmed up before having a razz?
Post by: Chris92 on March 01, 2016, 09:56:49 pm
Post by: JamieBiz on March 02, 2016, 09:03:27 am
Post by: JamieBiz on March 02, 2016, 11:22:24 am
Any help will much appreciated because im sh*te at buying the correct parts!
Post by: Dan_FR on March 02, 2016, 11:52:45 am
Given your situation you would be much better off with a used K03 replacement which will cost you a couple of hundred quid plus fitting, oil change etc.
Has the car had a hard life, booted from cold, poor service regime etc.? 69K isn't a lot for one of these turbos as has already been said.
Post by: JamieBiz on March 02, 2016, 11:59:21 am
You'll need a fair few bits to go with it, the turbo intake pipe (needs a take-off for the DV return), turbo outlet pipe, throttle pipe, the DV flange and all of its associated pipework, extending wiring for the DV in order to relocate it etc.
Given your situation you would be much better off with a used K03 replacement which will cost you a couple of hundred quid plus fitting, oil change etc.
Has the car had a hard life, booted from cold, poor service regime etc.? 69K isn't a lot for one of these turbos as has already been said.
No mate, the cars mint. i bought it from a VW salesman and its always had a lot of money spent on it. Full VW service history etc
Ive looked after it in the 6 months ive had it too, it was only serviced 4 weeks ago.... just so annoying.
looking at the ko4 i think its quite a lot of money and hassle that i dont need right now. so ill probably end up with a new ko3 and keep it standard.
Post by: Ricky123 on March 02, 2016, 12:33:16 pm
I'd try and diagnose why the turbo has gone before anything.
I'd then go with a used k03 if you just want to be back on the road as there are quite a lot of parts involved and more work if you were to fit a k04 and then it would also need mapping.
You should be able to get a good used k03 for around £200, you'll be better of with one of them over a cheaply made new unit (there's a lot of them around)
It's not a hard job of your mechanically minded and we're going to fit it yourself
Post by: JamieBiz on March 02, 2016, 12:46:10 pm
There's a lot that could cause the premature turbo failure. It may have even had a fault that developed in assembly and has only just given up now.
I'd try and diagnose why the turbo has gone before anything.
I'd then go with a used k03 if you just want to be back on the road as there are quite a lot of parts involved and more work if you were to fit a k04 and then it would also need mapping.
You should be able to get a good used k03 for around £200, you'll be better of with one of them over a cheaply made new unit (there's a lot of them around)
It's not a hard job of your mechanically minded and we're going to fit it yourself
Thanks mate,
The garage its in at the moment said they recommend a new turbo & manifold, oil feed pipe and load of other parts.
the turbo is £675 +VAT for a 'decent' one.
Perhaps ill settle for a decent second hand ko3 and get my mate to fit it then.
anything to look for when buying a second hand turbo? and should i buy one with the manifold?
Post by: Dan_FR on March 02, 2016, 12:52:03 pm
Usual things to check, mileage and service history if available, visual inspection, make sure there are no cracks etc., check shaft for excessive play
You'll want to clean out the boost pipes if they have blown oil through (depending on severity of the failure) and I really would look to establish the cause of failure, oil starvation is a possibility and would quickly kill another turbo etc.
Post by: JamieBiz on March 02, 2016, 01:07:05 pm
They all come with the manifold, it forms part of the hot side of the turbo
Usual things to check, mileage and service history if available, visual inspection, make sure there are no cracks etc., check shaft for excessive play
You'll want to clean out the boost pipes if they have blown oil through (depending on severity of the failure) and I really would look to establish the cause of failure, oil starvation is a possibility and would quickly kill another turbo etc.
Cheers Dan,
I'm hoping someone on here will have one for sale in the next few weeks.
What about reconditioned turbos? are they more money than theyre worth?
Post by: Dan_FR on March 02, 2016, 01:53:37 pm
I personally couldn't recommend a reconditioned one and would much rather have a K03 from someone who has removed it due to accident damage or due to going the K04 route etc.
Post by: littco on March 02, 2016, 02:10:35 pm
Second hand units go for about £200 on ebay but you take your chance on how good it will be.
K04's are not a straight forward fit but a good upgrade.
Nothing wrong with a recon or refurbed unit as long as it comes from a good source and many of the parts used IE bearings from some companies are better than the original the replace, add in billet compressor wheels etc and you can have a much better turbo than the ones they replace...
Post by: samiul11 on March 02, 2016, 03:50:12 pm
Post by: JamieBiz on March 03, 2016, 09:51:41 am
When i asked what the CAUSE was they told me 'the bearings went'. now, I'm no mechanic so correct me if I'm wrong, but that isnt a CAUSE & I'm pretty sure if the car hasn't even been up on the ramps they cant be sure that the bearings have gone?? i understand that all things are pointing in that direction and i dont disagree with that. i just dont like the lazy approach to diagnosing this, especially when they're talking about £1400 of my money that, i dont actually have right now.
they're now going to take the turbo off on Friday morning and will expect £1400 from me if a new turbo is required (they are certain that one in needed)
Does anything think that this could be anything else?
Post by: Dan_FR on March 03, 2016, 10:28:46 am
£1400 is an obscene amount of money considering an upgraded hybrid item from BBT is only £800ish to buy outright.
Post by: JamieBiz on March 03, 2016, 11:51:21 am
I'm the unluckiest person in the world with cars, Paid through the teeth for this low mileage Gti and this it what i get... always the same lol :sick:
Post by: john87 on March 03, 2016, 12:15:17 pm
My last two used VW purchases have, and was extremely glad as my R32 ended up needing a new Haldex :scared:
Post by: JamieBiz on March 03, 2016, 12:16:46 pm
Post by: JamieBiz on March 03, 2016, 06:09:04 pm
I asked the garage to whip Turbo off and then we'll go from there, I just got off the phone with them and it turns out the cat had broken up and blocked the exchaust which in turn stopped the boost and made the turbo whine like it did
So I just need to bang a sports exchaust on a bit quicker than intended, probably just delete the pre cat and chuck a sports cat on it actually, my loud chavvy days are over! Lol :laugh:
I'm sure there's a moral to this story somewhere....
Post by: pudding on March 04, 2016, 12:10:35 pm
Has your car been over-fuelling do you know? That's usually what kills a cat off prematurely.
Post by: JamieBiz on March 04, 2016, 12:17:08 pm
Post by: Dan_FR on March 04, 2016, 01:18:12 pm
Don't see or hear of the cat breaking up and blocking the exhaust on these very often.
Post by: JamieBiz on March 04, 2016, 02:33:55 pm
such a relief! ill now be going on holiday next week as originally planned :driver:
Post by: Ricky123 on March 04, 2016, 09:03:34 pm
Looks like another person has had the same problem too. Wonder what the cause of it is :confused:
Post by: SiofChester on March 05, 2016, 09:50:24 am
Very good news, but also need to understand how it happened.
Don't see or hear of the cat breaking up and blocking the exhaust on these very often.
Happened on mine, 05 plate, got a rattle at first start up. Good excuse for a downpipe
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Post by: Berry on March 05, 2016, 10:32:29 am
Plus you probably get the benefit of a few more horses as a result now :wink:
It worries me though that some garages are evidently too quick to jump the gun and want charge you £££ for a new turbo and fitting on a bit of an educated guess.
Well avoided, and excellent result.
Although you've got me a bit worried now, mine can sound slightly rattly on cold start up but I just assumed it was a heat sheald.
Post by: JamieBiz on March 15, 2016, 09:02:48 am
Great news mate, relieved for ya!
Plus you probably get the benefit of a few more horses as a result now :wink:
It worries me though that some garages are evidently too quick to jump the gun and want charge you £££ for a new turbo and fitting on a bit of an educated guess.
Well avoided, and excellent result.
Although you've got me a bit worried now, mine can sound slightly rattly on cold start up but I just assumed it was a heat sheald.
They were useless mate! after i found out what the issue was i said lets get it sorted and while your under the car, can you bash the pre-cat out for me...? he said yes and ill see you tomorrow........... SHWEET
So Obviously didn't do it. he said that would have took more time and money... WOW, no sh*t!
Anyway, i definitely dodged a bullet there, for the time being i got them to cut the guts out of the cat and weld it up. ill get round to buying a full system sometime soon.
The rattle definitely sounded like a heat shield to start with, but i only heard it when coasting in gear and coming down the revs for bout 70/80 miles until it blocked. the funny thing was they said the bit of cat they took out was WAY to big to block the pipe up. they were baffled by that but when they tested it it worked, so threw the car back at me!
i also made use of the guys there and had the follower changed while it was with them (i have the hardline version and dont own any spline bits)
Its definitely worth taking a look at the cat if that rattle, I hope thats all it is too as its a lot cheaper than a turbo!!
Post by: JamieBiz on March 15, 2016, 09:10:53 am
Very good news, but also need to understand how it happened.
Don't see or hear of the cat breaking up and blocking the exhaust on these very often.
The only thing i can really see is that its been dropped or been hit by something underneath, i asked to see the bit they took out but had already binned it before i got there.
Post by: Andy on March 15, 2016, 09:57:23 am