MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: glasgowdubber on March 01, 2016, 04:59:01 pm
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Not had this GTi long, 05 plate, 75k miles, all serviced through VW. Notice when going into reverse it doesn't seem to "bite" straight away and can sometimes jolt back, is this a sign the DSG clutch is on its way out?
Only owned a 15 plate A3 S-tronic before, so not sure how long these clutches are meant to last etc?
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I wouldn't say so mate. Mine first done this when I bought it. I found out that the DSG box gets used to how the person drives it.
I have mine reset on VAGCOM and was a little bit jerky to start but after a few miles of me driving it the way I wanted to it started to smoothen out.
I got told this was the best thing to do aswell as a service on the box when I first got it by a VW specialist
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Mine was exactly the same when i bought it - full DSG reset via Vagcom, new fluid & filters and its silky smooth. Tried a work coleagues car recently and his is jerky as hell! He has to put the car in neutral first before putting it in reverse - that seems to smooth his out a little, but he has no idea what Vagcom is!
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Appreciate the replies guys, that's put my mind at ease! It is due for its DSG oil change, and also due a full service, I'll maybe see if someone can do the DSG reset then while I'm getting this done. Didn't even know that was possible!
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Tell me more about this DSG reset. We just got a CC and would like to do the reset on it.
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You just need someone with vcds. The instructions are in the diy sticky section.
Ive done mine twice in the 1 and half years of owning it. Always makes a difference
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Not a fan of doing needless resets. The last time I did mine it made no difference. The DSG constantly learns your driving style, it's fuzzy logic.
This is a good read: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5989734-How-to-Play-The-DSG-Game-and-Win-DSG-Driving-Tips-and-Tricks
The best thing to smoothen uptake of the clutch is to wait for the clutches to bite themselves (if you're not on an incline). Basically, let your foot off the brake and wait for it to creep. If you're on an incline, keep the throttle position constant, don't suddenly back off and then on again. It just confuses the gearbox. Stay consistent so it knows what you want.
The clutches will likely last the lifetime of the car, as they are bathed in oil (less heat = less wear) and user error is virtually removed.
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Not a fan of doing needless resets. The last time I did mine it made no difference. The DSG constantly learns your driving style, it's fuzzy logic.
This is a good read: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5989734-How-to-Play-The-DSG-Game-and-Win-DSG-Driving-Tips-and-Tricks
The best thing to smoothen uptake of the clutch is to wait for the clutches to bite themselves (if you're not on an incline). Basically, let your foot off the brake and wait for it to creep. If you're on an incline, keep the throttle position constant, don't suddenly back off and then on again. It just confuses the gearbox. Stay consistent so it knows what you want.
The clutches will likely last the lifetime of the car, as they are bathed in oil (less heat = less wear) and user error is virtually removed.
The link is useful and you can help the gearbox by not giving it confusing throttle inputs etc.
however to be clear there is no fuzzy logic and the dsg does not learn your driving style at all.
it's important not to overthink it too much. it's just a semi auto gearbox at the end of the day :)
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Not a fan of doing needless resets. The last time I did mine it made no difference. The DSG constantly learns your driving style, it's fuzzy logic.
This is a good read: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5989734-How-to-Play-The-DSG-Game-and-Win-DSG-Driving-Tips-and-Tricks
The best thing to smoothen uptake of the clutch is to wait for the clutches to bite themselves (if you're not on an incline). Basically, let your foot off the brake and wait for it to creep. If you're on an incline, keep the throttle position constant, don't suddenly back off and then on again. It just confuses the gearbox. Stay consistent so it knows what you want.
The clutches will likely last the lifetime of the car, as they are bathed in oil (less heat = less wear) and user error is virtually removed.
The link is useful and you can help the gearbox by not giving it confusing throttle inputs etc.
however to be clear there is no fuzzy logic and the dsg does not learn your driving style at all.
it's important not to overthink it too much. it's just a semi auto gearbox at the end of the day :)
I've found that treating it like an auto is not ideal. It doesn't behave like an auto with a torque converter.
Re the fuzzy logic on the DSG, after some reading, I think you have a point. But it's a contentious issue. Some say it exists (including some knowledgable folks on here), some say it doesn't. To a certain extent, it has to exist to adapt the clutches at a mechanical level. In my experience, it does exist and adapts to your driving :happy2:
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You can treat it however you like but it doesn't justify the clunk and I'd say check your mounting and dog bone bushes.
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Just an update on this, had the DSG oil and filter service done today, literally a different car. I'm almost certain the diverter valve is needing replaced, but it's genuinely 100 times better than it was, so much smoother.
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Ah that's excellent news. get your DV checked as it's a known failure point losing boost and I think mine has gone too but no time to check it as get home from work too late and weekends are awfully wet.
Maybe this weekend.
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Just to add to this that I agree that the DSG seems to adapt to how you drive it.
When I first got mine it seemed to be forever wanting to change down on a dual carriageway at the slightest prod of the accelerator, got quite annoying really.
Now it's happy to pull in 6th unless I really give the pedal a good press.
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Ah that's excellent news. get your DV checked as it's a known failure point losing boost and I think mine has gone too but no time to check it as get home from work too late and weekends are awfully wet.
Maybe this weekend.
That is on my list of things to do, I spent an hour last night going through all the receipts from the previous owner, it's definitely never been done, however the other problem valve has been just back in September which is good news.
Theres a definite lack of boost on the car, makes a lot of noise, but doesn't really seem to go.
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Ah that's excellent news. get your DV checked as it's a known failure point losing boost and I think mine has gone too but no time to check it as get home from work too late and weekends are awfully wet.
Maybe this weekend.
That is on my list of things to do, I spent an hour last night going through all the receipts from the previous owner, it's definitely never been done, however the other problem valve has been just back in September which is good news.
Theres a definite lack of boost on the car, makes a lot of noise, but doesn't really seem to go.
I have many things on my to do list but no time or daylight hours to do them.
Yes definitely check the dv as this is the weakest link with our cars.
You're lucky you have many receipts as I had one from the crook trader who sold me the car saying yes they have receipts and I'll get copies which I had to fight for over a month to get. wish someone :slap: them for me.
noise?. whooshing, fluttering?
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Ah that's excellent news. get your DV checked as it's a known failure point losing boost and I think mine has gone too but no time to check it as get home from work too late and weekends are awfully wet.
Maybe this weekend.
That is on my list of things to do, I spent an hour last night going through all the receipts from the previous owner, it's definitely never been done, however the other problem valve has been just back in September which is good news.
Theres a definite lack of boost on the car, makes a lot of noise, but doesn't really seem to go.
I have many things on my to do list but no time or daylight hours to do them.
Yes definitely check the dv as this is the weakest link with our cars.
You're lucky you have many receipts as I had one from the crook trader who sold me the car saying yes they have receipts and I'll get copies which I had to fight for over a month to get. wish someone :slap: them for me.
noise?. whooshing, fluttering?
Theres a lot of grunt from the engine, there isn't the tell tale whooshing, but just doesn't seem to be pulling the way my other GTis did, however when I do lift off even at slow pace I can hear the whoosh which is making me think it is the diverter valve.
The car was MOT'd by the garage I bought it from on 9th December, I put the car in yesterday for the DSG Oil change, and this is a list of things wrong.
Aircon, Brake Fluid & FT Due £99.00
(O/S/F) CV Boot £173.79
Wheel Alignment £75.00
Service Due £159.00
Front Wipers £32.98
(N/S/R) Wheel Bearing £233.72
Brake Pads (Rear) £150.79
Engine Coolent Leak (Pressure Test) £49.50
(O/S/R) Suspension Broken £156.82
Suspension Split 2 Front Arm RR Bushes £330.58
Engine Cover & Airbox Insecure
Also attached the link for the video if anyone fancies a look, theres no way anyone is going to tell me the car wasn't like that in December when it was MOT'd. https://www.arnoldclarkcarpreview.com/vt802GgLLCp
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It's gone to a main dealer. They will find anything wrong with it.
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If you only bought it Dec 9th it should be under warranty
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Ah that's excellent news. get your DV checked as it's a known failure point losing boost and I think mine has gone too but no time to check it as get home from work too late and weekends are awfully wet.
Maybe this weekend.
That is on my list of things to do, I spent an hour last night going through all the receipts from the previous owner, it's definitely never been done, however the other problem valve has been just back in September which is good news.
Theres a definite lack of boost on the car, makes a lot of noise, but doesn't really seem to go.
I have many things on my to do list but no time or daylight hours to do them.
Yes definitely check the dv as this is the weakest link with our cars.
You're lucky you have many receipts as I had one from the crook trader who sold me the car saying yes they have receipts and I'll get copies which I had to fight for over a month to get. wish someone :slap: them for me.
noise?. whooshing, fluttering?
Theres a lot of grunt from the engine, there isn't the tell tale whooshing, but just doesn't seem to be pulling the way my other GTis did, however when I do lift off even at slow pace I can hear the whoosh which is making me think it is the diverter valve.
The car was MOT'd by the garage I bought it from on 9th December, I put the car in yesterday for the DSG Oil change, and this is a list of things wrong.
Aircon, Brake Fluid & FT Due £99.00
(O/S/F) CV Boot £173.79
Wheel Alignment £75.00
Service Due £159.00
Front Wipers £32.98
(N/S/R) Wheel Bearing £233.72
Brake Pads (Rear) £150.79
Engine Coolent Leak (Pressure Test) £49.50
(O/S/R) Suspension Broken £156.82
Suspension Split 2 Front Arm RR Bushes £330.58
Engine Cover & Airbox Insecure
Also attached the link for the video if anyone fancies a look, theres no way anyone is going to tell me the car wasn't like that in December when it was MOT'd. https://www.arnoldclarkcarpreview.com/vt802GgLLCp
£180 for wipes and rear pads? Really?
You've got to question the rest of the prices...
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Ah that's excellent news. get your DV checked as it's a known failure point losing boost and I think mine has gone too but no time to check it as get home from work too late and weekends are awfully wet.
Maybe this weekend.
That is on my list of things to do, I spent an hour last night going through all the receipts from the previous owner, it's definitely never been done, however the other problem valve has been just back in September which is good news.
Theres a definite lack of boost on the car, makes a lot of noise, but doesn't really seem to go.
I have many things on my to do list but no time or daylight hours to do them.
Yes definitely check the dv as this is the weakest link with our cars.
You're lucky you have many receipts as I had one from the crook trader who sold me the car saying yes they have receipts and I'll get copies which I had to fight for over a month to get. wish someone :slap: them for me.
noise?. whooshing, fluttering?
Theres a lot of grunt from the engine, there isn't the tell tale whooshing, but just doesn't seem to be pulling the way my other GTis did, however when I do lift off even at slow pace I can hear the whoosh which is making me think it is the diverter valve.
The car was MOT'd by the garage I bought it from on 9th December, I put the car in yesterday for the DSG Oil change, and this is a list of things wrong.
Aircon, Brake Fluid & FT Due £99.00
(O/S/F) CV Boot £173.79
Wheel Alignment £75.00
Service Due £159.00
Front Wipers £32.98
(N/S/R) Wheel Bearing £233.72
Brake Pads (Rear) £150.79
Engine Coolent Leak (Pressure Test) £49.50
(O/S/R) Suspension Broken £156.82
Suspension Split 2 Front Arm RR Bushes £330.58
Engine Cover & Airbox Insecure
Also attached the link for the video if anyone fancies a look, theres no way anyone is going to tell me the car wasn't like that in December when it was MOT'd. https://www.arnoldclarkcarpreview.com/vt802GgLLCp
I'm not sure what the MOT checks to be honest. Do you know that these items are checked?
Arnold Clark have the single worst reputation of any car garage I've ever known. I wouldn't let them change a bulb on any car ive ever owned. There must be an decent indy near Glasgow who will be half the price. I really would think twice about letting Arnold Clark do the work.
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Ah that's excellent news. get your DV checked as it's a known failure point losing boost and I think mine has gone too but no time to check it as get home from work too late and weekends are awfully wet.
Maybe this weekend.
That is on my list of things to do, I spent an hour last night going through all the receipts from the previous owner, it's definitely never been done, however the other problem valve has been just back in September which is good news.
Theres a definite lack of boost on the car, makes a lot of noise, but doesn't really seem to go.
I have many things on my to do list but no time or daylight hours to do them.
Yes definitely check the dv as this is the weakest link with our cars.
You're lucky you have many receipts as I had one from the crook trader who sold me the car saying yes they have receipts and I'll get copies which I had to fight for over a month to get. wish someone :slap: them for me.
noise?. whooshing, fluttering?
Theres a lot of grunt from the engine, there isn't the tell tale whooshing, but just doesn't seem to be pulling the way my other GTis did, however when I do lift off even at slow pace I can hear the whoosh which is making me think it is the diverter valve.
The car was MOT'd by the garage I bought it from on 9th December, I put the car in yesterday for the DSG Oil change, and this is a list of things wrong.
Aircon, Brake Fluid & FT Due £99.00
(O/S/F) CV Boot £173.79
Wheel Alignment £75.00
Service Due £159.00
Front Wipers £32.98
(N/S/R) Wheel Bearing £233.72
Brake Pads (Rear) £150.79
Engine Coolent Leak (Pressure Test) £49.50
(O/S/R) Suspension Broken £156.82
Suspension Split 2 Front Arm RR Bushes £330.58
Engine Cover & Airbox Insecure
Also attached the link for the video if anyone fancies a look, theres no way anyone is going to tell me the car wasn't like that in December when it was MOT'd. https://www.arnoldclarkcarpreview.com/vt802GgLLCp
Wow that's a lot of work and even more a :stupid: price quoted. The car was like that when it was MOT'D for sure.
I have to do the same thing at work but we don't go into that much detail as most of it is typed on the Health checks I do.
Wheel alignment GEO every year every car
every year
Air con every 2 years
Air con sanitizer every year
Brake fluid every two years
EDT engine decontamination treatment 3 years and above. f*** sakes all that.
These are what I put down on the health check or I'm in deep poo as the manager is strict on these things.
Your car pads have at least 7mm left on them and I had to at a replay many times as he shot off quick.
I've not read the last replies but did you buy it off a trader?, if so get them to fork out for it.
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Thanks for the replies, I definitely won't be letting Arnold Clark do any of the work, I know a guy at VW parts who sees me right, and my mate is going fit them, but its still going to be looking at a fair few quid to put the car right. The car was listed on ebay, and bought through a garage, anyone know where I stand with this?
The car was MOT'd on the 9th December, I didn't buy it until the 24th December. The garage is based in Leeds, and I'm now up in Glasgow.
As for Arnold Clark, I wouldn't let them do anything on the car, just this had to be done in VW, but even with the video evidence it's a well founded report.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
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If you only bought it Dec 9th it should be under warranty
It was MOT'd 19th December, I didn't buy/collect the car until the 24th December.
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Now collected all the parts from my guy at VW...
(O/S/F) CV Boot
Full Service Kit
(N/S/R) Wheel Bearing
(O/S/R) Suspension Broken
2 x Suspension Split Front Arm RR Bushes
Reg D Valve
Well managed to get all of the above from VW from the guy I deal with for £430 all genuine parts, including a full service kit. Hopefully after this, and the recent DSG oil change, I'll see a massive difference from the car, especially when I suspect the Diverter valve is busted!
Shall update again over the weekend :thinking:
In regards to the DSG in reverse, I tried what people said and not going straight on the accelerator, and let the car find the biting point itself, this is definitely made a world of difference and just shows how I shouldn't have been using the DSG, however I will say after the DSG oil service, a massive difference with the delivery of power.
On a side note, emailed the garage where I bought the car, they didn't MOT the car so are accepting zero liability in terms of the car being at fault! :fighting:
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You want a revision G valve.
Hope the car is better after.
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You want a revision G valve.
Hope the car is better after.
As far as I'm aware, and I have a screenshot from Kerridge, the Rev G is no longer available from VW. The minute you try to put in the part number, it pulls up the Rev D.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff148%2Fquinnyboi%2F12842394_10153467380505036_196909136_o_zpsxxccv73k.jpg&hash=518afab5ba53c898fb1f7bf2be3b599f811d92a1) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/quinnyboi/media/12842394_10153467380505036_196909136_o_zpsxxccv73k.jpg.html)
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You want a revision G valve.
Hope the car is better after.
As far as I'm aware, and I have a screenshot from Kerridge, the Rev G is no longer available from VW. The minute you try to put in the part number, it pulls up the Rev D.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff148%2Fquinnyboi%2F12842394_10153467380505036_196909136_o_zpsxxccv73k.jpg&hash=518afab5ba53c898fb1f7bf2be3b599f811d92a1) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/quinnyboi/media/12842394_10153467380505036_196909136_o_zpsxxccv73k.jpg.html)
Really?! That's kind of a big deal. Mine's only got about 5k on it but I did plan on replacing it every other service, just as a preventative measure.
Did I read that Niki has been testing the GFB valve, or have I imagined that..?
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You want a revision G valve.
Hope the car is better after.
As far as I'm aware, and I have a screenshot from Kerridge, the Rev G is no longer available from VW. The minute you try to put in the part number, it pulls up the Rev D.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff148%2Fquinnyboi%2F12842394_10153467380505036_196909136_o_zpsxxccv73k.jpg&hash=518afab5ba53c898fb1f7bf2be3b599f811d92a1) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/quinnyboi/media/12842394_10153467380505036_196909136_o_zpsxxccv73k.jpg.html)
Really?! That's kind of a big deal. Mine's only got about 5k on it but I did plan on replacing it every other service, just as a preventative measure.
Did I read that Niki has been testing the GFB valve, or have I imagined that..?
I know, I had saw someone else wrote this and thought it was just the dealer, but this is a guy I know personally and have dealt with over the last 8 years, also notice the G is cheaper!
I did see someone was testing a new valve or it was already released.
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Ok so since getting the car in December I have done the following:
DSG Oil & Filter Service
2 x Rear Wheel Bearings
2 x Front Bush
Rear Spring
New Rear Wiper Arm, Assembly, & Wiper
4 x Centre Caps
VW Carpet Matts
CV Boot
2 New Front Tyres
Rev D Valve
Full Service, Plugs & Filters due to be done next week.
Finally the cars mechanically sound as I think it can be, what should be on the list next? Cheaper the better lol
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Cam follower perhaps?.