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Title: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: oak_grun on March 07, 2016, 04:39:09 pm
Hi have tried searching and there seems to be a lot of conflicting posts about fitting ttrs calipers onto an edition 30 retaining the standard wheels so who is running this setup and what was needed to clear the standard alloys.

I'm going stage 2 shortly and seriously need to upgrade the brakes to cope with the extra power.

Also would the nqsbbk kit fit behind the standard alloys. Again any advice from people who have fitted this kit would be helpful.

Don't really want to.be running massive spacers if I can help it

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: rich83 on March 07, 2016, 05:40:52 pm
Youll need a spacer for either the TTRS or the NQSBBK
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: AJP on March 07, 2016, 06:35:05 pm
Youll need a spacer for either the TTRS or the NQSBBK
Straight fit with VZ Rich?
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: oak_grun on March 07, 2016, 07:52:08 pm
Youll need a spacer for either the TTRS or the NQSBBK

How big spacer is required Rich?

What setup are you running?

Thanks
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: MC71 on March 07, 2016, 08:30:30 pm
8mm H&R Hubcentric spacers will do you just dandy with a BBK under stanard Pescaras.  :happy2:
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: oak_grun on March 07, 2016, 09:40:55 pm
8mm H&R Hubcentric spacers will do you just dandy with a BBK under stanard Pescaras.  :happy2:

Thanks MC71....now just have to find a kit!
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: Kam88 on March 07, 2016, 10:44:50 pm
if you want ttrs brakes you will been a bigger spacer then 8mm !!!!

I have the TTRS setup on my ed30 and i am running 15mm spacers. 

I have couple mm gap so smallest 12mm or 13mm spacers

I just went to 15mm as it was much easier to source  :signLOL:
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: Softishman on March 07, 2016, 10:58:27 pm
I have tha ttrs brake setup and ATS racelight 19x8,5" ET45 fits whitout spacers, have tested oz ultralegger 18x8 ET45 whitout spacers and bbs ch-r 19x8,5" ET45 whitout spacers, not many wheels clear the ttrs setup....
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: oak_grun on March 08, 2016, 07:28:40 am
I want to retain the standard alloys with minimal spacers so I think the nqsbbk is the best option  using 8mm spacers. ...

Does anyone know of a kit for sale?

Thanks
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: AJP on March 08, 2016, 09:14:45 am
Doesn't seem to be much about in TTRS or NQSBBK flavour at the min.

Few refurbed 18z 6-pots on ebay but they could be overkill, depending who you listen to.
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: oak_grun on March 08, 2016, 09:22:05 am
Doesn't seem to be much about in TTRS or NQSBBK flavour at the min.

Few refurbed 18z 6-pots on ebay but they could be overkill, depending who you listen to.

Tell me about it mate. There were loads for sale 12-18 months ago.

If anyone is planning an upgrade from the nqsbbk kit them please drop me a PM

Thanks
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: MC71 on March 08, 2016, 09:51:19 am
You could always buy the TTRS jobbies from Vagbremtechnic (via Alex).  :happy2:
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: AJP on March 08, 2016, 10:41:25 am
You could always buy the TTRS jobbies from Vagbremtechnic (via Alex).  :happy2:
Does Alex do a full plug and play kit?

Probably a good option.
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: oak_grun on March 08, 2016, 10:42:45 am
You could always buy the TTRS jobbies from Vagbremtechnic (via Alex).  :happy2:

Does the ttrs kit not require massive spacers though?

I am leaning towards the nqsbbk with 8mm spacers tbh.

Does anyone have pics of the nqsbbk Sat behind percesa alloys?

Thanks
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: xjay1337 on March 08, 2016, 10:52:24 am
You could always buy the TTRS jobbies from Vagbremtechnic (via Alex).  :happy2:
Does Alex do a full plug and play kit?

Probably a good option.

Yes.
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: rich83 on March 08, 2016, 10:54:35 am
Ttrs + 2piece 362mm discs. Req. 8mm spacer

Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: MC71 on March 08, 2016, 10:57:59 am
Ive NQSBBK on mine behind the VZ's (exat same design/look as your Pescarsas)..........

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmcaborn%2FMy_car%2Fcar015_zpsb2fd11ff.jpg&hash=68e55e4b5e0fb5b0289c5776f1b780696cf4ef44)


As mentioned, Alex does the whole TTRS kit......

http://www.akstuning.co.uk/vagbremtechnic/148-vagbremtechnic-rs3-362mm-disc-upgrade-kit.html
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: xjay1337 on March 08, 2016, 11:14:41 am
Should also say it's £1200 with the TTS setup.
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: AJP on March 08, 2016, 11:20:16 am
Ive NQSBBK on mine behind the VZ's (exat same design/look as your Pescarsas)..........

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmcaborn%2FMy_car%2Fcar015_zpsb2fd11ff.jpg&hash=68e55e4b5e0fb5b0289c5776f1b780696cf4ef44)


As mentioned, Alex does the whole TTRS kit......

http://www.akstuning.co.uk/vagbremtechnic/148-vagbremtechnic-rs3-362mm-disc-upgrade-kit.html
Those discs are a bit serious! Could do with a kit with 340s.
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: AJP on March 08, 2016, 06:16:29 pm
Should also say it's £1200 with the TTS setup.
I missed that. Ta for the info mate.
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: Markyvitch on March 09, 2016, 09:36:26 am
Ttrs fitted all round 12mm spacers all round and remove the screw on the front arch on mine lowered 30mm, but would prefer not to run spacers :thinking:
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: oak_grun on March 09, 2016, 09:57:43 am
May have ever located a set of  nqsbbk calipers.

They are off a 986 boxster..2000 model. ..can anyone confirm they are correct ones as per nqsbbk.

Thanks
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: MC71 on March 09, 2016, 01:55:48 pm
Check the part numbers. The NQSBBK Calipers are from the Porsche Boxster 2.5 & 2.7.

Taken from DaveB's original thread....


The part numbers you need are 986 351 421 & 422

Just a brief explanation of part numbers:

First three are the model number 986=Boxster, 996=911, 955=Cayenne

351 = Front brakes

421 Left Caliper (odd numbers) & 422 Right Caliper (Even numbers)

Dont buy anything with a 352 in the part number they are rear calipers and the pistons are too small for a Mk5
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: oak_grun on March 09, 2016, 04:56:45 pm
Check the part numbers. The NQSBBK Calipers are from the Porsche Boxster 2.5 & 2.7.

Taken from DaveB's original thread....


The part numbers you need are 986 351 421 & 422

Just a brief explanation of part numbers:

First three are the model number 986=Boxster, 996=911, 955=Cayenne

351 = Front brakes

421 Left Caliper (odd numbers) & 422 Right Caliper (Even numbers)

Dont buy anything with a 352 in the part number they are rear calipers and the pistons are too small for a Mk5

Legend! Thanks MC71...they turned out to be rear calipers...

The search continues.....
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: MC71 on March 09, 2016, 06:56:14 pm
If you don't find anything soon (ish) my complete NQSBBK kit will be for sale in the next few months If i don't sell my car as she is (modified) as I will be having here returned to standard and all parts taken off.

 :happy2:
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: oak_grun on March 09, 2016, 07:19:02 pm
If you don't find anything soon (ish) my complete NQSBBK kit will be for sale in the next few months If i don't sell my car as she is (modified) as I will be having here returned to standard and all parts taken off.

 :happy2:

1st first dibs if u do decide to return her to standard.

Good luck with the sale!!
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: A10myr on March 09, 2016, 07:22:54 pm
i originally was going to go for the ttrs brake setup until someone told me i have to change the master cylinder  :fighting:
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: MC71 on March 09, 2016, 07:25:13 pm
If you don't find anything soon (ish) my complete NQSBBK kit will be for sale in the next few months If i don't sell my car as she is (modified) as I will be having here returned to standard and all parts taken off.

 :happy2:

1st first dibs if u do decide to return her to standard.

Good luck with the sale!!

 :happy2:
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: Shoduchi on March 09, 2016, 07:27:07 pm
i originally was going to go for the ttrs brake setup until someone told me i have to change the master cylinder  :fighting:
Not true. I have the 6 pot Brembo 18Z and rear R32 brake setup with the factory fitted master cylinder and great pedal feel and travel. Already tested the setup on track. Amazing braking power that I won't use on the road unless on an emergency braking.

The TTRS calipers are a good match for the GTI master cylinder. :wink:
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: AJP on March 09, 2016, 07:41:39 pm
i originally was going to go for the ttrs brake setup until someone told me i have to change the master cylinder  :fighting:
Not true. I have the 6 pot Brembo 18Z and rear R32 brake setup with the factory fitted master cylinder and great pedal feel and travel. Already tested the setup on track. Amazing braking power that I won't use on the road unless on an emergency braking.

The TTRS calipers are a good match for the GTI master cylinder. :wink:
There were two different master cylinders fitted to the GTI though weren't there?

One with 22 in the part number, one with 23.

We want the one with 23. I'm sure it was you that told me this!
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: Shoduchi on March 09, 2016, 07:52:57 pm
i originally was going to go for the ttrs brake setup until someone told me i have to change the master cylinder  :fighting:
Not true. I have the 6 pot Brembo 18Z and rear R32 brake setup with the factory fitted master cylinder and great pedal feel and travel. Already tested the setup on track. Amazing braking power that I won't use on the road unless on an emergency braking.

The TTRS calipers are a good match for the GTI master cylinder. :wink:
There were two different master cylinders fitted to the GTI though weren't there?

One with 22 in the part number, one with 23.

We want the one with 23. I'm sure it was you that told me this!
Yes. It's easy to check just by looking at the part. I think only the older GTI might have the smaller MC. My GT Sport with really small brakes from factory has a 22 mm3 MC and my Ed. 30 has a 23 mm3.
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: AJP on March 09, 2016, 08:58:33 pm
Just for reference, I take it the TTRS/RS3 master cylinder is bigger?

Would it be a viable upgrade for bigger 6 pots or 8 pots?
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: Shoduchi on March 09, 2016, 10:56:39 pm
Just for reference, I take it the TTRS/RS3 master cylinder is bigger?

Would it be a viable upgrade for bigger 6 pots or 8 pots?
25 mm3. For 8 pot or 6 pot front and 4 pot rear is needed, I think.
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: AJP on March 09, 2016, 10:59:26 pm
Just for reference, I take it the TTRS/RS3 master cylinder is bigger?

Would it be a viable upgrade for bigger 6 pots or 8 pots?
25 mm3. For 8 pot or 6 pot front and 4 pot rear is needed, I think.
Cheers mate. Any benefit on a mk5 with say TTRS fronts and R32 rear or 18z fronts and R32 rear, or would it just be overkill?
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: Shoduchi on March 09, 2016, 11:13:40 pm
Just for reference, I take it the TTRS/RS3 master cylinder is bigger?

Would it be a viable upgrade for bigger 6 pots or 8 pots?
25 mm3. For 8 pot or 6 pot front and 4 pot rear is needed, I think.
Cheers mate. Any benefit on a mk5 with say TTRS fronts and R32 rear or 18z fronts and R32 rear, or would it just be overkill?
If you have a MC with 23 mm3 I don't think you need to worry about upgrading if you want those brakes. I'm really happy with what I have.  :smiley:

If I ever need better I'll upgrade the pads and only later the discs.
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: AJP on March 09, 2016, 11:16:45 pm
Thanks again. I've narrowed my options down to TTRS with 340mm, 18z 350mm, or the Forge 6 pot kit with 356mm.

I'll get R32 310mm rears if and when they come up.
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: Shoduchi on March 09, 2016, 11:24:58 pm
The only question about the Forge kit I have is the price of the discs. I was lucky to get ATE 350 mm discs for less than £100. I won't question their quality, but they're not cheap.  :wink:
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: rich83 on March 09, 2016, 11:28:11 pm
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/Replacement_356_x_32_Discs_--product--1102.html

Not too bad actually... presuming thats for a pair
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: AJP on March 09, 2016, 11:45:42 pm
Suppose it depends how often you drive it hard, and how many miles you do.

I don't do trackdays (yet) and average 6/7k a year. Replacing the discs shouldn't be that frequent for me.

Seems there are a few on here upgrading to the Forge kit anyway (Dan Smith and Maxitrol being two) so I'll keep tabs and see how they find them over time.

Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: Shoduchi on March 10, 2016, 12:35:09 am
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/Replacement_356_x_32_Discs_--product--1102.html

Not too bad actually... presuming thats for a pair
Forge states price per item £420. Didn't find anything stating that it was a pair.  :sad1:
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: rich83 on March 10, 2016, 01:26:00 am
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/Replacement_356_x_32_Discs_--product--1102.html

Not too bad actually... presuming thats for a pair
Forge states price per item £420. Didn't find anything stating that it was a pair.  :sad1:

But they are handed. No mention of left or right hence one would presume it's the pair.
Title: Re: edition 30 owners with ttrs brake setup
Post by: AJP on March 10, 2016, 12:10:22 pm
You'd hope so. 840 notes for a pair suddenly seems a bit dear.