Post by: ReflexRob on March 25, 2016, 03:24:44 pm
My car is an 05 and has only 58k on the clock.
I replaced the torn revG dv 6 months ago which made the car fast again. I've had a serious boost pressure loss again so decided to check the dv. In the process the loom clip snapped and the most awkward dv bolt has rounded off.
Add to this the cam chain tensioner issue, cam follower (done that at least) and faulty main thermostat.
I thought vw made high quality cars.
I love driving the gti it's awesome, but awful build quality compared to my old 144k 2001 bmw 325.
Just had to rant.
Post by: r5gtt on March 25, 2016, 03:34:27 pm
Post by: stuart-88 on March 25, 2016, 03:54:04 pm
No point in fixing it all and letting some one else have a good reliable GTI though. It'll get there in the end
Post by: dazza on March 25, 2016, 04:41:20 pm
Post by: Patrick2691 on March 25, 2016, 05:01:21 pm
Post by: Andy on March 25, 2016, 05:08:07 pm
Post by: AJP on March 25, 2016, 05:18:45 pm
I've replaced the dv, pcv, cam follower, cam belt & water pump, it's going in for a new clutch and flywheel in a week or so, and I haven't even had the car a year!
I try to keep my cars as long-term projects, so 5 years at the very least. For me, all these jobs are just part of the bigger picture in eventually getting to the point where it looks good, handles like it's on rails, goes like a stabbed rat, stops well, and of course is clean, tidy and reliable.
It'd be great if the whole of my budget went on upgrades and shiny bits, but that's just not the way it is unfortunately.
If I wanted a car I could just get in, drive, and not worry about maintenance, I'd have bought a brand new far eastern sh*tebox with a 9000 year warranty.
That just doesn't appeal to me though.
Post by: ReflexRob on March 25, 2016, 05:36:00 pm
I agree that there's no point getting it fixed and sell on so I will stick with it for a while
Post by: howie1987 on March 25, 2016, 06:23:11 pm
Crossed my mind to sell aswell once its fixed but then i drove it lol.
Post by: Dan_77 on March 25, 2016, 08:02:29 pm
I love driving the gti it's awesome, but awful build quality compared to my old 144k 2001 bmw 325.
You must have been lucky with your bmw and not had the common faults they tend to have after a while , water pumps, thermostats, bowed radiators and bad air locks basically anything to do with the cooling system, I spent hundreds on mine changing the above and after getting everything sorted got fed up with it , its now sat on the drive waiting for me to get round to selling it
Post by: r5gtt on March 25, 2016, 08:08:51 pm
Post by: ReflexRob on March 26, 2016, 11:15:39 am
I love driving the gti it's awesome, but awful build quality compared to my old 144k 2001 bmw 325.
You must have been lucky with your bmw and not had the common faults they tend to have after a while , water pumps, thermostats, bowed radiators and bad air locks basically anything to do with the cooling system, I spent hundreds on mine changing the above and after getting everything sorted got fed up with it , its now sat on the drive waiting for me to get round to selling it
It was honestly such a great car. Only poor bit was that it had the front wing rust issue but the Golfs suffer from that too!
All I ever did was service it and drive it. Radiatior is a serviceable part every 100k in my opinion, the Golfs seem to need to have major work done less than every 50k which in this day and age from a prestigious manufacturer is disappointing.
Post by: Juliand on March 26, 2016, 02:00:50 pm
Golfs seem to need to have major work done less than every 50k which in this day and age from a prestigious manufacturer is disappointing.
I agree. I thought that I had bought into quality German Engineering, having had very few problems previously with new Porsche and BMW high end cars, so it is disappointing to read of all these faults, even on low mileage cars.
I have put up a post yesterday to try and get these identified, with some commentary about prices to fix and what mileage these problems commonly crop up at, but only 1 contributor so far.......maybe being Easter people are busy doing other stuff. :sad1:
Post by: amanda on March 26, 2016, 07:22:07 pm
I know it's not the end of the world but a good 900 quids worth of work that apart from the thermostat seems to be poor design. I expected better from vw.
I agree that there's no point getting it fixed and sell on so I will stick with it for a while
Be lucky you don't own an rs6........everything but everything costs at least£1000 :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1:
Post by: ReflexRob on March 27, 2016, 03:00:02 pm
My old £300 banger Celica worked better!
Post by: r5gtt on March 27, 2016, 09:06:53 pm
Just discovered that the alarm siren no longer works too.Consider yourself lucky and the cars still running with no engine faults. :driver:
My old £300 banger Celica worked better!
Internal batteries in VAG car alarms leak acid and burn the internals and they fail. mine isn't working but boight one off a member so will fit that in due course. should have bought a new one £38 with extended wiring to relocate the alarm.
Post by: ReflexRob on March 27, 2016, 10:13:07 pm
Lots to do but hopefully it will stay fixed when I'm finished!
Post by: pudding on March 29, 2016, 09:47:04 am
It's all part of the fun, surely?
I've replaced the dv, pcv, cam follower, cam belt & water pump, it's going in for a new clutch and flywheel in a week or so, and I haven't even had the car a year!
I try to keep my cars as long-term projects, so 5 years at the very least. For me, all these jobs are just part of the bigger picture in eventually getting to the point where it looks good, handles like it's on rails, goes like a stabbed rat, stops well, and of course is clean, tidy and reliable.
It'd be great if the whole of my budget went on upgrades and shiny bits, but that's just not the way it is unfortunately.
If I wanted a car I could just get in, drive, and not worry about maintenance, I'd have bought a brand new far eastern sh*tebox with a 9000 year warranty.
That just doesn't appeal to me though.
Agreed. I used to look forward to things breaking so I can fix them :grin: Not so much anymore as things are harder to get at these days. It's almost like VW (and other car makers for that matter) just tipped a load of bits into the hole and slammed the bonnet down. Job jobbed. Next.
I don't understand the poor German quality / design comments tbh. VW don't make chains or thermostats, or any of the engine bits. They literally just cast the block and head and assemble components bought in from OEM suppliers. It's not their fault a chain made by JWS wears out, or a chain tensioner made by INA fails, or a damper made by SACHS wears out, or bushes made by Febi perish etc etc
Any car is only as reliable as the maintenance and care it receives. I've seen my fair share of Japanese car failures over the years too. It's not just German cars.
Post by: ReflexRob on March 29, 2016, 03:58:36 pm
It's all part of the fun, surely?
I've replaced the dv, pcv, cam follower, cam belt & water pump, it's going in for a new clutch and flywheel in a week or so, and I haven't even had the car a year!
I try to keep my cars as long-term projects, so 5 years at the very least. For me, all these jobs are just part of the bigger picture in eventually getting to the point where it looks good, handles like it's on rails, goes like a stabbed rat, stops well, and of course is clean, tidy and reliable.
It'd be great if the whole of my budget went on upgrades and shiny bits, but that's just not the way it is unfortunately.
If I wanted a car I could just get in, drive, and not worry about maintenance, I'd have bought a brand new far eastern sh*tebox with a 9000 year warranty.
That just doesn't appeal to me though.
Agreed. I used to look forward to things breaking so I can fix them :grin: Not so much anymore as things are harder to get at these days. It's almost like VW (and other car makers for that matter) just tipped a load of bits into the hole and slammed the bonnet down. Job jobbed. Next.
I don't understand the poor German quality / design comments tbh. VW don't make chains or thermostats, or any of the engine bits. They literally just cast the block and head and assemble components bought in from OEM suppliers. It's not their fault a chain made by JWS wears out, or a chain tensioner made by INA fails, or a damper made by SACHS wears out, or bushes made by Febi perish etc etc
Any car is only as reliable as the maintenance and care it receives. I've seen my fair share of Japanese car failures over the years too. It's not just German cars.
I think it is VW's responsibility to pick and choose robustly manufactured parts from other suppliers, certainly to test them before adding them to their cars. No doubt things like chain tensioners aren't actually made by VW but VW ultimately carry the success of reliability ratings on their products as a whole, not just parts. Lets put it this way, if camshaft followers wearing through after 25k and destroying camshafts is the fault of the independent supplier parts then VW should test alternative suppliers parts otherwise it makes them look bad.
There is nothing in the service book saying that you should replace the follower every 25k yet we have all seen on here that unless you check you could land yourself with a massive repair bill just because you ran your car to maintenance schedule guidance for 50k. That is not acceptable in the slightest.
This 2.0 TFSI engine is not ground breaking technology. It is pretty straight forward in design. Aside from the cam follower issue you have the carbon issues with the valves getting coked up. Pretty poor design in my opinion to have to de-coke a 2005 vehicle! Another £250 spent on a so called well designed reliable vehicle.
Every manufacturer has its faults I agree but the Mk5 GTI seems to have a lot for a mass produced non-ground breaking engine.
Coming from another German brand I am surprised by how fragile these cars seem to be.
Post by: glasgowdubber on March 29, 2016, 04:54:12 pm
Post by: Juliand on March 29, 2016, 06:20:36 pm
My thoughts exactly. Only 3 weeks in and I'm wondering if I've made a wise purchase! I don't do many miles and only time will tellIt's all part of the fun, surely?
I've replaced the dv, pcv, cam follower, cam belt & water pump, it's going in for a new clutch and flywheel in a week or so, and I haven't even had the car a year!
I try to keep my cars as long-term projects, so 5 years at the very least. For me, all these jobs are just part of the bigger picture in eventually getting to the point where it looks good, handles like it's on rails, goes like a stabbed rat, stops well, and of course is clean, tidy and reliable.
It'd be great if the whole of my budget went on upgrades and shiny bits, but that's just not the way it is unfortunately.
If I wanted a car I could just get in, drive, and not worry about maintenance, I'd have bought a brand new far eastern sh*tebox with a 9000 year warranty.
That just doesn't appeal to me though.
Agreed. I used to look forward to things breaking so I can fix them :grin: Not so much anymore as things are harder to get at these days. It's almost like VW (and other car makers for that matter) just tipped a load of bits into the hole and slammed the bonnet down. Job jobbed. Next.
I don't understand the poor German quality / design comments tbh. VW don't make chains or thermostats, or any of the engine bits. They literally just cast the block and head and assemble components bought in from OEM suppliers. It's not their fault a chain made by JWS wears out, or a chain tensioner made by INA fails, or a damper made by SACHS wears out, or bushes made by Febi perish etc etc
Any car is only as reliable as the maintenance and care it receives. I've seen my fair share of Japanese car failures over the years too. It's not just German cars.
I think it is VW's responsibility to pick and choose robustly manufactured parts from other suppliers, certainly to test them before adding them to their cars. No doubt things like chain tensioners aren't actually made by VW but VW ultimately carry the success of reliability ratings on their products as a whole, not just parts. Lets put it this way, if camshaft followers wearing through after 25k and destroying camshafts is the fault of the independent supplier parts then VW should test alternative suppliers parts otherwise it makes them look bad.
There is nothing in the service book saying that you should replace the follower every 25k yet we have all seen on here that unless you check you could land yourself with a massive repair bill just because you ran your car to maintenance schedule guidance for 50k. That is not acceptable in the slightest.
This 2.0 TFSI engine is not ground breaking technology. It is pretty straight forward in design. Aside from the cam follower issue you have the carbon issues with the valves getting coked up. Pretty poor design in my opinion to have to de-coke a 2005 vehicle! Another £250 spent on a so called well designed reliable vehicle.
Every manufacturer has its faults I agree but the Mk5 GTI seems to have a lot for a mass produced non-ground breaking engine.
Coming from another German brand I am surprised by how fragile these cars seem to be.
Post by: r5gtt on April 30, 2016, 06:06:23 pm
Regards what parts they use, they don't care as theyll always sell and people love the cars regardless.
Post by: Beej on April 30, 2016, 06:54:45 pm
Post by: r5gtt on April 30, 2016, 07:01:36 pm
I get a slight clunk but have since stopped worrying after fitting the dog bone insert and still to fit the vibra technics torque link bush dog bone smaller bush. hopefully get the bigger one at a later stage when funds permit. £175 odd so have to be patient. :popcornsoda:
Post by: Beej on April 30, 2016, 07:16:49 pm
@Beej (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11339) have you checked all your mountings?.I have a dogbone insert in place, and the gearbox mount and engine mount both seem to be in good order. It's more so when cold, so I couldn't see why it would be a mount really
I get a slight clunk but have since stopped worrying after fitting the dog bone insert and still to fit the vibra technics torque link bush dog bone smaller bush. hopefully get the bigger one at a later stage when funds permit. £175 odd so have to be patient.opcornsoda:
Post by: r5gtt on April 30, 2016, 07:42:15 pm
Have you taken the mounts off to check for play in them?. When I had similar issues with my gears even the twatty stealers missed it but I finally got around to taking the gear box side off and found ridiculous amount of play in it and after replacing it stopped the nasty jerking and now my gears and car feel a lot more sturdy and less jerky.@Beej (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11339) have you checked all your mountings?.I have a dogbone insert in place, and the gearbox mount and engine mount both seem to be in good order. It's more so when cold, so I couldn't see why it would be a mount really
I get a slight clunk but have since stopped worrying after fitting the dog bone insert and still to fit the vibra technics torque link bush dog bone smaller bush. hopefully get the bigger one at a later stage when funds permit. £175 odd so have to be patient.
Post by: Beej on April 30, 2016, 08:23:47 pm
Mmm, I did price a genuine mount, but was then advised to rock the engine to check for play, and the engine is pretty solid when trying to rock it. I don't really want to take it off as I would need to buy bolts first, as they are stretch bolts aren't they?Have you taken the mounts off to check for play in them?. When I had similar issues with my gears even the twatty stealers missed it but I finally got around to taking the gear box side off and found ridiculous amount of play in it and after replacing it stopped the nasty jerking and now my gears and car feel a lot more sturdy and less jerky.@Beej (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11339) have you checked all your mountings?.I have a dogbone insert in place, and the gearbox mount and engine mount both seem to be in good order. It's more so when cold, so I couldn't see why it would be a mount really
I get a slight clunk but have since stopped worrying after fitting the dog bone insert and still to fit the vibra technics torque link bush dog bone smaller bush. hopefully get the bigger one at a later stage when funds permit. £175 odd so have to be patient.
Post by: r5gtt on April 30, 2016, 08:26:57 pm
Yes they are stretch bolts but I've reused mine and they don't seem to be causing any trouble. torque them down properly and try not to over tighten them and you'll be fine.Mmm, I did price a genuine mount, but was then advised to rock the engine to check for play, and the engine is pretty solid when trying to rock it. I don't really want to take it off as I would need to buy bolts first, as they are stretch bolts aren't they?Have you taken the mounts off to check for play in them?. When I had similar issues with my gears even the twatty stealers missed it but I finally got around to taking the gear box side off and found ridiculous amount of play in it and after replacing it stopped the nasty jerking and now my gears and car feel a lot more sturdy and less jerky.@Beej (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11339) have you checked all your mountings?.I have a dogbone insert in place, and the gearbox mount and engine mount both seem to be in good order. It's more so when cold, so I couldn't see why it would be a mount really
I get a slight clunk but have since stopped worrying after fitting the dog bone insert and still to fit the vibra technics torque link bush dog bone smaller bush. hopefully get the bigger one at a later stage when funds permit. £175 odd so have to be patient.
Post by: Beej on April 30, 2016, 08:28:03 pm
Post by: r5gtt on April 30, 2016, 08:30:51 pm
I'm going to save for the vibra technics mounts now as I'm looking for firmness and not worried about a little extra vibration :jumping:.
Post by: Beej on April 30, 2016, 08:41:38 pm
Yes this is correct and always more costs buddy always it's a golf :signLOL:I'm just not wanting to change it, then find out its made no difference again and done nothing but cost money guessing at fault causes! It becomes an expensive game doing that!
I'm going to save for the vibra technics mounts now as I'm looking for firmness and not worried about a little extra vibration :jumping:.
Post by: r5gtt on April 30, 2016, 08:47:53 pm
Check your subframe bolts are tight as people say they can come loose :scared:?.
Post by: Beej on April 30, 2016, 08:55:40 pm
That's why you take the stupid thing off check it and replace as and when not if lol. I only replaced my cam follower two days ago because it's compulsory and everything else is a bonus :smiley:Yeah, the subframe bolts I've been meaning to check, so will do that also
Check your subframe bolts are tight as people say they can come loose :scared:?.
Post by: r5gtt on April 30, 2016, 08:57:59 pm
Crappers :scared: saying that I'd better check mine as ive never done that either. I think there are about 18 bolts or can someone shed a light on how many?. 13mm 16mm 18mm ???That's why you take the stupid thing off check it and replace as and when not if lol. I only replaced my cam follower two days ago because it's compulsory and everything else is a bonus :smiley:Yeah, the subframe bolts I've been meaning to check, so will do that also
Check your subframe bolts are tight as people say they can come loose :scared:?.