MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk7 R and GTI => Mk7 General Area => Topic started by: Msportman on April 03, 2016, 10:21:50 pm
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Priced a new 7R with options then entered them onto Carwow
Best deal I got was a 13.1% saving including this months £500 loyalty discount (reduced from £1000)
Dealer contribution remains.
I opted a high spec car which adds up to nearly RS3 base price but with the discounts available it's now closer to £33k
Options are
3 door Oryx white
DSG
Tints
Tech Pack
Sunroof
Adaptive chassis
Prets
Winter pack
My dilemma is although the RS3 in base form is slightly more its depreciation is likely to be much slower than the R and I deliberating whether all of the extras would be a waste when the car is 3 to 4 years old. I see the previous Gen RS3 still commands £25 - £30k for nice examples.
The sound of the four pot is addictive. I've tried both but tbh the R is the sharper tool if slightly slower but nothing a good APR map should sort on the R.
Just worried about the residuals especially as there rumour of a facelift in the press.
Your thoughts
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RS3... no question
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RS3, seemingly I see a different 7R everytime I go for a drive.
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I would defo be going for the RS3 as well
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Guess it depends on how much you want it to be brand new really... up to 12 month old Golf R's are now high 20's which represents a pretty decent saving and they're all well spec'd from what i've seen so far.
Having owned an older Audi Quattro though, the 5 pots do sound much better than a 4 pot!
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New RS3 if money allows and R if not.
Ive driven 2 RS3's in the last few weeks (a new one and a 8P one) in my continued pursuit of the next Mistess and the new one is a lot better than the R BUT it bloody well should be, its a hell of lot more expensive. ive been offered an a new Mk7 R to my spec through Carwow (from my local main dealer) for £28900 and a new RS3, also Carwow, for closer to £40k.
As you say the 8P RS3's are now circa £25k-£32k for one but sadly the interior is now looking a little dated but still looks good if you find one with Recaro wingbacks and a few other options. That 2.5TFSI gives an effortless 400bhp with a mere stage 1 map and sounds immense even with a standard exhaust.
I still can't decide.....tough one! :happy2:
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I would go for the RS3, Much more an exclusive car.
The MK7 R I tend to see at least 3 per day, The market is saturated with them due to the cheap Lease Deals! They are not really an exclusive car to own and as a result I reckon in a few Years they will depreciate quite heavily due to the numbers out there that will come up for sale at 2 and 3 Years old at the end of the Lease agreement.
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Guess it depends on how much you want it to be brand new really... up to 12 month old Golf R's are now high 20's which represents a pretty decent saving and they're all well spec'd from what i've seen so far.
Having owned an older Audi Quattro though, the 5 pots do sound much better than a 4 pot!
Can't beat the noise of a 3b or ABY on full beans. Arguably the old 10vt was even nicer. Even my tired old kv B3 Coupe sounded special!
But yeah, RS3 all day long. If the mk7 R wasn't so damn common (due to lease details as mentioned) it'd be a tougher choice.
Usually if I'm out on the road and I see an obvious 'enthusiast owned' VAG I'll give them a little flash and a thumbs up. Number of times I've done that to a mk7 R to be greeted by a bemused, defensive stare from a middle aged lady says it all.
Lease deals. They've killed it. Haven't seen one obviously modded example yet.
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Def a rs3...don't forget they hold there value too when it's time to sell
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Takeaway the Audi bias :innocent: :laugh: (I don't particularly rate the latest Audi range including the 8V A3), for 33k with potential further discount even without any options, I'd take the RS3.
The Golf 7R seems a great car, but soon every car on the road will be a 4 cylinder "two leeta turbo m8 m999" :indifferent: Just waiting for Merc to unveil the upcoming C63 AMG with a 2.0 4pot turbo :wink: :fighting:
Nice to be different not only because the RS3 is exactly that, slightly hulk-hatch different, but also because of the 5pot sound which is probably half the reason you'd buy the car over the less character-filled rivals. Only the M135i is close on sound as well as being not-your-average-commercial-hot-hatch with the 6cyl.
Evo mag recently did a Golf R Vs RS3 in which they said the Golf R came out on top for outright driveability, but unless you live in the pits at Thruxton, I doubt you'd notice that 5-10% every single day or week.
The 8V RS3 is surprisingly more masculine in person than in the pics too, bit like the BMW 1M for a 'short' car.
Take nothing away from the 7R because it is excellent, described as the Golf to have from the range by the journo's (until the Clubsport, probably :signLOL:). But, you'll see lots of R's on the road as said so if it was me on this one, I'd be different for good reason...
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I'm slightly biased. . :signLOL:
But most reviews suggest that the RS3 (as standard) is not as good to drive as the 7R. The steering has less feel, it's more prone to under steer, and is a bit. . . boring :surprised:
The RS3 engine note is awesome, in fact the whole engine is awesome :congrats:, and so tuneable.
It's £10k more than a 7R - a whole third more expensive :surprised:
Definetly a heart over head decision. . Like buying any hot hatch I guess :signLOL:
Evo review mentioned earlier:
Some more 7R stuff: http://www.topgear.com/car-news/hot-hatch/top-gear-drag-races-10-focus-rs-vs-vw-golf-r-vs-merc-a45-amg
http://www.topgear.com/car-news/best-2015/top-gears-top-five-hot-hatchbacks#1
Best Hot Hatch 2015: http://www.topgear.com/car-news/hot-hatch/hot-hatch-shootout-civic-type-r-vs-fiesta-st-vs-vw-golf-r#11
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Not been funny but all these talk of reviews.....I would never ever buy any car based on a review of some overpaid magazine journalist. I would not wipe my backside on EVO magazine.
Regardless of reviews, Go out, Drive the car yourself and see how you feel about it. :happy2:
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A set of decent tyres on the RS3 and it would sort most of the understeer out.
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Another video. . This time on some roads:
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Not been funny but all these talk of reviews.....I would never ever buy any car based on a review of some overpaid magazine journalist. I would not wipe my backside on EVO magazine.
Regardless of reviews, Go out, Drive the car yourself and see how you feel about it. :happy2:
I'm not crazy about Evo mag, but I have a little more respect for TG, although all magazines seem guilty of going crazy for a car at launch, then realising it isn't perfect after a few months. . I can see a few flaws appearing with the Focus RS after it's been a long termer
I agree about driving both, I only neglected to mention this above as he states in his last paragraph that he's tried both :happy2:
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Ive had a Golf R on test for 24 hours and was very impressed on pretty much all aspects. Obviously being a standard car the outright pace fell slightly short of my mapped Edition 30 not that a stage 1 remap would remedy that but the chassis from the factory with ACC was sublime on the 'road' especially in wet Britain.
I drove the RS3 last year and concur that sound was superb and reminiscent of days gone by with the old 20v Quattro. I didn't and couldn't fully exploit it 8-10th degree handling with the salesman sat beside but it was a special place to be and as previously mentioned there aern"t many around. The R represents great value but I fear that many thousands will be lost over a 3-4 year period when I may want to change and get a MK8.
The other car that really interests me is the BMW M2 now sold out for this years paltry allocation and most of next years UK has also gone
I'd like to see it in the flesh first but the RWD option on wet UK roads would surely hamper ones progress on our roads.....great in the dry but with all of that torque to the rear one could easily get in trouble.
Time to take stock but the RS3,is hovering on used R8 values but is far more practical and I see it as perhaps a better financial decision if one can stomach the extra outlay.
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R8 it is then. f*ck it. You only live once.
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R8 it is then. f*ck it. You only live once.
V10 for me please!
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R8 it is then. f*ck it. You only live once.
This.
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If at any point in life you're in a position to comfortably run a junior supercar/supercar or bigger/faster machinery - D O I T :drinking:
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R8 all the way ! :driver:
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R8 all the way ! :driver:
Unfortunately she that has to be obeyed has other ideas!! Plus I have grandchildren on the way
My local dealer had a Crystal Panther black RS3 with a pretty high spec one in their dealer with deal to be done on it...unfortunately it was a whooping £52k
Nice car but is it worth another £19K over the R although my optioned R thru Carwow worked out at £33k
Dealer offered me £1000 off thei £52k showroom price! No doubt it will sell.
No deal there then.
Facelift model out in 3 months but when you start at £41k with only few options like mag ride super sport seats comfort pack on standard fairly boring wheels IMO still a £45k car
I may plump for the R or S3 unless I wait another 12 months for a used RS3
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Another vote for the RS3 here!
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RS3 no doubt!
Had the pleasure of a drive in one recently, sounds amazing and the pops and bangs in dynamic mode are worth the cost alone :happy2:
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The RS3 gets ripped to shreds on many YouTube reviews, poor steering feel and understeer etc.. compared to the 7R. You pays your money an all that!
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Id take and old Volvo 240 over a Golf 7R. :popcornsoda:
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Go for the R,someone will take notice of an RS3 in a bad way,so many stolen thread on audi-sport
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Go for the R,someone will take notice of an RS3 in a bad way,so many stolen thread on audi-sport
Unfortunately lots of 7Rs gone missing too. Any high-end VAG motor is susceptible. Likely the new Focus RS will attract the wrong type of attention too :sad1: