Post by: Malcolmgt on April 28, 2016, 08:37:40 pm
Ramair?
K and n?
Post by: Rasco on April 28, 2016, 09:17:40 pm
Post by: r5gtt on April 28, 2016, 09:20:07 pm
Post by: Rasco on April 28, 2016, 09:26:25 pm
Post by: AJP on April 28, 2016, 09:27:03 pm
At stock or Stage 1 levels of tune the airbox is fine and does a good job. It's not really restrictive at this point.
At higher levels of tune, there's plenty to be had from an aftermarket intake. At big turbo levels, the stock airbox would certainly be throttling the flow.
Plenty run aftermarket intakes on Stage 1 maps though. They're only really unreliable or detrimental to performance if the maf scaling is wrong, and it helps to have a map that accounts for the intake.
Post by: r5gtt on April 28, 2016, 09:35:25 pm
not beautiful :P
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Post by: Malcolmgt on April 28, 2016, 09:35:51 pm
They also look cool ha
Post by: MC71 on April 28, 2016, 09:36:17 pm
Something cannot be beautiful if it serves no function.
Codswallop!
Show me your panel filter stage 2+ map and I'll show you my CAI one? :popcornsoda:
Post by: r5gtt on April 28, 2016, 09:38:39 pm
:popcornsoda:Something cannot be beautiful if it serves no function.
Codswallop!
Show me your panel filter stage 2+ map and I'll show you my CAI one? :popcornsoda:
Post by: AJP on April 28, 2016, 09:39:15 pm
I was under the impression for stage 1 that I would need a new panel filter or ideally an induction kit.No. For Stage 1 you just need a healthy car.
They also look cool ha
Only once you're up to Stage 2+ and beyond do you really need one. Unless you're getting it for the noise.
Post by: r5gtt on April 28, 2016, 09:42:24 pm
Some are running 300bhp with OEM and a panel filter and say the CAI isn't worth it. don't take offence as that's what I was crying about when I had issues with mine high revving and late gear changing etc do you remember?.
Post by: r5gtt on April 28, 2016, 09:47:27 pm
Post by: AJP on April 28, 2016, 09:54:23 pm
AJP do you really really need one?.No. Nobody really needs one. But at higher levels of tune they become proportionately more beneficial. It's not as black and white as saying they either work, or don't work. That was my point.
Some are running 300bhp with OEM and a panel filter and say the CAI isn't worth it. don't take offence as that's what I was crying about when I had issues with mine high revving and late gear changing etc do you remember?.
They're not essential.
Neither are they forged in the bowels of hell by the hands of the devil as some like to proclaim.
Anyway, I thought you just said in your build thread it was the split rev b dv causing all those fun and games???
Post by: r5gtt on April 28, 2016, 09:59:08 pm
Post by: rich83 on April 28, 2016, 10:00:54 pm
Something cannot be beautiful if it serves no function.
That doesnt make sense.
Post by: Rasco on April 28, 2016, 10:01:20 pm
Post by: AJP on April 28, 2016, 10:06:02 pm
I still can't be 100% on why the car was running perfect in eyes before trying the filter kit if you recall but maybe too much air was causing more of a boost leak due to more air travelling through?. If someone had one I could try for an hour would be nice :signLOL: that'll definitely answer the question of was it or wasn't it the dv that caused the car to play silly buggers with a CAI kit fitted?.Yeah true. It could be that the combination of a dodgy dv and the intake were enough to make it throw a wobbler. I had a split dv, and while it screwed the performance, it didn't behave like yours.
I largely agree about the intake anyway. It's waaaay down my to-do list if it ever happens at all. I'll be uprating the fuel pump, intercooler, and turbo first.
But they work for some folks.
Post by: Rasco on April 28, 2016, 10:10:04 pm
Something cannot be beautiful if it serves no function.
That doesnt make sense.
It makes perfect sense, I was trying to quote William Morris who said that "nothing useless can be truly beautiful" so in this context an intake kit cannot be beautiful if it makes no difference in performance
Post by: r5gtt on April 28, 2016, 10:12:43 pm
That's the weird thing :confused: it works for others and not me, I don't really want to buy another one only to find its messing around again tbh.I still can't be 100% on why the car was running perfect in eyes before trying the filter kit if you recall but maybe too much air was causing more of a boost leak due to more air travelling through?. If someone had one I could try for an hour would be nice :signLOL: that'll definitely answer the question of was it or wasn't it the dv that caused the car to play silly buggers with a CAI kit fitted?.Yeah true. It could be that the combination of a dodgy dv and the intake were enough to make it throw a wobbler. I had a split dv, and while it screwed the performance, it didn't behave like yours.
I largely agree about the intake anyway. It's waaaay down my to-do list if it ever happens at all. I'll be uprating the fuel pump, intercooler, and turbo first.
But they work for some folks.
I swear i have full boost on take off now but will update the other post when I get to go crazy tomorrow night. modestly not psychoticly if that's even a word :signLOL:
Post by: r5gtt on April 28, 2016, 10:14:32 pm
:slap: :signLOL: they look nice end of.Something cannot be beautiful if it serves no function.
That doesnt make sense.
It makes perfect sense, I was trying to quote William Morris who said that "nothing useless can be truly beautiful" so in this context an intake kit cannot be beautiful if it makes no difference in performance
Post by: slix on April 28, 2016, 10:46:47 pm
Post by: Malcolmgt on April 28, 2016, 11:17:30 pm
Post by: dronners on April 29, 2016, 11:54:55 am
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Post by: r5gtt on April 29, 2016, 12:45:01 pm
My car's feeling mega amazing with lots of torque and super quick response after replacing that dv with the GFB dv + and I can honestly say it was well worth the £65 I think I paid for it :smiley:
Post by: Shoduchi on April 29, 2016, 02:01:28 pm
AJP do you really really need one?.I'm running 330 with a ITG/VWR panel filter at stage 2. No restriction from the airbox at the moment. I want to see how much power I can get from the airbox before I think about buying the VWR CAI. :smiley:
Some are running 300bhp with OEM and a panel filter and say the CAI isn't worth it. don't take offence as that's what I was crying about when I had issues with mine high revving and late gear changing etc do you remember?.
Post by: pudding on April 29, 2016, 02:21:33 pm
The intake is the last thing I will be doing in my series of mods. I'm going intercooler first (MK6 R) and APR downpipe + map tweaks, and then I'll see what the old girl throws at the rollers then.
I hate induction noise. Even if there was a proven 40hp gain (which VW Racing claim for their intake, incidentally), I would still use the factory airbox :smiley: I'm not greedy :innocent:
In all seriousness, there are definitely gains to be had from an intake, providing the extra burnt gases can escape equally fast, so the exhaust should always be done first on a turbo engine. A really good intake will make it feel a bit less strangled at the top end, otherwise you won't feel a lot. It's mostly noise. Most of them blunt the initial responsiveness of the engine at the lower rpms.
The factory box is a complete pain in the backside, don't get me wrong. Extremely picky with the MAF housing and sits right above a roasting hot cat converter....but as said, that natty little engine cover easily flows enough for 300+ shetlands. It's just something to consider if you've done everything else and what every last hp possible.
Post by: StuF on April 29, 2016, 03:31:49 pm
I like the noise it makes :happy2:
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Post by: r5gtt on April 29, 2016, 03:43:27 pm
330 like what the bleep that's some power as ive only ever driven a 300bhp porsche and that was fast for me lol but not as fast as those pocket rockets I owned :grin:AJP do you really really need one?.I'm running 330 with a ITG/VWR panel filter at stage 2. No restriction from the airbox at the moment. I want to see how much power I can get from the airbox before I think about buying the VWR CAI. :smiley:
Some are running 300bhp with OEM and a panel filter and say the CAI isn't worth it. don't take offence as that's what I was crying about when I had issues with mine high revving and late gear changing etc do you remember?.
Post by: dronners on April 29, 2016, 03:48:19 pm
Post by: r5gtt on April 29, 2016, 03:52:12 pm
My Edition 30 is at 300hp with standard airbox, standard paper filter, standard downpipe and cat back, hell even the spark plugs and coils are standard. Torque was somewhere around 330lbft if I remember right, but obviously that's midrange and not carried to the limiter :smiley:So in all fairness for some it's just for show and sound like I had lol
The intake is the last thing I will be doing in my series of mods. I'm going intercooler first (MK6 R) and APR downpipe + map tweaks, and then I'll see what the old girl throws at the rollers then.
I hate induction noise. Even if there was a proven 40hp gain (which VW Racing claim for their intake, incidentally), I would still use the factory airbox :smiley: I'm not greedy :innocent:
In all seriousness, there are definitely gains to be had from an intake, providing the extra burnt gases can escape equally fast, so the exhaust should always be done first on a turbo engine. A really good intake will make it feel a bit less strangled at the top end, otherwise you won't feel a lot. It's mostly noise. Most of them blunt the initial responsiveness of the engine at the lower rpms.
The factory box is a complete pain in the backside, don't get me wrong. Extremely picky with the MAF housing and sits right above a roasting hot cat converter....but as said, that natty little engine cover easily flows enough for 300+ shetlands. It's just something to consider if you've done everything else and what every last hp possible.