MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: bacillus on January 15, 2010, 08:00:28 pm
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Been looking at a k03 GTi yesterday that had one of these fitted.
On checking the fitment I noticed that the top cannister was touching a hard bit of plastic that was attached to the intake manifold via a rubber tube (vacuum related me thinks).
Could you twintake owners of either k03 or k04 cars please check to see that you have clearance between these two items as I think this could be just a fitment issue.
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And in case your lost as to where to look, I've circled the area on one of RR's review pics
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It's a tight spot in there, the EVOMS sits close to it as well.
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is it breakable, if so .....engine mounts should stop that movement :party:
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Sure it's breakable, it's small and plastic.
I think it's a non return for the vacuum and it connects directly to the inlet manifold.
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It's a tight spot in there, the EVOMS sits close to it as well.
the evoms has a cut out in the air panel so it sits perfect :smiley:
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That must be a later revision then Matt, none of the ones I've had were like that.
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u can see the hole at the top half way along
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No holes in this one - :wink:
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so it looks like evoms made a change to them then so its for forge to sort the twintake out asap as they must have seen it rubbing the can
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They must have changed the EVOM's heatshield as I cut a hole in mine to get the valve to fit
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I then covered the hole with heat protective film to stop heat from the engine being pulled into the intake area :happy2:
PS..... I also have engine mounts, so the engine won't move anywhere now :smiley:
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Matt, did you buy yours new or used, or from JKM?
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bought mine off hedge mate so he might have done it maybe :laugh:
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I am sure our favourite Doctor is still waiting patiently for a answer, I am not to sure he wanted to know about the Evoms. :laugh:
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I am sure our favourite Doctor is still waiting patiently for a answer, I am not to sure he wanted to know about the Evoms. :laugh:
well he should have bought the evoms then :P
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bought mine off hedge mate so he might have done it maybe :laugh:
Yes that explains it :wink:
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I am sure our favourite Doctor is still waiting patiently for a answer, I am not to sure he wanted to know about the Evoms. :laugh:
Agreed TC however we are discussing similar intrusions just a different product - Proving the TT is not alone in it's failing :evilgrin:
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bought mine off hedge mate so he might have done it maybe :laugh:
Yes that explains it :wink:
Not me guys although I did buy it 2nd hand.
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Sorry, bacillus, I haven't looked at mine yet - I haven't driven her for at least a week. But I've just checked some of the pics I have and it's not touching the can (approx 2mm gap!) and there's no engine movement on mine anyway due to VWR engine mounts and the Twintake being a very solid fix. I'm seeing Forge this weekend anyway, so I'll raise the subject.
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It is very tight.. You could always just run the DV vacuum reference off the inlet manifold PCV recirc take off rather than the servo hose and there would be no problem with space that way..
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thats where the problem lies ! cause the car in first pics has the take off for the forge dv in the servo hose the plastic valve is now about 25 mm further out than woulld be on oem engine
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I've just had a look at the clearance - It's only about 2mm but everything is rock solid. I'll ask Phil Mc to rev my engine while I see if there's any movement in the engine bay when I see him tomorrow.
No evidence on the can of there having been any movement and my Twintake has been removed and reinstalled 3 times now.
I have the Forge DV fitted at the K03 turbo end.
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Also, why don't you try trimming down the silicone hose down to a minimum length to keep the overall length to a minimum, it looks to me that you have a little room for that..
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Also, why don't you try trimming down the silicone hose down to a minimum length to keep the overall length to a minimum, it looks to me that you have a little room for that..
....Which silicone hose are you referring to please, Jonny? Or do you not mean on mine?
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Also, why don't you try trimming down the silicone hose down to a minimum length to keep the overall length to a minimum, it looks to me that you have a little room for that..
I assume that was directed at me. :smiley:
I have suggested we cut off ~6mm off the hose at the intake manifold end but there's no guarantee that'll be enough.
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MY BSH CAI is pretty tight as well here with the tray being about the same distance as the Forge intake enclosure is.
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RR from this pic it looks like you got the hoses routed differently to what BSH recommend. They recommend that the right port on the inlet manifold should go to the middle port on the can and that the left port should go to the top of the can. From what I understand one of the main reasons for this is because it helps stop the can freezing up during the winter.
Also have you noticed if your catch can is performing ok with the way you have the hoses going down under the Forge filter and then up to it? The reason I ask is because I routed my hoses in a similar way when I installed the BSH CAI and found the there was not enough pressure in the PCV system to push gunk down and back up the hoses if I routed the hoses like that. The gunk just ended up collecting in the inlet hose for the can and not in the can. Therefore I had to change the position of the can to soemwhere where the hoses were routed in a straight way and now it is working fine.
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Also, why don't you try trimming down the silicone hose down to a minimum length to keep the overall length to a minimum, it looks to me that you have a little room for that..
I assume that was directed at me. :smiley:
I have suggested we cut off ~6mm off the hose at the intake manifold end but there's no guarantee that'll be enough.
Yeah, well you can just do as much as possible then see how it sits.. Thats the only issue with running the boost tap from that hose really..
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RR from this pic it looks like you got the hoses routed differently to what BSH recommend. They recommend that the right port on the inlet manifold should go to the middle port on the can and that the left port should go to the top of the can. From what I understand one of the main reasons for this is because it helps stop the can freezing up during the winter.
Also have you noticed if your catch can is performing ok with the way you have the hoses going down under the Forge filter and then up to it? The reason I ask is because I routed my hoses in a similar way when I installed the BSH CAI and found the there was not enough pressure in the PCV system to push gunk down and back up the hoses if I routed the hoses like that. The gunk just ended up collecting in the inlet hose for the can and not in the can. Therefore I had to change the position of the can to soemwhere where the hoses were routed in a straight way and now it is working fine.
....Thanks for pointing that out, KRL :happy2:
I'm afraid that I've got fed up with trying to work out what BSH recommend and, having spoken with the Forge guys at the Autosport show yesterday I'm probably getting rid of the BSH tank and also changing the hoses. It's much easier to deal with Forge and I have more confidence in their products.
I need to check how full the BSH tank is (essential to be able to easily do this in practice imo) but it was alright on the last emptying.
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^^^ x2 robin been looking at getting rid of my bsh can in favour of the forge
or at least getting some flurolined pipes to replace the rubbish bsh pipes.
I would also recommend checking the contents of your catch can at least once a week at the moment with the cold weather
i emptied my can last weekend - had a few short runs during the week and then a spirited drive from London to Bognor yesterday morning - checked the can and was almost half full...
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^^^ x2 robin been looking at getting rid of my bsh can in favour of the forge
or at least getting some flurolined pipes to replace the rubbish bsh pipes.
I would also recommend checking the contents of your catch can at least once a week at the moment with the cold weather
i emptied my can last weekend - had a few short runs during the week and then a spirited drive from London to Bognor yesterday morning - checked the can and was almost half full...
....Flurolined pipes was something which Forge pointed out as important and they happen to be able to supply them.
Thanx for the cold weather tip :drinking: - I'd forgotten about that.
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Right, mine rubs, i have the forge DV take off for the boost gauge so it sticks out further, its actually pressed down from the twintake, theres also no spare hose to trim off,
will it cause any problems? can i relocate it?
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Right, mine rubs, i have the forge DV take off for the boost gauge so it sticks out further, its actually pressed down from the twintake, theres also no spare hose to trim off,
will it cause any problems? can i relocate it?
Get yourself a Forge catch can system and run a vacuum reference for the DV off the inlet manifold port supplied with the kit..
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im not buying a new catch can just to acomidate the twintake.
any other ideas?
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im not buying a new catch can just to acomidate the twintake.
any other ideas?
I think jonny was suggesting you get the CNC inline take-off that is installed on to the inlet manifold PCV port and use it for attaching your DV vacuum hose.
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You need to get the Boost gauge fitting kit that includes the CNC take-off as Forge won't supply it seperately. http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=0016&product=FMBGFK2
You will also have to get a new hose for the servo check valve connection to the inlet manifold that you spliced to install the original DV vacuum take-off fitting.
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Right, mine rubs, i have the forge DV take off for the boost gauge so it sticks out further, its actually pressed down from the twintake, theres also no spare hose to trim off,
will it cause any problems? can i relocate it?
....On K03 car I have the Forge DV with take-off for a Newsouth boost gauge, plus Twintake, but no problems.
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Right, mine rubs, i have the forge DV take off for the boost gauge so it sticks out further, its actually pressed down from the twintake, theres also no spare hose to trim off,
will it cause any problems? can i relocate it?
....On K03 car I have the Forge DV with take-off for a Newsouth boost gauge, plus Twintake, but no problems.
very strange, mine is deffinatly touching.
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im not buying a new catch can just to acomidate the twintake.
any other ideas?
I think jonny was suggesting you get the CNC inline take-off that is installed on to the inlet manifold PCV port and use it for attaching your DV vacuum hose.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forgemotorsport.co.uk%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2FFMBGFK2.jpg&hash=5d17c88ad63d2eaecde28b2dfda770f78c65469d)
You need to get the Boost gauge fitting kit that includes the CNC take-off as Forge won\'t supply it seperately. http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=0016&product=FMBGFK2
You will also have to get a new hose for the servo check valve connection to the inlet manifold that you spliced to install the original DV vacuum take-off fitting.
is there another way? without spending money? what damage can be done when they are touching??
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Right, mine rubs, i have the forge DV take off for the boost gauge so it sticks out further, its actually pressed down from the twintake, theres also no spare hose to trim off,
will it cause any problems? can i relocate it?
....On K03 car I have the Forge DV with take-off for a Newsouth boost gauge, plus Twintake, but no problems.
very strange, mine is deffinatly touching.
....I wonder of Jim at JKM, who installed my Twintake (twice), did something to avoid the problem. I'll ask.
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Right, mine rubs, i have the forge DV take off for the boost gauge so it sticks out further, its actually pressed down from the twintake, theres also no spare hose to trim off,
will it cause any problems? can i relocate it?
....On K03 car I have the Forge DV with take-off for a Newsouth boost gauge, plus Twintake, but no problems.
very strange, mine is deffinatly touching.
....I wonder of Jim at JKM, who installed my Twintake (twice), did something to avoid the problem. I\'ll ask.
if you could!! thats great,
i may be able to \'raise\' it up abit.
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Post pics mate and then I can probably help.. :smiley:
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will post pics tomorrow, car is in garage at the moment.
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Joe, I've left a message with JKM and am dependent on them getting back to me.