MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: supercati on June 07, 2016, 08:36:53 pm
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EDIT: Problem was solved. You can read through the thread.
Hello there.
This past weekend I had Tempomat + MFSW installed on my Golf mk5 (2007 1.4 TSI 170).
Tempomat works great, Multifunction steering wheel too (horn, buttons, ilumination)... but, I cannot erase G85 errors. I believe this is also steering angle sensor / clock spring after some Google.
I've tried to do the basic setup, but it's impossible since the "Angle" value doesn't move from 0.00º (when I check in 03 - Brakes and Channel 004). Maybe it is broken? It was always working fine before removing steering wheel...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi63.tinypic.com%2F2d01iqr.jpg&hash=5dec0b5ad5c3f7d288498bc4160b5b61cf2b3c06)
I tried this: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Brake_Electronics_(MK60) but didn't work either.
SMLS is ref. CH, clock spring ref. 1K0959653C.
Any help will be really apreciated!
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I replaced the G85 today for a brand new one... same result!! I cannot understand anything now.
What I am doing wrong? With VagCom still the same, cannot read any angle, I thought it was because of the G85 being defective but may be not?
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Is this what you did?
Basic Setting
Sensor for Steering Angle (G85)
Prerequisites:
Start the vehicle.
Turn the steering wheel one turn to the right and one turn to the left.
Drive in a short distance straight line on a level surface at a speed not higher than 20 km/h.
If the steering wheel is straight during the test drive then stop the vehicle with the wheels pointed straight.
Ensure that the steering wheel is not moved again.
Keep the engine running and do not switch off the ignition.
System voltage at least 12.0 V.
[Select]
[03 - Brake Electronics]
[Measuring Blocks - 08]
Group 004
[Go!]
Check field 1, the value has to be between -1.5 and +1.5 °.
[Done, Go Back]
[Coding-II - 11]
OR (if Coding-II is not available)
[Security Access - 16]
Enter 40168, to enable the basic setting.
[Do it!]
[Basic Settings - 04]
Group 060
[Go!]
After a successful basic setting, field 2 should say "OK".
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
Note: After successful basic setting, the Steering Limit Stop needs to be adapted too.
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Go into control module 44 steering assistance
[Select]
[44 - Steering Assist]
[Coding-II - 11] or if that function is not available then use [Sec.Access - 16] instead
Enter 40168, to enable the basic setting.
[Do it!]
[Basic Settings - 04]
Group 060
[Go!]
Activate the Basic Setting.
[ON/OFF/Next]
After a successful basic setting, field 1 should say "OK".
[Done, Go Back]
To make sure the basic setting was successful, check the sensor again.
[Measuring Blocks - 08]
Group 007
[Go!]
Check field 1, the value has to be between -1.5 and +1.5 °.
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
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R5gtt, I did that, but didn't work out. When I go to channel 60 the angle doesn't move from 0.00°, and if I try to do basic setting it says error.
Go into control module 44 steering assistance
[Select]
[44 - Steering Assist]
[Coding-II - 11] or if that function is not available then use [Sec.Access - 16] instead
Enter 40168, to enable the basic setting.
[Do it!]
[Basic Settings - 04]
Group 060
[Go!]
Activate the Basic Setting.
[ON/OFF/Next]
After a successful basic setting, field 1 should say "OK".
[Done, Go Back]
To make sure the basic setting was successful, check the sensor again.
[Measuring Blocks - 08]
Group 007
[Go!]
Check field 1, the value has to be between -1.5 and +1.5 °.
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
I haven't done this, so I'll give it a try later! And I'll post the result.
The only thing I don't understand at all:
Activate the Basic Setting.
[ON/OFF/Next]
After a successful basic setting, field 1 should say "OK".
What I am supposed to do after activating Basic Setting? The car will do it itself, or I need to drive, or turn left/right?
Thanks is advance :)
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Above text is copied from here so follow on from there, so yes the next step would be setting the stop limiter
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Steering_Assist
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Still the same... :doh: :stupid:
Steering Angle Sensor doesn't read any angle.
My ABS/ESP unit is MK60 so I need to follow this steps (#03, not #44): http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1J)_Brake_Electronics_(MK60)#Basic_Setting but I can¡t because I cannot activate Basic Settings.
When I go to Group 060 in Basic Settings, I get this:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.tinypic.com%2F2dken1z.jpg&hash=506d61195b5597f44ca6adb53d1893820cc3164a)
If I try to read value of G85 in Channel 04, I get this, always 0.00º, no matter what:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2F1yuava.jpg&hash=411242237d2e1f0da3ad657eb4582a4239306bb7)
Here's an autoscan I did, and all the Faults I found (maybe it helps):
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
Revision: 00H11001
Coding: 0002690
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID:
2 Faults Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
014 - Defective
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255) Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 FH HW: 5K0 907 044 FH
Component: Climatronic H18 1112
Revision: 00001003
Coding: 0000000002
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SE36.rod
VCID:
1 Fault Found:
13701456 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s)
U1111 00 [009] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 242
Mileage: 164610 km
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 21:47:59
I have MK6 Golf Clima unit installed.
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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.069 H08 1901
Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
VCID:
2 Faults Found:
02546 - Steering Limit Stop
005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
Freeze Frame:
Mileage: 164600 km
Temperature: 45.0°C
Voltage: 12.30 V
Voltage: 12.10 V
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
014 - Defective
Freeze Frame:
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Also, I noticed my car doesn't have this under the "Steering Column"...
Not my car/photo
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FCaddy%2Fcruise_control%2Fcruise-22.jpg&hash=c6d0fda56f06c6440e6f291948563b43647ac6d8)
http://workshop-manuals.com/volkswagen/golf-mk5/images/golf-mk5-2424.png
Is it normal?
SWCM / SMLS before I had installed is 1K0 953 549 BC, now 1K0 953 549 CH (which is supposed to be compatible (http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Steering_Wheel_Control_Module_Versions)). The CH has like the space for this connector, which it doesn't exist in my car.
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I sent that link as it recently resolved my g85 issues....
With regards to the above photo, your car does have it, it's behind the slip ring..
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I sent that link as it recently resolved my g85 issues....
With regards to the above photo, your car does have it, it's behind the slip ring..
The photo is not from my car, I checked mine and I didn't have this thing behind the slip ring, why?
Isn't it the G85/slip ring the steering angle sensor itself?
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Why not upload a photo of your steering colum...
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Here I am again with the updated requested @v4rley (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6697) :happy2:
With slip ring:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi63.tinypic.com%2F1111bix.jpg&hash=cb6d2a294428c12ec72a7a58117493d423bf1467)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.tinypic.com%2Ferlp28.jpg&hash=f6ee9a9201af9b139c8240cd0a24587c100a8ed2)
(notice this small metal piece there, I guess it is normal, right?)
After slip rinig removal... here's the weird thing: Where is my steering angle sensor???
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2Fiyegsi.jpg&hash=63ec435b69902fd0d45d6e5f4cccdc78df255014)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi63.tinypic.com%2Fpm2x0.jpg&hash=67b807f3214ae0bf153d1f83e44374dcaf7189ce)
Maybe with the other SWCM (ref BC) the steering wheel angle sensor what the slip ring itself? Honeslty couldn't find anything documented about this.
Should I buy a steering wheel angle sensor and install it? 1K0 959 654
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Ah ok, looks like yours is built into your slip ring :thinking:
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I think they were built into the abs pump on later models.
Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk
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Ah ok, looks like yours is built into your slip ring :thinking:
So, that's what I don't understand, it doesn't "work" now. Maybe because this new SWCM needs the steering angle sensor?
I think they were built into the abs pump on later models.
Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk
My Golf is 07/2007. For sure I didn't have it before... But seems not be working on my car the G85/steering angle sensor now.
Also, I have one of the "rear wheel bearings" a little bit damaged/broken (it makes noise when driving +60kmh). There's there any ESP/ABS sensor? Could be any relation to that? Because before steering wheel swap I had no ABS /ESP Errors.
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Easiest way to check is to refit thr old steering wheel and see if that changes anything.
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I've just read through this and as its a 2007 golf i'm a bit thrown why the bit behind the slip ring is missing, your golf is no different from any other golf.
One exception, do you know if the steering rack has been changed to Gen 3 as that can have the G85 built into that.
It will not be built into the ABS module it needs to see the steering wheel turning to feed back to everything in the car so will either be in the missing position behind the slip ring or built into the steering rack.
Is your car from UK? did it have any errors at all before you changed to the CH module? do you have any errors on the ABS module 03 you haven't told us about as it won't set if for instance one of your ABS sensors is showing a fault (first hand experience at this)
plus just looking on ross techs site the BC SWCM does have steering angle sensor fitted, did you change or remove the slip ring when fitting the MFSW?
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I would say SI-R32 has hit the nail on the head and the faulty wheel bearing is causing an abs esp fault and isn't allowing you to calibrate the angle sensor. That's where I'd be looking first.
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Thanks a lot guys :happy2:.
I've just read through this and as its a 2007 golf i'm a bit thrown why the bit behind the slip ring is missing, your golf is no different from any other golf.
One exception, do you know if the steering rack has been changed to Gen 3 as that can have the G85 built into that.
It will not be built into the ABS module it needs to see the steering wheel turning to feed back to everything in the car so will either be in the missing position behind the slip ring or built into the steering rack.
Is your car from UK? did it have any errors at all before you changed to the CH module? do you have any errors on the ABS module 03 you haven't told us about as it won't set if for instance one of your ABS sensors is showing a fault (first hand experience at this)
plus just looking on ross techs site the BC SWCM does have steering angle sensor fitted, did you change or remove the slip ring when fitting the MFSW?
Hello! I don't know if the steering rack it's Gen3. How could I check it? Looking to last AutoScan: Address 44: Steering Assist / Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb / Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
My car is from Spain (I live in Barcelona), 07/2007 (probably MY08). Before changing to CH module I had no errors at all related to this. I have been around 2 months with the rear wheel bearing damaged but no errors from ESP or ABS ever before the steering wheel swap.
You can check on the other message, I post an AutoScan from now (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,107308.msg1040235.html#msg1040235), it shows G85 error in the 03 ABS Module
On Ross Tech it says BC (my old SWCM) has slip ring type 2 (Ref. C), and to upgrade the SWCM I had to remove the slip ring.
So, if my G85 /"steering wheel angle sensor" it's not in my slip ring and yes in my steering rack, why it is not showing any degrees when I'm steering on VagCom channel?
I would say SI-R32 has hit the nail on the head and the faulty wheel bearing is causing an abs esp fault and isn't allowing you to calibrate the angle sensor. That's where I'd be looking first.
That's why I post this info as well, but what still I can't understand is why the channel in vagcom related to steering angle doesn't show anything different from 0.00º.
Is there on the wheel bearing any sensor?
I need to change that bearing for sure, so one option would be changing it before touching anything more. The other option is buy one "steering wheel angle sensor" (1K0 959 654) and try to install it (I could do that tomorrow).
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Maybe a faultt CH ?
All wheel have sensor on them so bearing broken will not pick up a signal from this.
If you have a slot to fit steering sensor then maybe get one and see if that helps although I couldn't be sure it will but worth a try. :smiley:
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If I were you I would just buy a cheap 1K0959654 from ebay fit it and see if it works, this should 100% work with the CH module
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Maybe a faultt CH ?
All wheel have sensor on them so bearing broken will not pick up a signal from this.
If you have a slot to fit steering sensor then maybe get one and see if that helps although I couldn't be sure it will but worth a try. :smiley:
I thought also about faulty CH... (It was brand new).
If I were you I would just buy a cheap 1K0959654 from ebay fit it and see if it works, this should 100% work with the CH module
Seems good option guys, I'm gonna go for that. I have one near here for 15€, it's worth to give it a try (maybe the CH needs this steering angle sensor).
If then it works... perfect!! :grin:
If then it doesn't work... :scared: Next step will be fix wheel-bearing (which I need to do anyway).
I will keep you updated guys with the result and future inputs!
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Yes do let us know and good luck :happy2:
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Here I am again @r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) @SI-R32 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1757) and other readers.
So... first a picture.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi63.tinypic.com%2F10h92qo.jpg&hash=94bef612a9b4f2234a7e52033b547845a4b19859)
I bought the steering wheel angle sensor which my car didn't had before. Install it (reaaaally easy), and then I did the basic setup as follows here:
1- http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1J)_Brake_Electronics_(MK60)#Basic_Setting (it showed error on VagCom Basic Setting and degrees didn't change from 0'00º. But I did it anyway).
2- http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Steering_Assist#Steering_Limit_Stop_Adaptation following the 1st step, just the VCDS thing without doing anything more.
3- http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Steering_Assist#Steering_Limit_Stop_Adaptation
After step 3 errors didn't turn off.
I did again the procedure:
1- http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1J)_Brake_Electronics_(MK60)#Basic_Setting and as soon as I started driving forward because is what it says there... ESP/ABS error went OFF!
2- http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Steering_Assist#Steering_Limit_Stop_Adaptation and steering assist error went off! :D
So now everything is in order guys. The steering assist seems to be maybe softer than before...
That's what I had installed: 1K0959654
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2F29ckhm9.jpg&hash=6e44f157026d2317773d5b777b214bd37e750f8c)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi65.tinypic.com%2F30tqkbc.jpg&hash=da6cba84f814fc7a2198a889364d83f43bd51879)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi67.tinypic.com%2F2zp5do2.jpg&hash=9ad8bfc62abb31161b2149542475a873e79270ec)
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Congratulations :congrats: you finally have it sorted now :smiley:
Yes you have drive forward to calibrate the SAS in order for the errors to deleye off the screen which is what I did with my tt so all good.
Thanks for updating us on this as it must have picked your brain :stupid: somewhat but now all okay :grin:
Good one for the part no too. :happy2:
R5