MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: 993BOY on July 18, 2016, 09:00:44 am
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Hi Guys,
I have been toying over the best option for upgrading my brakes since doing the stg 1 re-map.
The car is obviously quite a bit quicker now and I have no intention of going to the next stage as I feel that close to 290bhp with fwd is probably enough!
I have been looking at some really smart and expensive setups, but don't really think I need that for everyday driving; I have no intention to track the car, just want fast and safe road car.
So, do I go with some R32/S3 brakes/discs all round or just upgrade my existing discs to neuspeed and fit some decent pads?
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/neuspeed/neuspeed-cross-drilled-discs-front-pair-312-x-25mm/
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/neuspeed/neuspeed-cross-drilled-discs-rear-pair-286-x-12mm/
Will the discs and pads make enough of a difference?
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It will depend on the budget you have available. Better brakes = more fun!
R32/S3 brake system with good pads will be more than enough. :smiley:
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Start with a budget....go from there.
If your spending £500 then R32 set is fine. They weigh more than the moon but are better than your current set up.mstandard discs on the R32 set up will be fine.
If your spending a little more then get the 4 pot NQSBBK (Porsche 986) set up, uses your current discs and pads, you'll need calipers/pads/fitting kit/lines and ideally shims. Including a refurb/colur change you should still get change from £700 (depending how much you pay for the calipers. Seach NQSBBK on here for DaveB's origianal thread containing all the info you need.
Happy modding! :happy2:
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TTRS setup using the cheaper 340mm TTS discs instead of 362 / 370mm??
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TTRS setup using the cheaper 340mm TTS discs instead of 362 / 370mm??
That's a good option, and is about 1200 quid from AKS for the full kit, rather than 2 grand for the 362mm 2 piece kit.
Incidentally, I was reading through a thread from a couple of years ago about the 996T 4 pots with 350mm Merc discs. One comment suggested the calipers were a better match to the mk5 master cylinder than TTRS calipers. Although everything I've read about TTRS piston area says they're pretty much perfect and not too large (unlike Porsche 18z 6 pots). Maybe something to do with more 'staggered' piston sizes with the 996T calipers, rather than judging it by total piston area alone.
The 340mm TTS discs are a good thing in themselves though; much lighter than 345mm R32/S3 and the 350mm Merc discs.
I'd stick an R32/S3 caliper on with 340s myself, but the weight of the calipers puts me off.
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TTRS setup using the cheaper 340mm TTS discs instead of 362 / 370mm??
That's a good option, and is about 1200 quid from AKS for the full kit, rather than 2 grand for the 362mm 2 piece kit.
Incidentally, I was reading through a thread from a couple of years ago about the 996T 4 pots with 350mm Merc discs. One comment suggested the calipers were a better match to the mk5 master cylinder than TTRS calipers. Although everything I've read about TTRS piston area says they're pretty much perfect and not too large (unlike Porsche 18z 6 pots). Maybe something to do with more 'staggered' piston sizes with the 996T calipers, rather than judging it by total piston area alone.
The 340mm TTS discs are a good thing in themselves though; much lighter than 345mm R32/S3 and the 350mm Merc discs.
I'd stick an R32/S3 caliper on with 340s myself, but the weight of the calipers puts me off.
I can fit 18Z behind my Ultras without needing wheels spacers as with TTRS calipers I'd need spacers. The 350 mm discs are 13 kg while the 340 mm can weight 10,2 kg from Brembo.
Find me someone who has a mk5 Golf with a 23 mm3 MC that has fitted the 18Z and reports problems with the brake pedal. Mine is pretty hard and I can step on it with all my strength repeatedly and the pedal keeps firm and high. :wink:
In my country wheels spacers are illegal so it made my choice easy.
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TTRS setup using the cheaper 340mm TTS discs instead of 362 / 370mm??
That's a good option, and is about 1200 quid from AKS for the full kit, rather than 2 grand for the 362mm 2 piece kit.
Incidentally, I was reading through a thread from a couple of years ago about the 996T 4 pots with 350mm Merc discs. One comment suggested the calipers were a better match to the mk5 master cylinder than TTRS calipers. Although everything I've read about TTRS piston area says they're pretty much perfect and not too large (unlike Porsche 18z 6 pots). Maybe something to do with more 'staggered' piston sizes with the 996T calipers, rather than judging it by total piston area alone.
The 340mm TTS discs are a good thing in themselves though; much lighter than 345mm R32/S3 and the 350mm Merc discs.
I'd stick an R32/S3 caliper on with 340s myself, but the weight of the calipers puts me off.
I can fit 18Z behind my Ultras without needing wheels spacers as with TTRS calipers I'd need spacers. The 350 mm discs are 13 kg while the 340 mm can weight 10,2 kg from Brembo.
Find me someone who has a mk5 Golf with a 23 mm3 MC that has fitted the 18Z and reports problems with the brake pedal. Mine is pretty hard and I step on it with all my strength repeatedly and the pedal keeps firm and high. :wink:
In my country wheels spacers are illegal so it made my choice easy.
The guy with the mk6, quite a recent thread but I can't remember exactly who. Although, that is just one case of anecdotal evidence to my knowledge - anything else has been technical evaluation on paper. So I'm not claiming it as solid fact.
To be fair, you've answered all my questions about brake upgrades on the mk5 platform with sound knowledge, and I respect that knowledge.
I'd imagine some degree of subjectivity comes into this. Much like suspension, where 'one man's hard and crashy is another man's tight and responsive', maybe some drivers prefer a more progressive pedal feel, that other drivers would describe as soggy, or simply much more pedal travel than they're used to.
While you're here, do you know much about the 996T calipers?
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im in the same situation but ill soon be running 320.bhp
I've gone for s3 calipers. they just arrived today and they are on the heavy side.
I'm just going for 340mm plain disks and some ferodo ds2500 pads. this setup seems to get the thumbs up. although the pads are expensive. not sure what other ones to go for.
I'm tempted by the C hook disks aswell.
just can't make my mind up :thinking:
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Mintex M1144 are but but tend to squeal a bit.
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thanks rich 83.
such a headache choosing disks and pads.
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If you want 340mm discs.... BREMBO 09.9771.11 are the ones to get.
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nice one thanks. just my brake pads choice now. :happy2:
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The guy with the mk6, quite a recent thread but I can't remember exactly who. Although, that is just one case of anecdotal evidence to my knowledge - anything else has been technical evaluation on paper. So I'm not claiming it as solid fact.
To be fair, you've answered all my questions about brake upgrades on the mk5 platform with sound knowledge, and I respect that knowledge.
I'd imagine some degree of subjectivity comes into this. Much like suspension, where 'one man's hard and crashy is another man's tight and responsive', maybe some drivers prefer a more progressive pedal feel, that other drivers would describe as soggy, or simply much more pedal travel than they're used to.
While you're here, do you know much about the 996T calipers?
I can only remember those calipers being fitted to the @th3_f15t (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8969) mk6 R recently.
I don't know much about the 996T calipers, I just know they can be used like the 18Z with 350 mm discs and should be a good brake setup. Not sure if it's easy and cheap to source the whole kit. The 18z brembo kit for mk5s is really easy to get. I was lucky to get my calipers cheap. :smiley:
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Yes, the 18z kits are in abundance at the minute, and at a decent price.
They're still very much an option for me. I'd like to drive a mk5 with them fitted to get an idea.
Current shortlist for me is, 18z/350, TTRS/340, 996T/350 if I can find more info, and I can't help being drawn to the AP Track 350 kit here, being sold under Reyland:
http://www.reyland.co.uk/vw-golf-all-models/
If anyone's into their Cosworths, they should recognise the name Reyland.
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These are my brakes..
Anyone know what they are? they were on the car when I bought it.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab86%2Fmusho38%2Findex1_zpszbxlwvcz.jpg&hash=e7f5c286f8189b3f016a4ccb01cfa9dba78b042e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab86%2Fmusho38%2Findex2_zpswwf2ot0q.jpg&hash=5daa2ecb6b2ad73d179ec1b64c95a3424b95b76b)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab86%2Fmusho38%2Findex_zpsysbmu9mn.jpg&hash=2cffd3af2cf9078c436371fff68e45cda7586cbc)
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Firstly, don't get cross drilled discs, there's no need. Grooved or J-hook design is far better, especially for everyday use.
Given the choice, if you want larger OE brakes then use the Golf 7R setup as it's a few kilograms lighter than the Golf 6R/ Audi S3/ Lean Cupra R brakes and there's quite a few hitting the market now.
I run the Cayenne/Q7/Touareg 6 piston Brembo brakes on 350mm Mercedes discs (EBC Yellowstuff pads and Ultimax discs) and now I've used fluid that isn't f****d they are great. They have a very natural feel and are lovely for daily driving but when stomped on you'll be face planting the steering wheel if you're not careful, they really can stop the car at short notice.
Another option which I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned is the NQSBBK, using Porsche 986 Boxster front calipers on stock 312mm discs. This is a budget friendly yet track capable setup which you should consider as it'll be the best middle ground in your situation IMO.
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These are my brakes..
Anyone know what they are? they were on the car when I bought it.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab86%2Fmusho38%2Findex1_zpszbxlwvcz.jpg&hash=e7f5c286f8189b3f016a4ccb01cfa9dba78b042e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab86%2Fmusho38%2Findex2_zpswwf2ot0q.jpg&hash=5daa2ecb6b2ad73d179ec1b64c95a3424b95b76b)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab86%2Fmusho38%2Findex_zpsysbmu9mn.jpg&hash=2cffd3af2cf9078c436371fff68e45cda7586cbc)
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caliper looks exactly like the MK1 Cupra R ones and disc size also looks like the right size (323mm). I'm pretty sure there was a guy a while back why had these on a MK2 Cupra and said they had been an option either at the start or in another country. Something weird like that.
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I think i got my seals and the rest of the stuff form AKS. I dont think you can get the pistons separately.
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I haven't found pistons on ebay but you can get the repair kit there: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/311283430602 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/311283430602).
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Firstly, don't get cross drilled discs, there's no need. Grooved or J-hook design is far better, especially for everyday use.
Given the choice, if you want larger OE brakes then use the Golf 7R setup as it's a few kilograms lighter than the Golf 6R/ Audi S3/ Lean Cupra R brakes and there's quite a few hitting the market now.
Is the 7R setup a straight swap being the Mk7 has an electric handbrake?
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Firstly, don't get cross drilled discs, there's no need. Grooved or J-hook design is far better, especially for everyday use.
Given the choice, if you want larger OE brakes then use the Golf 7R setup as it's a few kilograms lighter than the Golf 6R/ Audi S3/ Lean Cupra R brakes and there's quite a few hitting the market now.
Is the 7R setup a straight swap being the Mk7 has an electric handbrake?
They're a straight swap for the front brakes. Rears aren't compatible for the reason you mentioned.
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Oh yes, 3kg lighter
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:c2exb_RV1yIJ:www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/10737-vw-golf-7-r-complete-brake-kit/+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk