MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: gobbleplease on January 19, 2010, 11:08:55 pm
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I was looking at the results from stage 1 to stage 2+ is it really worth it ?? the gains seem to be an extra 20bhp and 20lbft for roughly an extra £1500, are the on road times actually that much better ? Is the differance that much ?
Has anyone got any logs on the differance from 0-60, 0-100 or in gear times for both. Im going for revo BTW
Thanks!
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If it a K03 car the gain are more like 40bhp (from 240bhp to 280bhp) from stage 1 to 2+. Only driven a stage 1 and stage 2 K03 and you can notice the difference in that.
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i think its less to do with the amount of power and more to do with the power and torque curve, giving more of the power earlier and longer....
although i do agree with you going from stage 1 to 2+ is mucho money and compared to a K04 the gains are not as great.
personally i will be going to stage 2 purely for the sound :grin:
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Whichever stage of software tuning you go for you need to match it with the appropriate hardware modifications or you'll either be wasting your money or potentially even breaking something.
I would advise going to Stage2 before considering 2+. The other factor is driveability - Power is no good without traction.
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i think its less to do with the amount of power and more to do with the power and torque curve, giving more of the power earlier and longer....
although i do agree with you going from stage 1 to 2+ is mucho money and compared to a K04 the gains are not as great.
personally i will be going to stage 2 purely for the sound :grin:
Thats exactly right. You need to look at the differences underneath the peak figures rather tan the peak figures themselves. With 2+ the midrange is massively improved and you will see gains of around 30 bhp and 30 tourques.
By the way check out the Group Buy section if you are interested in HPFP as we have an excellent deal going for the Autotech pump right now.
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Going from stage 1 - 2 on my car was like going from nothing - stage 1 in terms of feel. I doubt going stage 2+ is going to have the same effect... and until now I wasn't going to bother.
But, whilst the pump is cheap and I've already got all the hardware, sod it. :party:
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You've got me on the modding bug GRRRRR !!! :mad:
I'm tempted to go Stage 2 & APR Blueflame exhaust for the sound !
OMG i cant believe i read this post :fighting2:
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stage 2+ is hugely faster than stage 1. going from stage 2 to 2+ is almost as good as going from stck to stage 1 IMO.
well worth the money.
your biggest improvement will be in your in gear acceleration times. huge improvements in torque
here are times of a vRS revo stage 2+ with the obvious traction issues in 2nd
30-50 = 1.6 secs (in 2nd gear) :D
30-70 = 4.1 secs (in 3rd gear) :D:D
50-100 = 7.7 secs (in just 4th gear)
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Going from stage 1 - 2 on my car was like going from nothing - stage 1 in terms of feel. I doubt going stage 2+ is going to have the same effect... and until now I wasn't going to bother.
But, whilst the pump is cheap and I've already got all the hardware, sod it. :party:
i found stage 2+ was a large improvement over stage 2 and thats considering the poor delivery i had on my bluefin. It was like going to stage 2+ again when i swapped remap as well
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Mine's already bloody quick for what it is, I made the same power as Baccilus on the RR day, but dropped about 30ftlbs of torque on him. He has a pump, but also a sportscat so that could be a contributing factor to the higher figure too?
Either way, I'm not expecting that much of an improvement, just a bit of smoother running, no niggling fuel cut potential in the back of my mind and anything else is a bonus.
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ignoring the figures which are pretty micky mouse you can see the improvements i had over stage 2. pretty much 20Ibft accross the entire rev range. these are the before and after results for bluefin stage 2 and stage 2+ with no time for ECU adaption.
I had a real issue with the stage 2 map @5k which the stage+ ironed out thank god.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fsimonskerton%2Fcar_pics%2Fstage2andcoderedintake003.jpg&hash=8fa1edb039e43cec055545c75194c1e6ab2db455)
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Ahh, well given his car is near identical to mine in terms of set up and map, I expect I'll see the same too... nice healthy increase in torque. :happy2:
Well, as much as a decat allows, I might not see the same % increase.
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here are times of a vRS revo stage 2+ with the obvious traction issues in 2nd
30-50 = 1.6 secs (in 2nd gear) :D
30-70 = 4.1 secs (in 3rd gear) :D:D
50-100 = 7.7 secs (in just 4th gear)
I wonder who's vRS and in-Gear times they are :innocent: :innocent:
Carl :happy2:
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Ahh, well given his car is near identical to mine in terms of set up and map, I expect I'll see the same too... nice healthy increase in torque. :happy2:
Well, as much as a decat allows, I might not see the same % increase.
maybe not mate, hurdy saw an increase in the torque after fitting his decat
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here are times of a vRS revo stage 2+ with the obvious traction issues in 2nd
30-50 = 1.6 secs (in 2nd gear) :D
30-70 = 4.1 secs (in 3rd gear) :D:D
50-100 = 7.7 secs (in just 4th gear)
I wonder who's vRS and in-Gear times they are :innocent: :innocent:
Carl :happy2:
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they wernt mine, mine were so fast they nearly didnt register on the stop watch. lol. i want to get that perfomance box hurdy has to dpo some proper testing. GPS doesnt lie
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Depending on the mods you already have on your car, why not buy a K04 and injectors??
I went from stock to K04 and never looked back, K04 FTW :love:
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:happy2: :congrats: some good info there guys, cheers VRSy :happy2:
the k04 upgrade is a bit further than i fancied going TBH i think im just going to go stage 1 cat back Now (for the volume)
and possibly get a wee passenger ride in a stage 2 or + or even a wee race with one to see if it really worth the upgrade,
I said id wait at least a year till i had the remap as ive still go 23months warrenty remaining :sad1: but thats not going to happen :evilgrin:
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I wouldnt bother with the cat back just yet. When i fitted my 3" Downpipe (whilst retaining the standard cat back) it made a much meatier sound as well as providing the extra oomph and the possibility of using a stage 2 map.
Miltek cat backs are circa £500, stage 1 Revo remap is £500. So a grand for 40hp/60Ibft gain.
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get a pipewerx 3" Downpipe £450 and skip the stage 1 remap and get a revo stage 2 remap £550 and get a 50-60Hp/90Ibft gain for £1000.
plus you'll still get a meatier sound from the exhaust, I never had my cat back fitted unil after i had my HPFP and Stage 2+ installed.
you could even get the same perfomance gain with a cheaper remap £399 will get you the stage 2 shark perfomance which made neigh on the same figures on JKMs dyno as the REVO stage 2 cars do. 260hp/290Ibft, taking into account you have the standard intake and cat back, you would still be looking at 25-255hp for a total price of £850
not that im trying to tempt you to get more power, lol. but id def skip the stage 1 route and go straight to stage 2
or are you stage 1 already??
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My car has got all the bits and bobs chassis / looks wise ready to go on, although its completly standard in the power stakes, about 10mins ago i just bought a blueflame cat back from DC performance, to finish off the looks & sound
Ive no map yet but my mind is made up on REVO, i spoke to jkm at 5 o clock thinking that i could get away with a downpipe and evoms for stage 2 map but they didnt recommend it for some reason ?? they said that they would need to back down the settings and that i should save up for the cat ??
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Thats because without a HPFP you will be getting into fuel cut territory with and intake and stage 2.
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Carl (mater) ran his car @ REVO stage 2 without the down pipe fitted. he did have more mods though namely: Evoms, miltek cat back, autotech HPFP, S3 Intercooler, and made 260Hp 300Ibft iirc, so you'll still make a huge power gain.
Id reccomend getting the SPS + as well then when you get the downpipe and intake you can phone up JKM and get advice as to what setting to set your car to
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i think il be going stage 2+ REVO in summer at inters if they have any offers on, :party:
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I indeed did have Stage 2 without the downpipe.
I started to get fuel cuts though so got the Autotech HPFP.
My mods at REVO stage 2 were:
EVOMS
HPFP
Neuspeed Turbo Outlet Pipe
Miltek CBE
S3 Intercooler
Relocated DV.
With all that I got 257bhp and 302lb/ft on JKM's rollers
HTH
Carl :happy2:
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And I can most certainly vouch for JKM - Jim, Kate and Keith are top notch, very knowledgeable and great service too. :happy2: You will get nothing but good, sound and honest advice from them.
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i think il be going stage 2+ REVO in summer at inters if they have any offers on, :party:
Have you got your twintake installed now Joe?
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I indeed did have Stage 2 without the downpipe.
I started to get fuel cuts though so got the Autotech HPFP.
My mods at REVO stage 2 were:
EVOMS
HPFP
Neuspeed Turbo Outlet Pipe
Miltek CBE
S3 Intercooler
Relocated DV.
With all that I got 257bhp and 302lb/ft on JKM's rollers
HTH
Carl :happy2:
Was there any problems with the running with out the cat or downpipe ? would the car run better if i just bought the downpipe and standard cat with the map, what my plan was
1)blueflame cat back and downpipe £470
2)revo stage 2 or + remap £600
3)CAI evoms or ITG £320
4)HPFP £300
Would this work, with decent power, i was looking at roughly the same figs as you as my aim ( this was before i even seen your fgures ) 260 bhp 300lbft. I will stop modding when this is achieved :smiley:
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Thats because without a HPFP you will be getting into fuel cut territory with and intake and stage 2.
....With a Revo you/JKM can adjust the settings so that you aren't forced into buying a HPFP. I'm on Revo2 and Milltek TBE but with oem FP, also with Forge Twintake, and no problems. I don't want to go to Revo2+ and make everything work harder.
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Mine's dialled likewise Robin - but I guess I'm going to try it and see what difference it makes, for £250-ish I can justify running an experiment, the follower wants changing soon anyway.
I don't intend to make mine work harder, just remove that niggling knowledge that the OEM pump is near the limit.
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Was there any problems with the running with out the cat or downpipe ? would the car run better if i just bought the downpipe and standard cat with the map, what my plan was
1)blueflame cat back and downpipe £470
2)revo stage 2 or + remap £600
3)CAI evoms or ITG £320
4)HPFP £300
Would this work, with decent power,
1) blueflame downpiipe and cat back for £470 sounds to good to be true unless second hand. a whole system is circa £900 normally. The downpipe is the main think on the stage 2 as it has the perfomance cat.
with all your mods you have planned you are looking at 270-280bhp/320IBft.
id say you really need to add an intercooler to your list. Im running less boost than i could for that pure reason. More boost =more heat which is not good.
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Mine's dialled likewise Robin - but I guess I'm going to try it and see what difference it makes, for £250-ish I can justify running an experiment, the follower wants changing soon anyway.
I don't intend to make mine work harder, just remove that niggling knowledge that the OEM pump is near the limit.
you'll love it, the mid range is much improved. im a lazy driver now, i make progress when i drive but very rarely break 4.5k, joys of having oodles of mid range available, so im probably streesing itout less than i was before when i had to rev her harder to get the same results.
I changed my cam follower @ 22k, absolutely nothing wrong with it at all. Still, its good to know its been changed.
@TD
are you revo?? if so will you be getting before and after dyno plots. be good to see if they have sorted it out after the issues carl had going stage 2+. for some reason his when logged and driven on road perfomaed exactly as it should have, yet when on the dyno it held back.
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whats the least amount of hard ware you can bolt on to run stage 2 reliably ?
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Whats the least you can reliably run stage two on then ?
IMO the downpipe. thats what mine ran on for a fair while befoe i got an intake. cat back is my most recent mod
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Whats the least you can reliably run stage two on then ?
IMO just a TBE preferably with an uprate panel air filter.
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Whats the least you can reliably run stage two on then ?
IMO just a TBE preferably with an uprate panel air filter.
this is what im running but im sure it feels like i need a CAI
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this is what im running but im sure it feels like i need a CAI
....Beware that slippery slope!! :evilgrin:
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but the CAT is the restrictive bit, and is the reason settings would need to be wound down to ensure you dont destroy it with the extra heat. So the bare minimum IMO is the DP and sports CAT, and a full TBE the preferable solution.
then An air intake to free up the top of the rev range at a later date.
then an intercooler
then a HPFP
then.....
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Cheers guys think im going to leave it at stage 2 then TBE with 200cell cats whats the norm gains with these ?
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Cheers guys think im going to leave it at stage 2 then TBE with 200cell cats whats the norm gains with these ?
stage 2 with TBE and intake 245-260
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thats good enough for me :happy2:
Big ta mate.
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You do NOT need anything for Stage 2 other than a Decent intake.
I only had CBE and it made no difference to the output at all.
The reason people recommend downpipe, Turbo Outlet, HPFP & intercooler is just to make things run better and help the system.
Intercooler won't give you more power but it will make that power consistent. I.E on a RR you will consistently see the same result after several runs whereas with OEM you start to suffer heatsoak so lose power.
Turbo Outlet will give you about 5bhp and around 8-10lb/ft
HPFP is ONLY needed if you get Fuel cuts at Stage 2. Otherwise it is only a requirement for Stage 2+
Turbo Downpipe is ONLY needed if you want more power at Stage 2 but again is a requirement at Stage 2+
If you go to Stage 2+ then you NEED:
Turbo Down Pipe
Intake
HPFP
as a bare minimum
I would recommend though adding
Turbo Outlet Pipe
Intercooler
Regards the intercooler don't be fooled by any marketing ploy the S3 cooler is more than up to the job for any K03 application and is a damn sight cheaper. APR or others are only needed really for Big Turbo applications.
Carl :happy2:
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Carl I disagree with you there mate.
you were there at JKM in feb last year when i loaded the bluefin stage 2 map on whilst still using the stock exhaust, Bluefin even state the Downpipe as as being required before you fit the map.
it drove really erratically, so i loaded the stage 1 back on, and when i fitted the exhaust, i installed that same map and it was nothin like that in comparsion
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FGallery%2Frollingroaddays%2FBRISKODA%252007%252002%252009%2FDyno%2520Charts%2FSSV.gif&hash=4be4b95234e0d5cfc4ab931ee4fd53fb842301c7)
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Thats because without a HPFP you will be getting into fuel cut territory with and intake and stage 2.
....With a Revo you/JKM can adjust the settings so that you aren't forced into buying a HPFP. I'm on Revo2 and Milltek TBE but with oem FP, also with Forge Twintake, and no problems. I don't want to go to Revo2+ and make everything work harder.
That is true RR and is one of the things that is great about REVO. However for me that would be a bit like taking 1 step forwards and two steps back because you are buying an intake and are not able to take full advantage of it.
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I ran Revo stage 2 on my Octavia with a standard exhaust plus EVOMS.
Absolutely no problems whatsoever. :smiley:
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maybe bluefin just didnt like my car lol
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Thats because without a HPFP you will be getting into fuel cut territory with and intake and stage 2.
....With a Revo you/JKM can adjust the settings so that you aren't forced into buying a HPFP. I'm on Revo2 and Milltek TBE but with oem FP, also with Forge Twintake, and no problems. I don't want to go to Revo2+ and make everything work harder.
That is true RR and is one of the things that is great about REVO. However for me that would be a bit like taking 1 step forwards and two steps back because you are buying an intake and are not able to take full advantage of it.
....I don't see how installing my Twintake and gaining bhp and torque but without changing my oem fuel pump is stepping backwards at all. Every individual car is either different or has a different package of mods and being able to adjust Revo's settings is merely fine tuning to best suit both the car and you.
The point is that the ability to change Boost/Timing/Fuel settings provides choices. It means that I have not had to change pump etc etc. In fact I haven't had to reduce power via my settings either but at least I have the choice if problems were to arise and to do so without extra expense.
Perhaps "taking full advantage" to you means squeezing everything you can from something. Now, is that driven by a desire for absolute maximum power or a desire to satisfy a need to maximise what you call value-for-money?
My preference is to achieve a healthy balance which delivers driveability and longevity.
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in that case RR
you need an uprated HPFP so that its not on the limit of its ability, then an intercooler to insure heat is kept to a minimum.
thats balance and longevity in one there, you dont have to max it out on aggressive settings to get the improvement, you already prved that with your twintake. plus you wont have to drive it so hard to get the same perfomance.
All plus points for me....not that im trying to make you get more POWER!!!!!!!! :wink:
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Carl I disagree with you there mate.
you were there at JKM in feb last year when i loaded the bluefin stage 2 map on whilst still using the stock exhaust, Bluefin even state the Downpipe as as being required before you fit the map.
it drove really erratically, so i loaded the stage 1 back on, and when i fitted the exhaust, i installed that same map and it was nothin like that in comparsion
Thats what you get for buying a sh*te map then isn't it :P
Your map was obviously written to take into account the less restrictive nature of the Down pipe.
As i and Ian found that Stage 2 with just an Intake (EVOMS in both cases) was absolutley fine so :P :booty: :P :booty: :P
Carl :happy2:
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Your map was obviously written to take into account the less restrictive nature of the Down pipe.
That would sound about right to be honest. thast where REVO and the SPS comes into its own with the adjustability.
Thats what you get for buying a sh*te map then isn't it
haha by nice or pay twice :ashamed:
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Intercooler is on my list. But a HPFP really isn't necessary on my car on Revo2 I'm advised by JKM. Furthermore, JKM strongly recommend me the APR HPFP over the Autotech/KMD and it's not cheap and not a priority.
So, in answer to the original question whether Stage2+ is really worth it, the answer is definitely no for myself. For those of you in a never ending quest for more and more power etc, the answer will of course be yes.
Whether it's worth it financially or not is up to the individual's cashflow or availability. Gaining power is a subject of diminishing returns - You have to spend more and more money for smaller and smaller gains as you increase performance.
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here are times of a vRS revo stage 2+ with the obvious traction issues in 2nd
30-50 = 1.6 secs (in 2nd gear) :D
30-70 = 4.1 secs (in 3rd gear) :D:D
50-100 = 7.7 secs (in just 4th gear)
One of these you mean mate.. Great bit of kit and very accurate.. :wink:
I wonder who's vRS and in-Gear times they are :innocent: :innocent:
Carl :happy2:
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they wernt mine, mine were so fast they nearly didnt register on the stop watch. lol. i want to get that perfomance box hurdy has to dpo some proper testing. GPS doesnt lie
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....I don't see how installing my Twintake and gaining bhp and torque but without changing my oem fuel pump is stepping backwards at all. Every individual car is either different or has a different package of mods and being able to adjust Revo's settings is merely fine tuning to best suit both the car and you.
The point is that the ability to change Boost/Timing/Fuel settings provides choices. It means that I have not had to change pump etc etc. In fact I haven't had to reduce power via my settings either but at least I have the choice if problems were to arise and to do so without extra expense.
Perhaps "taking full advantage" to you means squeezing everything you can from something. Now, is that driven by a desire for absolute maximum power or a desire to satisfy a need to maximise what you call value-for-money?
My preference is to achieve a healthy balance which delivers driveability and longevity.
RR we obviously have a bit of a different point of view on this I am not criticising you so please do not take it that way as I am just airing my thoughts. :happy2:
I do a lot of logging on my S3 and did a lot of logging on my previous K03 A3. For me when I add any hardware to the car it is not just about BHP and torque figures - It is about making sure that everything is working well and as it should. In that respect you and I have a very similar philosophy when it comes to modding - "to achieve a healthy balance which delivers driveability and longevity". Mine is not just to get the maximum out of the car at the cost of longevity and reliability.
I guess the difference between us is that I spend a lot of time delving into understanding the technicalities of how things work where as you rely more upon the good advise of others like JKM but unfortunately I feel that sometimes causes you to bark up the wrong tree.
What did JKM change your settings to and from when installing the Forge CAI? I am guessing the will have richened up your AFR a little to reduce your EGTs at the redline so you are probably running F8 or F7? They also may have reduced your boost to ease the demand on your HPFP when the turbo is boosting?
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I guess the difference between us is that I spend a lot of time delving into understanding the technicalities of how things work where as you rely more upon the good advise of others like JKM but unfortunately I feel that sometimes causes you to bark up the wrong tree.
What did JKM change your settings to and from when installing the Forge CAI? I am guessing the will have richened up your AFR a little to reduce your EGTs at the redline so you are probably running F8 or F7? They also may have reduced your boost to ease the demand on your HPFP when the turbo is boosting?
.... :happy2: Absolutely right and no offence taken.
Re my Revo settings: Air to Fuel (AFR) plot was flat-lining in both Carbonio and Twintake sessions as it should do. Revo2 was already set B7 / T5 / F9 for the Carbonio and later adjusted to F8 after the Twintake runs. We expected that we might have to reduce Boost for exactly the pump reasons you mention but didn't need to.
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Intercooler is on my list. But a HPFP really isn't necessary on my car on Revo2 I'm advised by JKM. Furthermore, JKM strongly recommend me the APR HPFP over the Autotech/KMD and it's not cheap and not a priority.
There really is no real evidence out there suggesting APRs pump is any better than the Autotech/KMD etc. To start with I was sold on the APR pump but now after doing a lot of searching I am not so sure anymore. I have also found no evidence that it performs any better than the Autotech at maintaining requested rail pressure. The APR marketing blurb may make you think otherwise but talk to the people who actually have these pumps installed and then you will get the real picture. I was under the impression that the reason JKM stopped supplying the Autotech was because it was too labour intensive for them to test and install.
To me when paying the premium for the APR HPFP the extra you get above an internal upgrade is:
- You get replacement upgraded pump (so that you can easily switch back to the stock HPFP). Remember the APR pumps start off as a stock HPFP just as the internals upgrades do.
- The pump is tested in the factory, however I have heard their testing facility only tests the pumps up to 5 bar so not even close to the 130 bar that a stage 2+ map will be requesting.
So I think it comes down to whether you think the premium on the APR pump is justified for the extras you get. Personally I do not think so and I think as long as you get an internals upgrade pump fitted properly it will be just as good.
So, in answer to the original question whether Stage2+ is really worth it, the answer is definitely no for myself. For those of you in a never ending quest for more and more power etc, the answer will of course be yes.
Have you ever considered the other benefits a HPFP would bring other than just power? There are actually good reasons to buy a hpfp if you are already stage 2 and are interested in reliability and longevity:
- A HPFP will allow you to run a richer AFR which results in lower EGTs. High EGTs are the number 1 killer of turbos.
- A HPFP will prevent you from running into fuel cuts and misfires
JKM themselves even recommend installing a HPFP at stage one if you have a CAI!
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We expected that we might have to reduce Boost for exactly the pump reasons you mention but didn't need to.
In that case I'll take my previous statement back. You have not taken any steps back after installing the Twintake :wink:
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RR
I agree that you on your setup don't need the HPFP. As i said earlier the HPFP is only needed IF you get fuel cuts on Stage 2. I was one of the unlucky ones who suffered fuel cuts.
However it is a requirement of Stage 2+ as the map is written specifically for the HPFP.
The APR pump is regarded as the safest way to go however i have had the Autotech Internals in mine for just over 40k miles. I have changed the Cam Follower twice now and the wear on it was nothing to worry about.
They did produce a bad batch sometime ago but that has been rectified now as far as i am aware. So as has been previously mentioned it's wether or not you think the APR premium (which is basically your paying someone to swap the internals as thats all they do and it's about £400 over the Autotech internals) is worth it. Personally i don't and i think a lot of APR's stuff (although very high quality and very well made) is over priced in the UK
At the OP
To give you an idea if Stage 2+ is worth it. I have a Stage 2+ Octavia vRS.
A friend of mine has recently bought a new Focus RS. On paper his car should wipe it's arse with my car. We recently had a bit of a shootout on a runway where i was working.
From a standing start by the time we had reached 60mph my Nose was about 1/2 meter behind his rear bumper. By the time we reached 150mph i was about 10m ahead.
Any in gear test we did he initially pulled away due to the diff (i dont have a diff…….yet :evilgrin:) however i always caught up and overtook him.
Now i'm not for one minute suggesting that my car is faster in the real world. What i will say though is that i can quite happily sit on his rear bumper on a twisty road and he has to work hard to sit on mine if lead the route.
HTH
Carl :happy2:
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JKM themselves even recommend installing a HPFP at stage one if you have a CAI!
....Then you have totally different information from myself. I have an email from Keith and have had several conversations with both Keith and Jim about the need or not for a HPFP and it doesn't match what you say about Stage1.
They have also been very specific about their preference for the APR HPFP but let's not take this into an off-topic debate. Although there are most definitely quite a few real experts on this forum, I trust my advice from JKM on such subjects.
Regards the rest of your post: :drinking: Info much appreciated. Especially : -
Have you ever considered the other benefits a HPFP would bring other than just power? There are actually good reasons to buy a hpfp if you are already stage 2 and are interested in reliability and longevity:
- A HPFP will allow you to run a richer AFR which results in lower EGTs. High EGTs are the number 1 killer of turbos.
- A HPFP will prevent you from running into fuel cuts and misfires.
....I'm not getting any fuel cuts or misfires so far.
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JKM changed to APR pumps due to the bad batch of Autotech ones.
I'm not disputing the advice JKM give I always listen to Keith & Jim's advice over what others say aswell.
I was just lucky enough to get one of the original batches of Autotech internals and have had no problems in 40k miles
However I will say that if I was looking for one now I would only use the APR pump dispute it's ludicrous price. Just for peace of mind.
Carl :happy2:
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However I will say that if I was looking for one now I would only use the APR pump dispite it's ludicrous price. Just for peace of mind.
Carl :happy2:
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And because JKM would be the ones fitting whichever pump I got and they would be supporting it.
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I was just lucky enough to get one of the original batches of Autotech internals and have had no problems in 40k miles
You were weren't you. :wink:
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here are times of a vRS revo stage 2+ with the obvious traction issues in 2nd
30-50 = 1.6 secs (in 2nd gear) :D
30-70 = 4.1 secs (in 3rd gear) :D:D
50-100 = 7.7 secs (in just 4th gear)
I wonder who's vRS and in-Gear times they are :innocent: :innocent:
Carl :happy2:
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they wernt mine, mine were so fast they nearly didnt register on the stop watch. lol. i want to get that perfomance box hurdy has to dpo some proper testing. GPS doesnt lie
You mean one of these mate?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw6%2FCUPRA270%2FP010209_1455-2-1.jpg&hash=806d0beb287c8963c7b469dd3c52d27f0654a12d)
Cracking bit of kit and very accurate.. :wink:
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I just spoke too revo today for feckin ages, and now have a better understanding of the hard ware required and what revo recommend.
The guy i spoke too seemed really clued up and genuinely passionate about GTIs, he might of actually had one i should off asked.
i got loads of great info and recommendations on which parts work best with the GTI, He recommended the intercooler for stage 2 and said that ideally he would fit it even at stage one, he has also seen amazing results with the ITG intake with one ED 30 making 40bhp and the normal K03 making 20bhp which he said he was shocked at, although this wasnt a one off as it has been repeated numerous times ! He also said that the Blueflame choice was a good one, and said it was a cracking system with the best gains ! he did also say to me that if he was going as far as im going to go that it would be best to go for the HPFP, not because of any reliabilty issues of ill running but only because of the performance gains in the mid range where the stock pump FAILS to deliver the goods, I still dont think i want to go down the road of an HPFP so ive settled on
1)VW piston Divertor
2)ITG
3)s3 intercooler
4)blueflame TBE
5)revo stage 2
He said that was a good spec and was what he would go for if it was his car but with the addition of an HPFP
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You will see some cracking gains with that list matey, they are all well chosen mods :wink: :smiley:
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Both EVOMS and Forge's Twintake intakes are likely to give you the same gains as ITG if you want to consider more options.
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I just spoke too revo today for feckin ages, and now have a better understanding of the hard ware required and what revo recommend.
The guy i spoke too seemed really clued up and genuinely passionate about GTIs, he might of actually had one i should off asked.
i got loads of great info and recommendations on which parts work best with the GTI, He recommended the intercooler for stage 2 and said that ideally he would fit it even at stage one, he has also seen amazing results with the ITG intake with one ED 30 making 40bhp and the normal K03 making 20bhp which he said he was shocked at, although this wasnt a one off as it has been repeated numerous times ! He also said that the Blueflame choice was a good one, and said it was a cracking system with the best gains ! he did also say to me that if he was going as far as im going to go that it would be best to go for the HPFP, not because of any reliabilty issues of ill running but only because of the performance gains in the mid range where the stock pump FAILS to deliver the goods, I still dont think i want to go down the road of an HPFP so ive settled on
1)VW piston Divertor
2)ITG
3)s3 intercooler
4)blueflame TBE
5)revo stage 2
He said that was a good spec and was what he would go for if it was his car but with the addition of an HPFP
When I finally remap again, and not if, i will be choosing the Revo, S3 intercooler and ITG combo. The ITG intake delivered cracking gains, and they are Air Filter experts, so know their stuff. i have chatted with Andy (ITG), and we got onto aerodynamics and airflow, and he certainly knows his stuff.
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Both EVOMS and Forge's Twintake intercoolers are likely to give you the same gains as ITG if you want to consider more options.
I think you mean intakes RR... :smiley:
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ITG all the way, REVO themselves use it and they have the whole market available to them. The would use what they believe to be the best, moneys not exactly a problem, so only hthe best for them. It is their demo vehicle after all
Saying that id still have been happy with the twintake.
As some one posted before ITG is GTI spelt backwards. :ashamed: geek lol
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thats a good point sy! onbviously i need an ITG!! :laugh:
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ITG all the way, REVO themselves use it and they have the whole market available to them. The would use what they believe to be the best, moneys not exactly a problem, so only hthe best for them. It is their demo vehicle after all
Saying that id still have been happy with the twintake.
As some one posted before ITG is GTI spelt backwards. :ashamed: geek lol
....Funny, you and I completely crossed over: Originally you were keen on the Twintake and I was exchanging long emails with Andy all about their ITG. Ultimately I decided that Andy is a better engineer than a designer and as there's not much to choose between their performance I chose the Twintake and you chose the ITG. EVOMS is up there too. As long as we are all happy that's all that matters.
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SO how much is stage 2+ software. My car already has Revo Stage 2 on it
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50 quid
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50 quid
+ the hideous dreaded. So just under £60. A bloody bargain really for what you get.
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A steal really for the difference :happy2:
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Even taking into account the fuel pump its still very worthwhile.
£60 for the stage 2+ map
£300 for the HPFP internals
£40-50 for fitting
and then say hello to another 15-20HP and 20-30IBft
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how many of the guys on this Group buy are k03 GTI's. its about time we had some more stage 2+ ko3's on this site. this place has far to many k04 stage 2+ guys waving their willys about :P :evilgrin:.
be good to see what the average outputs are for these guys as well
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how many of the guys on this Group buy are k03 GTI's. its about time we had some more stage 2+ ko3's on this site. this place has far to many k04 stage 2+ guys waving their willys about :P :evilgrin:.
be good to see what the average outputs are for these guys as well
*raises hand.
Joe too, I think?
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presumably 99% of them wil be revo, lol. be interested to see what you think about yours TD, as your happy with the output with your decat at the moment
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presumably 99% of them wil be revo, lol. be interested to see what you think about yours TD, as your happy with the output with your decat at the moment
Most likely, but I am stage 2+ with APR software and hardware.
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cool, your the first ko3 apr stage 2+ i have heard of lol
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presumably 99% of them wil be revo, lol. be interested to see what you think about yours TD, as your happy with the output with your decat at the moment
We'll see, as I said I'm paying to remove the doubt, any power increase is just a bonus. I'll have it set up so it delivers the same way and see what happens.
I've an S3 'cooler and some other goodies to put on the car soon too. This season's track fun is going to be a scalp-fest!!
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I will be a k03 stage 2+ when i get a an inetrcooler, just thinking of ugrading to S3 so just waiting for one to come up for sale
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im running stage 3(same as 2+) softare on the std IC. ive just got it boosting less than i could, to reduce the heat. once i get my IC ill up the boost