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Title: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 12:20:07 pm
Think I'm now having coil pack issues, just a few weeks after having an injector sorted and thinking it was all healthy again.. :(

So, pre-empting the confirmation that a coil is bad, where's the best place to get them? TPS?

And are the R8 coils ok? I read they had a different resistance to GTI coils. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

Any part numbers, general info, links etc more than welcome.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: irish_ram on August 13, 2016, 12:48:11 pm
Got mine from Euro Car Parts to test with VCDS but in the end VW replaced them when I confirmed 2 were faulty as there as a recall.

Have you checked if yours has been recalled
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 01:06:08 pm
Got mine from Euro Car Parts to test with VCDS but in the end VW replaced them when I confirmed 2 were faulty as there as a recall.

Have you checked if yours has been recalled
Yeah, checked with VW when I bought the car 18 months ago, and was told no.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: irish_ram on August 13, 2016, 01:31:39 pm
Got mine from Euro Car Parts to test with VCDS but in the end VW replaced them when I confirmed 2 were faulty as there as a recall.

Have you checked if yours has been recalled
Yeah, checked with VW when I bought the car 18 months ago, and was told no.

Ah shame, most people recommend the R8 coil packs but not sure they do anything performance wise really
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: Shoduchi on August 13, 2016, 02:01:45 pm
OEM revised coil packs will perform as well as R8 coil packs, AFAIK. I'm using ATM my OEM coil packs with no issues. The R8 I bought from Awesome are stored and I'll use them when the current fail.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: r5gtt on August 13, 2016, 02:14:23 pm
Euro car parts TPS eithet way coils are coils.

I've just bought a set of R8 packs for when mine fail  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 02:42:30 pm
Cheers guys. What's the going rate these days?

Haven't had to buy one since the fun and games with 1.8Ts..
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: r5gtt on August 13, 2016, 02:46:40 pm
1.8t lol rings bells when I bough a set 6 years back.

£28 rough guess. @irish_ram (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8964) I'm sure I bought one off you a while back  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: Dan_FR on August 13, 2016, 02:49:42 pm
Set of R8's are about £85 delivered. Get them or stick with genuine
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: Shoduchi on August 13, 2016, 02:52:33 pm
Set of R8's are about £85 delivered. Get them or stick with genuine
Yeah, order them from AKS Tuning. It's a good price and are genuine R8, not Beru R8, AFAIK. :wink:
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: r5gtt on August 13, 2016, 03:24:14 pm
Good point @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590)  :happy2:
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: GTI8v on August 13, 2016, 03:33:07 pm
EuroCarParts are about £29 but with the (very regular) 30% off offers that they send brings it down to about £22, which is what I've just paid for Bosch ones.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 03:39:42 pm
Cheers people. Helpful and informative as usual!!
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: r5gtt on August 13, 2016, 03:41:56 pm
R8 coils AJP ?
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: irish_ram on August 13, 2016, 04:48:48 pm
1.8t lol rings bells when I bough a set 6 years back.

£28 rough guess. @irish_ram (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8964) I'm sure I bought one off you a while back  :signLOL:

yeah think I gave you a very cheap rate and made no profit at all  :grin:

Got mine from euro but cannot remember price, in the £20ish area I think
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: r5gtt on August 13, 2016, 04:55:31 pm
1.8t lol rings bells when I bough a set 6 years back.

£28 rough guess. @irish_ram (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8964) I'm sure I bought one off you a while back  :signLOL:

yeah think I gave you a very cheap rate and made no profit at all  :grin:

Got mine from euro but cannot remember price, in the £20ish area I think
You're a diamond mate at £15 I wouldn't complain one bit and brand new too :drinking:
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 05:25:21 pm
R8 coils AJP ?
Yeah, I'm going to ring @vRSAlex on Monday and get a full set. It's on its original coils as far as I know, on 78k. So it makes sense to renew them all.

Just when I'd got the thing running nicely too. Bloody car.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 05:31:07 pm
I got a flashing engine light earlier (the one that's a diagram of an engine) which cleared once I'd lifted off and used light throttle at 1500-200rpm. Under any kind of load it's misfiring like mad, jerking, all the rest of it. Definitely feels like a bad coil.

On the way home just now, the warning light came back and stayed on solid rather than flashing.

One question though.. the warning light that's a diagram of an engine denotes an exhaust fault doesn't it?? Am I barking up the wrong tree here thinking coilpack?!

And yes @R5GTT I know I should have VCDS by now...!
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: irish_ram on August 13, 2016, 06:21:19 pm
I got a flashing engine light earlier (the one that's a diagram of an engine) which cleared once I'd lifted off and used light throttle at 1500-200rpm. Under any kind of load it's misfiring like mad, jerking, all the rest of it. Definitely feels like a bad coil.

On the way home just now, the warning light came back and stayed on solid rather than flashing.

One question though.. the warning light that's a diagram of an engine denotes an exhaust fault doesn't it?? Am I barking up the wrong tree here thinking coilpack?!

And yes @R5GTT I know I should have VCDS by now...!

It is the Engine Management Light I think you are talking about. It is also classed as the Exhaust Emissions too but many think it is only the exhaust. This light will pop up for Engine issue and did with me for the Coil Pack. If you do not have VCDS and want to test it is coil packs then buy 1 new one and start from left to right replacing 1 at a time and see if issue goes. This will identify fault if only 1 coil at fault. If more you really need VCDS to do a misfire test
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 06:28:52 pm
I got a flashing engine light earlier (the one that's a diagram of an engine) which cleared once I'd lifted off and used light throttle at 1500-200rpm. Under any kind of load it's misfiring like mad, jerking, all the rest of it. Definitely feels like a bad coil.

On the way home just now, the warning light came back and stayed on solid rather than flashing.

One question though.. the warning light that's a diagram of an engine denotes an exhaust fault doesn't it?? Am I barking up the wrong tree here thinking coilpack?!

And yes @R5GTT I know I should have VCDS by now...!

It is the Engine Management Light I think you are talking about. It is also classed as the Exhaust Emissions too but many think it is only the exhaust. This light will pop up for Engine issue and did with me for the Coil Pack. If you do not have VCDS and want to test it is coil packs then buy 1 new one and start from left to right replacing 1 at a time and see if issue goes. This will identify fault if only 1 coil at fault. If more you really need VCDS to do a misfire test
Cheers mate. I got the impression any fault other than an exhaust/lambda fault would be the EPC light. Which incidentally I've never had on mine.

I think I might just bang a new set of four in for peace of mind. Like I said, they're all 78k old as far as I know. And it won't break the bank to do all four.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: irish_ram on August 13, 2016, 06:32:32 pm
I got a flashing engine light earlier (the one that's a diagram of an engine) which cleared once I'd lifted off and used light throttle at 1500-200rpm. Under any kind of load it's misfiring like mad, jerking, all the rest of it. Definitely feels like a bad coil.

On the way home just now, the warning light came back and stayed on solid rather than flashing.

One question though.. the warning light that's a diagram of an engine denotes an exhaust fault doesn't it?? Am I barking up the wrong tree here thinking coilpack?!

And yes @R5GTT I know I should have VCDS by now...!

It is the Engine Management Light I think you are talking about. It is also classed as the Exhaust Emissions too but many think it is only the exhaust. This light will pop up for Engine issue and did with me for the Coil Pack. If you do not have VCDS and want to test it is coil packs then buy 1 new one and start from left to right replacing 1 at a time and see if issue goes. This will identify fault if only 1 coil at fault. If more you really need VCDS to do a misfire test
Cheers mate. I got the impression any fault other than an exhaust/lambda fault would be the EPC light. Which incidentally I've never had on mine.

I think I might just bang a new set of four in for peace of mind. Like I said, they're all 78k old as far as I know. And it won't break the bank to do all four.

Good shout to replace all, might be worth replacing spark plugs too as not too much extra and they can cause the misfire issue too  :happy2:
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 06:33:28 pm
It had new plugs a couple of months ago, so touch wood they should be ok!
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: irish_ram on August 13, 2016, 06:37:58 pm
It had new plugs a couple of months ago, so touch wood they should be ok!

Nice one, faults are always good when it forces you to upgrade, R8's on the way  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 06:40:09 pm
Haha, that's all I seem to be doing at the minute! Loba pump to cure fuel cuts... R8 coils to cure this... oh and I've got some big calipers ready to cure the sh*t standard brakes
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: r5gtt on August 13, 2016, 07:18:13 pm
Yes you should of had one by now you  :slap:

As Irish_ram says exhaust emissions light.

If a coil pack fails the emissions can go hay wire so CEL Mil will illuminate until the cars turned off and on again. will require reset eventually.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: r5gtt on August 13, 2016, 07:21:34 pm
It had new plugs a couple of months ago, so touch wood they should be ok!
BKR7EIX on a mapped ride   :doh:
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: GTI8v on August 13, 2016, 07:27:14 pm
I got no lights or fault codes with my dodgy coilpack, was like a bucking bronco under load but never a light.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 07:34:07 pm
It had new plugs a couple of months ago, so touch wood they should be ok!
BKR7EIX on a mapped ride   :doh:
I'm on Bosch. Might look into different plugs at some point, but assuming new coils fix the misfires I'll stick with them for now.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 07:35:10 pm
I got no lights or fault codes with my dodgy coilpack, was like a bucking bronco under load but never a light.
That's definitely how I'd describe mine! I didn't get the engine light straight away, but it did eventually show.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: r5gtt on August 13, 2016, 07:37:10 pm
I got no lights or fault codes with my dodgy coilpack, was like a bucking bronco under load but never a light.
It also depends on the coil pack that's failed. Had it with my tt weeks into ownership and there was also an odd smell coming into the car with buckling and jerking home on a Saturday evening.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: r5gtt on August 13, 2016, 07:39:00 pm
It had new plugs a couple of months ago, so touch wood they should be ok!
BKR7EIX on a mapped ride   :doh:
I'm on Bosch. Might look into different plugs at some point, but assuming new coils fix the misfires I'll stick with them for now.
cheap skate  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2016, 07:58:50 pm
They're only a couple of months old!!! I did ask Steve @ Statller about plugs before it had the service and he said Bosch are spot on for my power and that he'd gap them nicely. Before these misfires the car was smooth and very strong, so I trust his word!

Incidentally (veering off topic here) I'm sure I remember @dansmith180 reverting to Bosch plugs after the NGKs were found to be less than ideal. That was when he had the k03 hybrid.

I suppose there's no perfect plug for all states of tune. What might work well for one car might not be ideal in another.
Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: r5gtt on August 13, 2016, 08:12:05 pm
You're probably right as the tt mapped ran better with BKR7E used in the remapped tt cheap and reliable upto 20k miles. some used them on 300bhp+ without issues so sometimes it's better to use basic plugs with the correct gap. 

Title: Re: Coil Packs. Which type, and where's cheapest?
Post by: AJP on August 17, 2016, 05:03:31 pm
Ordered a set of R8 coil packs from Alex on Monday, arrived within a day. Top service as usual.

All sorted this afternoon. I reckon I could have done the job in under a minute if I didn't  have an engine cover! Pain in the arse that thing.

Anyway, I got the codes cleared afterwards (cyl 2 misfire), took it for a good spin, and all seems well.

Hope it behaves itself for a while now!