MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: AndrewWillis on October 15, 2016, 04:18:54 pm

Title: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: AndrewWillis on October 15, 2016, 04:18:54 pm
I have recently had an R-Tech stage 2+ on my 05 Gti and she's just been in for cambelt, tensioner, water pump and alternator belt. I've just got her back from the dealers and she feels a bit sluggish, am I just used to the new power or do they wipe it at the dealers?
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: 99hagued on October 15, 2016, 04:36:34 pm
They would probably have disconnected the battery when doing the timing belt that might have something to do with it mate
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: Shoduchi on October 15, 2016, 04:43:52 pm
I have recently had an R-Tech stage 2+ on my 05 Gti and she's just been in for cambelt, tensioner, water pump and alternator belt. I've just got her back from the dealers and she feels a bit sluggish, am I just used to the new power or do they wipe it at the dealers?
R-Tech maps aren't lost with battery disconnections but the dealer might have "updated" your engine ECU making you lose the remap. Other than that a failed DV can also be the problem and be completely unrelated to the maintenance done recently. Check with your mechanic if the boost is right, for example, or contact R-Tech for a diagnosis on the map.
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: AndrewWillis on October 15, 2016, 04:52:29 pm
Ah okay :) I'll have to go for a spirited drive tomorrow, just to make double sure...if not I'll have to give R-tech a ring on Monday, as they did a GFB DV+ for me when it was remapped
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: Shoduchi on October 15, 2016, 05:00:25 pm
Ah okay :) I'll have to go for a spirited drive tomorrow, just to make double sure...if not I'll have to give R-tech a ring on Monday, as they did a GFB DV+ for me when it was remapped
So no split DV then. I have a GFB DV+ and I don't think it can fail easily. Check if the cambelt was correctly fitted and the timing isn't out.
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: AndrewWillis on October 15, 2016, 05:04:04 pm
How would I go about that?
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: Shoduchi on October 15, 2016, 05:12:42 pm
How would I go about that?
A mechanic can do it. I think the engine has to be put in TDC (top dead centre) to see if the timing belt mark matches the engine mark. Other than that a log can help too, I think.

Others more knowledgeable might help more how to check that. :thinking:
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: AndrewWillis on October 15, 2016, 05:16:36 pm
Ah okay :) thanks buddy, I appreciate it :)
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: Dan_FR on October 15, 2016, 08:33:20 pm
R-Tech map can reset to map 1 if you have the 5 switchable maps..... Worth checking......

Otherwise the cam timing might be out....

Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: grey golfster on October 15, 2016, 09:05:42 pm
When you say dealer, do you mean service at a  VW main agent?
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: AndrewWillis on October 15, 2016, 11:47:20 pm
Yeah it was at my local VW dealership, been using them for 3 years with no troubles...
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: rich83 on October 16, 2016, 11:34:23 am
Check the timing belt, they might have put it on a tooth out
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: AndrewWillis on October 16, 2016, 03:11:41 pm
Does that mean taking it to a garage?
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: rich83 on October 16, 2016, 04:53:26 pm
Do you have VCDS? You can check with that... If not, yes it will be a trip to a garage
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: AndrewWillis on October 16, 2016, 05:30:04 pm
I only have the Carista app
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: Dan_FR on October 16, 2016, 06:05:34 pm
Find someone with vcds. There's a post on here or get on the Facebook page 'vcds users uk'
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: AndrewWillis on October 17, 2016, 10:33:30 pm
Took it back to the dealer where I had the work done, sure enough it was one tooth out, gave me a very nice 7R to 'play with' for the day, while they did the work for free for me. Not too bad in the end, she now feels as good as she did...Not quite as fast as the R though...Maybe a K04 is needed
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: Shoduchi on October 17, 2016, 11:34:09 pm
Good customer service! :drinking:

Think about the K04. Should have some coming up for sale when people buy TTE420 or TTE480. :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: rich83 on October 18, 2016, 08:02:34 am
Took it back to the dealer where I had the work done, sure enough it was one tooth out, gave me a very nice 7R to 'play with' for the day, while they did the work for free for me. Not too bad in the end, she now feels as good as she did...Not quite as fast as the R though...Maybe a K04 is needed

 :smiley:
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: grey golfster on October 18, 2016, 08:27:29 am

Good customer service! :drinking:

Other than a VW main agent miss-timed the engine!  :surprised:
Can't find an emoji for Pathetic!

When you say they did the work for free - do you mean gave you a refund?
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: Shoduchi on October 18, 2016, 09:41:40 am
Even the best can fail (hopefully just very rarely) but it's good that they recognized the mistake and corrected the best they could, without too much hassle for the damaged customer. Of course they weren't supposed to charge for repairing something that they did wrong in the 1st place. But the good will showed when they offered a good replacement car, and not some 1.2 Polo or something like it. :smiley:

If a big mistake was to happen again in a future job, I'd consider changing to a different dealer/mechanic. I can forgive the odd mistake, not the systematic.
Title: Re: Stage 2+ feels sluggish
Post by: AndrewWillis on October 18, 2016, 02:11:07 pm
They didn't refund, but it was still a good gesture for me, and after using them for almost 4 years now and this is the first mistake, I am more than a happy customer, hopefully next time she's in for a service they'll give me another R instead of an UP!