MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: GE90 on November 07, 2016, 08:59:29 pm
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Hi All
Will be changing my DSG oil soon, by use of the top fill method. Anyone know what size clear tube I need to fit the centre of the filter fitting when filling? Any tips on making up the funnel and tube assembly for the top fill method would be appreciated.
Many thanks.
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You can get an adapter that screws into the dsg box, you can attach a tube to the adapter and the other end to your fluid bottle.
Theyre around £7 on eBay, here's a link just for example:
http://www.paddockspares.com/atf-adaptor-for-vw-audi-dsg-transmission.html
Jas
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Thanks Jas.
However, I will be doing the top fill method, so it's really the diameter of the tubing that I'm trying to find out before I start taking things apart.
Thanks again.
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Any good?
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/multi/dsg-diy-fluid-change-service.htm
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Thanks. I completed this earlier today.
Nice and straight forward, and nice to know it's been done properly with the level correctly set.
Anyone else going for the top fill method - I used 10mm internal clear tubing, and put a little tape around the part that entered the filter housing to make up about 1mm! End result perfect!
Cheers
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Cheers im thinking about doing mine myself, did you follow any good guides?
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This is worth a watch https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nhE19GCXlvA
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Had a look at some videos. I have VCDS, so nice and straight forward.
Happy to answer any queries.
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A job well done sir!
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I did this before but I never did anything with VCDS :ashamed:
I just measured exactly how much oil came out and lashed an identical amount of fresh stuff back in, changed the filter and off I went :rolleye:
Is that ok or did I mess it up??
That was about 10k Miles ago. Gearbox has been behaving very well. No issues
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I did this before but I never did anything with VCDS :ashamed:
I just measured exactly how much oil came out and lashed an identical amount of fresh stuff back in, changed the filter and off I went :rolleye:
Is that ok or did I mess it up??
That was about 10k Miles ago. Gearbox has been behaving very well. No issues
ive seen people fill the oil from the oil filter end so you've done a fab job of replacing the oil mate :happy2: nothing wrong with they way you did it at all.
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I've never understood why they suggest it's filled from the bottom.
That's like changing your engine oil and pimping it up through the sump hole.
I'm pretty sure when I took my old audi dsg to audi for a dsg oil change they did it from the top as was oil spilt where the filter goes. Was a right mess and they didn't even wipe it off.
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While I was previously in aeronautical engineering for over 16 years, I am certainly no expert in DSG’s! However, after much research, and having recently completed this myself, the following summary might be useful for others:
There appears to be two methods of refilling, and two methods of determining the correct level.
The gearbox can be refilled by pumping or relying on gravity feed through the bottom drain. This is much quicker, particularly when using a pump (only minutes). The downside is that the official tooling is expensive, and it can be messy.
The top fill relies on a small diameter inlet port, exposed when the filter is removed. While this is slower, I found it very straight forward, and no mess!
As for determining the correct oil level, some simply measure the capacity of oil drained, and refill with the same quantity. Nothing wrong with this, provided the level was correct to begin with, and the temperature of the old and new oil are relatively close. Also need to take into account any oil lost, particularly using the bottom fill method.
I used the VCDS method, which although more time consuming, gave me reassurance that the level was correct. I think this is important, as the oil is not only used for lubrication and cooling, but also for the hydraulics within the mechatronic unit. This method involves overfilling, running the gearbox up to a specific temperature (monitored with VCDS), and then removing the drain plug with the engine running, at which point the oil will drain to the level of the stack pipe.
Concluded with a Basic Adaptions reset using VCDS, the DSG gets a proper treat!
Main dealers seem to be charging less than my local Indy, but I decided to service this myself to avoid the mess (as comment about Audi above), and so that I was certain that the level was correct. It was also interesting to see the condition of the old oil.
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Thanks a lot GE90 - will definitely give this a go, looks a lot simpler then I first thought. Im going to do the exact same as you have as I have VCDS.
So, DSG filter out, drain oil (presumably a sump plug on the underside of the gearbox?), insert tube into where in the filter came out, fill with new fluid patiently (how do you know you have overfilled it?). Then new filter in, everything back to normal, run engine up to temp, then remove drain plug (where is this) and hopefully you'll see a little drop out.
Why is VCDS needed? Just to see DSG gear box temp? Im going to look at a few more guides before hand but just trying to get the basics understood.
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) - cheers buddy! You're subframe bushes are looking tops on the other thread :happy2:
@slix (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14819) - cheek of Audi leaving your motor in a mess :confused: Not cool. Mate of mine just bought a brand new Q7 from Audi, Edinburgh. £52,000 he spent on it. That's a huge amount of money in anyone's book. He said the whole experience was really deflating :sad1: No tour of the car on collecting. No real celebration of the sale. He really didn't feel like a valued customer. Not great is it :confused:
I used the VCDS method, which although more time consuming, gave me reassurance that the level was correct. I think this is important, as the oil is not only used for lubrication and cooling, but also for the hydraulics within the mechatronic unit. This method involves overfilling, running the gearbox up to a specific temperature (monitored with VCDS), and then removing the drain plug with the engine running, at which point the oil will drain to the level of the stack pipe.
Concluded with a Basic Adaptions reset using VCDS, the DSG gets a proper treat!
Cheers for that GE90. I might go ahead and do that process as it sounds like the proper job! And I have VCDS so it'd be rude not too :smiley: :happy2:
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Thanks a lot GE90 - will definitely give this a go, looks a lot simpler then I first thought. Im going to do the exact same as you have as I have VCDS.
So, DSG filter out, drain oil (presumably a sump plug on the underside of the gearbox?), insert tube into where in the filter came out, fill with new fluid patiently (how do you know you have overfilled it?). Then new filter in, everything back to normal, run engine up to temp, then remove drain plug (where is this) and hopefully you'll see a little drop out.
Why is VCDS needed? Just to see DSG gear box temp? Im going to look at a few more guides before hand but just trying to get the basics understood.
Sort of! Inlet pipework to remove, along with battery and battery tray. The gearbox has a drain plug, and an additional plastic stack pipe behind that. The stack pipe needs to be removed to drain the oil. Remember that you will have many error messages etc as a result of disconnecting the battery. These should clear during the first drive.
Correct, VCDS is used to monitor the oil temp and to carry our basic adaptions reset.
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Forgot to mention - DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN THE PLASTIC STACK PIPE! Use a torque wrench if necessary.
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Thanks, yeah I had left out the access steps as stock airbox vs CAI etc. Yep faults will clear anyway. I assume it isn't a lot of torque required, I might need a new wrench tbh - mine is pretty heavy duty. I guess the rest of it will become clear when im actually doing it
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) - cheers buddy! You're subframe bushes are looking tops on the other thread :happy2:
Thanks pal yeah but shame I had to nut and bolt it as the OEM bolt wouldn't go through :@ someone on here stiffed me over by the looks of it and not impressed at all.
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) - cheers buddy! You're subframe bushes are looking tops on the other thread :happy2:
Thanks pal yeah but shame I had to nut and bolt it as the OEM bolt wouldn't go through :@ someone on here stiffed me over by the looks of it and not impressed at all.
You didn't collect in person did you :grin:
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someone on here stiffed me over by the looks of it and not impressed at all.
Very disappointed to hear this buddy. That doesn't sound cool at all!!
Thanks, yeah I had left out the access steps as stock airbox vs CAI etc. Yep faults will clear anyway. I assume it isn't a lot of torque required, I might need a new wrench tbh - mine is pretty heavy duty. I guess the rest of it will become clear when im actually doing it
You'll have no bother with this job Pesky - it's really straight forward once you get into it. Grant it I never did the VCDS bit which might add an extra layer of complication. But if you do it pikey style like me :ashamed: it's definitely very straight forward.
I followed this video....
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someone on here stiffed me over by the looks of it and not impressed at all.
Very disappointed to hear this buddy. That doesn't sound cool at all!!
tell be about it mate but I'm hoping it won't drop out as the bolt wasn't long enoigh TBH.
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Do you have to measure how much oil came out?
I was thinking to refill and then re-drain by removing the sump plug once up to temperature, so any excess should flow out.
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As far as I can see - you can either measure the amount that comes out, and just put that amount back in and be done with it or... you can fill it up with the aim of overfilling it, get it up to temp, then when you take the plug out, any excess will come out.
How you know how much to overfill it is another question.. I assume it is possible to overfill it too much if that makes sense :signLOL:
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Haha yes, I know over
fillkill!
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I bought 6 litres. I jacked the car at an angle to get as much out as possible, just under 5 litres at a guess. I then flushed through a little oil, say about half a litre. Then refilled with say 5.5 litres. I would guess that, with the car level and the oil temp correct, just over half a litre then drained out.
Hope this helps!
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Does anyone have part numbers for
DSG oil
DSG filter
DSG o-ring
Sealing washer
That's all I need for this I believe.
I have seen the whole kit on Awesome GTI for £120...which isn't far off what an indy would charge.
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So is £130 all in from Awesome a good price?
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I'm not sure of the price of the individual items so cant comment if its a good price or not yet
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I believe these are the part numbers, but I have not bought them yet so you'll need to check!
Oil – AG052 182 A2 (need 6 litres)
Filter – A02E305 051 C
Filter housing O-ring – AN910 845 01
Drain plug washer – P VN043 809 2
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Cheers Lewo, will do!
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If it works out cheaper can you post back up on here cheers.
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) - cheers buddy! You're subframe bushes are looking tops on the other thread :happy2:
Thanks pal yeah but shame I had to nut and bolt it as the OEM bolt wouldn't go through :@ someone on here stiffed me over by the looks of it and not impressed at all.
You didn't collect in person did you :grin:
nope it was sent out to me you joker :signLOL:
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I filled my diesel golf from the top method, when i drained it out only 4.5 litres or so had come out, it took me a while to fill it from the top and ended up spilling lots of it everywhere tbh, but my gearbox seems fine. Guess either way is fine, just upto you and how much paitence you have i guess
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Is there also a separate 'bath' in these gearboxes for standard gear oil or does the DSG fluid do everything, e.g. lubricate actual gears as well as the clutch packs?
Reason I ask is that the AYC on Evo's (my last car) has separate baths for ATF and gear oil and i'm wondering if this is something similar.
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Believe it does everything. Never heard about any other oil needing to go in
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Is there also a separate 'bath' in these gearboxes for standard gear oil or does the DSG fluid do everything, e.g. lubricate actual gears as well as the clutch packs?
Reason I ask is that the AYC on Evo's (my last car) has separate baths for ATF and gear oil and i'm wondering if this is something similar.
Just one oil. About 6L is needed but shouldn't use all of it.
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Is there also a separate 'bath' in these gearboxes for standard gear oil or does the DSG fluid do everything, e.g. lubricate actual gears as well as the clutch packs?
Reason I ask is that the AYC on Evo's (my last car) has separate baths for ATF and gear oil and i'm wondering if this is something similar.
Believe it does everything. Never heard about any other oil needing to go in
Just one oil. About 6L is needed but shouldn't use all of it.
Excellent, appreciate the advice, thanks fellas. :happy2: