MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Neil 54 on December 06, 2016, 07:11:38 pm
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Just wondering if anyone knows if Febi make the original engine mounts for VW as I want new ones but don't think I can stand extra NVH of after market mounts
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Am also looking for new mounts. VWR subframe mount made a nice improvement but I dont want anymore NVH.
I think most people would opt for original mounts (which wear out quickly) but filled with sillicone.
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I'm also interested in finding out more
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Febi from ECP would be worse than new originals, been there, done that!
Filling the voids in original mounts would need to be done with liquid urethane of around 40 durometer. Silicon would just squeeze out.
034 Motorsport 'Street Density' are apparently quite good for NVH, but a few concerns on build quality, and they're not cheap.
Vibratechnics in 'Fast road' flavor are probably the best at what they do whilst keeping NVH as low as possible, but with all 3 you're still going to get some increased vibration in the cabin.
DLI Technik from Sweden make some amazing mounts (springs instead of rubber) but transmission noise increases a lot.
It's one of the hardest compromises to get right.
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Thank you Pudding,
Looks like am going for the Vibratechnics then
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@pudding - sorry if I'm being a bit dull :confused: but, by Febi being worse than OEM do you mean softer? or just bad quality?
Only asking as I have a set in the garage and had been planning on replacing my 114,000 mile old originals.
Thanks
Paul
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They are superb mounts mate. I've had them in a few VWs over the years. The vibration is less over summer and the overall vibration is way lower than urethane mounts.
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I'll be looking at getting a full set of mounts soon. Keep hearing good things about Vibratechnics.
How much would a set cost @Pudding ? Any links?
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Thanks for your reply Pudding I was also looking at the 034 street mounts the OEM look appealed to me but like you i have seen some reviews regarding quality if I go uprated after your comments and reading their website I will use Vibratechnics and AKS Tuning can supply at a good price. My main concern with using uprated mounts is dash rattles they drive me mad how were yours when you had them did you feel benefits out weighed the negatives
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^ Good question. Interior rattles are a pet hate of mine too.
Although I've always associated them with rough roads and/or harsh suspension, rather than resonance coming from the engine.
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you wanna buy a subframe with the vibratechnics mounts fitted to make your life easier :signLOL:
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Has anyone tried the DLI mounts?
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@pudding - sorry if I'm being a bit dull :confused: but, by Febi being worse than OEM do you mean softer? or just bad quality?
Only asking as I have a set in the garage and had been planning on replacing my 114,000 mile old originals.
Thanks
Paul
Bad quality from my experience of them in older VWs. They just didn't last long at all and increased vibration. Do they even make them for MK5s? By all means try them, but I wouldn't count on them being amazing!
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Thanks for your reply Pudding I was also looking at the 034 street mounts the OEM look appealed to me but like you i have seen some reviews regarding quality if I go uprated after your comments and reading their website I will use Vibratechnics and AKS Tuning can supply at a good price. My main concern with using uprated mounts is dash rattles they drive me mad how were yours when you had them did you feel benefits out weighed the negatives
The benefits were a massively improved gear shift (manual) and the engine not flopping around in the engine bay round corners, like a seal trying to escape from a wheat sack. The engine actually felt like part of the car, and not an anvil floating around aimlessly on a couple of bed springs. That initial response when you stab the throttle improves too because the power is put down rather than the engine moving around.
It really does make a huge difference. I've used them on older VWs (MK2 16V Turbo, MK1 16V, Corrado VR6 Turbo etc - so they can handle the grunt) and also a MK4 R32. Wheel hop was zero with the FWD cars. I haven't used them on a MK5 yet, but very tempted to.
The downside is obviously increased noise and vibration. I can't comment on whether that happens in the MK5 FWD, but on the MK4 R32, NVH increased quite a lot, so I would expect the same in the MK5 as the mounting system is identical. The dashboard didn't shake. They were most noticeable at 1200rpm, where the engine felt very coarse and it vibrated the car. Either side of that rpm was spot on. The problem is mitigated with heat (from the engine, and ambient) so it does feel better the more the car is used.
The manual O2M/O2Q gearbox is a noisy, rough thing, so expect a fair bit of noise from that in the cabin!
Some people have different tolerance levels for this sort of thing. If you know increased NVH will bother you, £400 odd is a lot to sink into this, only to be disappointed. So I would say go into it expecting increased NVH from the outset, but it might not be as bad as you thought and can live with it. Going into it expecting no increase in NVH at all will definitely lead to disappointment!
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Sorry @Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) are you talking about the DLI mounts above?
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No the Vibratechnics.
I haven't tried DLI mounts but know of them in MK4 R32 circles in America. Apparently no increase in vibration, but a big increase in noise, which is to be expected from mounts made of metal! Again, they aren't cheap either.
For those not familiar with them, they do away with rubber / urethane completely and use a spring with some steel wool in the middle. Well, the latter is a bit more technical than that, but is essentially what it is :smiley: It's damper material.
(https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/441471617.jpg?mw=1920&mh=1080&q=70)
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Thanks again Pudding for your comments really appreciate them guess I really need to get in a MKV with the vibratechnics and experience the ride as you say its a lot of money to get something that I cant live with or just stick with OEM
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Thanks again Pudding for your comments really appreciate them guess I really need to get in a MKV with the vibratechnics and experience the ride as you say its a lot of money to get something that I cant live with or just stick with OEM
I completely understand that mate. It cost me £450 to shod my old R32 with Vibratechnics mounts, so it's a big investment for something you're apprehensive about.
For comparison, the 034 Motorsport ones are £286 ish from Awesome, but I have a feeling they will feel great for 6 months, and then rapidly deteriorate.
VibraT are a small company, so you will rarely find a good deal on them, unless a supplier can do a group buy and swallow the VAT or something.
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Worth mentioning Vibratechnics also do an upgrade for the other end of the dogbone:
http://www.vibra-technics.co.uk/vw/golf_jetta_bora_vento_mkvvi/666/VAG455B/torque_link_dogbone_bush_small_end
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vibra-technics.co.uk%2F_assets%2Fparts%2Fimages%2Fvag455b_1192.jpg&hash=2b8e6a349e4fbc70944db71f4a0cdfd655425499)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vibra-technics.co.uk%2F_assets%2Fparts%2Fimages%2Fdscf3416_1193.jpg&hash=ed0ccf7b8a248cc856a148480977859af2ccbe0a)
With the bigger bushes upgraded, I've found the smaller (voided) one takes more punishment and wears out quicker.
I would recommend doing both ends of the dogbone with Vibratechnics and new OEM side mounts and see how that works out. That will significant reduce front to back slop and wheel hop, but to improve cornering stability, the side ones will need doing at some point, but they really do add a lot of NVH.
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I'll still considering upgrading my side engine mounts in the future. I have both lower VT bushes and can't fault them. :smiley:
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@pudding - sorry if I'm being a bit dull :confused: but, by Febi being worse than OEM do you mean softer? or just bad quality?
Only asking as I have a set in the garage and had been planning on replacing my 114,000 mile old originals.
Thanks
Paul
Bad quality from my experience of them in older VWs. They just didn't last long at all and increased vibration. Do they even make them for MK5s? By all means try them, but I wouldn't count on them being amazing!
Thanks Pudding - I went and checked and they aren't Febi (I assumed as I bought them from ECP) - they're CORTECO - which are probably just as cr*p!
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Hi :wink:
I've got the dogbone mount and lower engine mount from Vibra-Technics. The engine and gearbox mounts are from 034 Motorsports. I've only recently mounted them and must say it's an improvement. I'll Let you know what it'll be in a couple of months.
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Hi :wink:
I've got the dogbone mount and lower engine mount from Vibra-Technics. The engine and gearbox mounts are from 034 Motorsports. I've only recently mounted them and must say it's an improvement. I'll Let you know what it'll be in a couple of months.
The Street Density ones? How are you finding the noise and vibration? The Vibratechnics dogbone adds a tiny amount of NVH which is livable day to day. How does that work alongside the 034 mounts?
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Yes the Street Density ones :happy2: I must admit that there is an increase in noise but not in a bad way.
For the rest I didn't push it very hard yet! :innocent: I still have to mount my exhaust and get a proper dyno test!
Once that is done I can realy push it! :wink: I'll get back on it then. For now it's all doing its job and the 034 mounts are working allright despide the comments I've read. Could be changing my opinion in the neer future but as I said I didn't push it yet! :wink:
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Any news on the 034 mounts?
Yes the Street Density ones :happy2: I must admit that there is an increase in noise but not in a bad way.
For the rest I didn't push it very hard yet! :innocent: I still have to mount my exhaust and get a proper dyno test!
Once that is done I can realy push it! :wink: I'll get back on it then. For now it's all doing its job and the 034 mounts are working allright despide the comments I've read. Could be changing my opinion in the neer future but as I said I didn't push it yet! :wink: