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Title: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: r5gtt on January 02, 2017, 01:04:57 pm
Would someone kindly borrow me a timing locking tool if they have one so I can do my timing belt and water pump?. Or can I get away without using one as I did a Audi 1.6 New Years.

Thanks
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: ROH ECHT on January 03, 2017, 12:09:02 am
Twice I watched my VW tech use zip-ties when working on mine strapping the cams to the head. I now wish I had gotten vid of the process because it was a slick trick...and he stated the tool is a "Tool".
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: r5gtt on January 03, 2017, 01:11:49 am
Twice I watched my VW tech use zip-ties when working on mine strapping the cams to the head. I now wish I had gotten vid of the process because it was a slick trick...and he stated the tool is a "Tool".
Thanks for your reply @ROH ECHT (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3794)
I wished you had made a video as I rarely use the tools when doing cam belt jobs and have never had an issue yet. Just don't want to damage the tfsi as this will be the first one I've ever repaced.

Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: dazza on January 03, 2017, 12:22:57 pm
Locking tool for changing the cam belt? Just use the timing marks. I did have a cam locking tool used for the chain but a member borrowed them and not had them back.
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: Pesky jones on January 03, 2017, 12:29:32 pm
@tommygti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5865)
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: dazza on January 03, 2017, 12:48:54 pm
@tommygti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5865)

I totally forgot who had them Tom has now messaged me.  :happy2:

Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: rich83 on January 03, 2017, 12:51:42 pm
 :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.playbuzz.com%2Fcdn%2F78856f68-6798-4897-905b-0a87f243bb8c%2Fbaad9453-477d-4dd2-8863-4396a6691157.jpg&hash=69ba4dbbae1d466d03818e026d8dbc6767b198ab)
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: r5gtt on January 03, 2017, 01:42:28 pm
lol I've figured I can do it the same as I did the A3 1.6 on New Year's Day  :signLOL:

Exactly the same principle using the timing marks as dazza said thanks  :happy2:

I think pesky used it and damaged it  :doh: then got it welded and went off to its new temporary home  :grin:
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: Pesky jones on January 03, 2017, 01:48:46 pm
@tommygti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5865)

I totally forgot who had them Tom has now messaged me.  :happy2:

Great, good stuff.


I think pesky used it and damaged it  :doh: then got it welded and went off to its new temporary home  :grin:

Oi its not like I dropped them or something, I just tried to use it as it was designed to be used, and the pins bent! It worked fine after welding, I assume worked fine for tommy as well? If anything you might say I improved the tool  :laugh: :signLOL:
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: r5gtt on January 03, 2017, 01:51:52 pm
@tommygti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5865)

I totally forgot who had them Tom has now messaged me.  :happy2:

Great, good stuff.


I think pesky used it and damaged it  :doh: then got it welded and went off to its new temporary home  :grin:
Oi its not like I dropped them or something, I just tried to use it as it was designed to be used, and the pins bent! It worked fine after welding, I assume worked fine for tommy as well? If anything you might say I improved the tool  :laugh: :signLOL:
lmao yeah but wonder why it snapped off in the first place  :signLOL:

I'm just going to use this method as I've been doing for years and it works well  :happy2:

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135872 That should be a sticky  :P
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: Pesky jones on January 03, 2017, 01:54:56 pm
lmao yeah but wonder why it snapped off in the first place  :signLOL:

Pins bent because the force required to release the adjustor bolt was greater than the resistance of the pins. Simples :)
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: ducman77 on January 03, 2017, 01:58:50 pm
Uh Oh! I just ordered a cheap Chinese one off eBay for this job. What's the Bets the pins will bend!! :laugh:
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: Pesky jones on January 03, 2017, 03:02:49 pm
Uh Oh! I just ordered a cheap Chinese one off eBay for this job. What's the Bets the pins will bend!! :laugh:

Do yourself a favour and get them welded before hand?
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: r5gtt on January 03, 2017, 05:38:23 pm
lmao yeah but wonder why it snapped off in the first place  :signLOL:

Pins bent because the force required to release the adjustor bolt was greater than the resistance of the pins. Simples :)
oh yeah I forgot that you had a pain in the backside of a job to complete  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: dazza on January 03, 2017, 06:20:36 pm
Be interesting to know if @tommygti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5865) used the tool and how he got on.

@ducman77 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7463) do you have the original tool to remove the bolt?
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: dazza on January 03, 2017, 06:33:24 pm
lol I've figured I can do it the same as I did the A3 1.6 on New Year's Day  :signLOL:

Exactly the same principle using the timing marks as dazza said thanks  :happy2:

I think pesky used it and damaged it  :doh: then got it welded and went off to its new temporary home  :grin:
Does your car have the one piece belt cover? Its a pita to get engine mount out i replaced mine with a two piece one.
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: r5gtt on January 03, 2017, 06:40:52 pm
lol I've figured I can do it the same as I did the A3 1.6 on New Year's Day  :signLOL:

Exactly the same principle using the timing marks as dazza said thanks  :happy2:

I think pesky used it and damaged it  :doh: then got it welded and went off to its new temporary home  :grin:
Does your car have the one piece belt cover? Its a pita to get engine mount out i replaced mine with a two piece one.
oh oh  :thinking: I remember seeing a cover to view the belt but not sure if it's a two piece cover. Will have to take a closer look at it tbh.
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: dazza on January 03, 2017, 07:07:59 pm
oh oh  :thinking: I remember seeing a cover to view the belt but not sure if it's a two piece cover. Will have to take a closer look at it tbh.


If its a little panel you remove to see the belt this is the one piece.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2F20150518_120131_resized.jpg&hash=6b47bd6ccf6f1ac7ae83b1c09effd9eced76cc17)
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: ducman77 on January 03, 2017, 07:22:38 pm
Be interesting to know if @tommygti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5865) used the tool and how he got on.

@ducman77 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7463) do you have the original tool to remove the bolt?

Cheers Dazza. Gonna buy that piece genuine from VE. Priced it up the other day. only €9 bargain!

I might look at strengthening the pins before I attempt the job. Cheers all :happy2:
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: r5gtt on January 03, 2017, 07:30:44 pm
oh oh  :thinking: I remember seeing a cover to view the belt but not sure if it's a two piece cover. Will have to take a closer look at it tbh.


If its a little panel you remove to see the belt this is the one piece.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2F20150518_120131_resized.jpg&hash=6b47bd6ccf6f1ac7ae83b1c09effd9eced76cc17)
oh poopies that's the one  :doh:

Come to think of it my TT was a nightmare to get the engine mount bracket out  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: dazza on January 03, 2017, 07:38:16 pm
oh poopies that's the one  :doh:

Left hand side of the mount out first. Jack the engine up as high as you can.
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: r5gtt on January 03, 2017, 07:53:13 pm
I would have uploaded the A3 one I did New Years but this site doesn't allow easy uploading like fb and other sites.  :sad1:
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: tommygti on January 03, 2017, 10:01:12 pm
@dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457) Do you want me to post it straight to him? or is that the address you gave me?

I ended up having to drill the camshaft adjuster bolt out as it had never been changed and rounded off as it was pretty much seized. It was an absolute bitch. My mechanic did it in the end as I didn't have the patience or time. If you plan on doing the job yourself I would advise that you take your time and  preferably get a mate to help you as it can be an expensive job if you f*ck it up like I did. I'l try and find the guide I used as it was very useful. All good now though and running fine. 
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: dazza on January 03, 2017, 10:30:38 pm
@dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457) Do you want me to post it straight to him? or is that the address you gave me?

I ended up having to drill the camshaft adjuster bolt out as it had never been changed and rounded off as it was pretty much seized. It was an absolute bitch. My mechanic did it in the end as I didn't have the patience or time. If you plan on doing the job yourself I would advise that you take your time and  preferably get a mate to help you as it can be an expensive job if you f*ck it up like I did. I'l try and find the guide I used as it was very useful. All good now though and running fine. 

I had to drill mine off also.

Please send it to the address i gave you.
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: Pesky jones on January 04, 2017, 08:59:42 am
I'd say you NEED two people when it comes to the adjustor bolt. Stress the importance to your "assistant" of the socket not leaving the bolt or slipping. I used a 3ft breaker bar to get a good leverage. r5 you're not too far from me, perhaps I could give you a hand if needed?

Pleased to see that the communal tool has resurfaced  :laugh: @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: r5gtt on January 04, 2017, 11:51:54 am
What adjuster bolt are you guys referring too  :thinking:

Cheers Pesky that's mighty kind of you to offer your help.
I wouldn't need that tool unless I was going some head work right?

My mates going to help me and he's also a mechanically minds guy so hopefully will be fine.  :love: :drinking:
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: Pesky jones on January 04, 2017, 12:13:08 pm
What adjuster bolt are you guys referring too  :thinking:

Cheers Pesky that's mighty kind of you to offer your help.
I wouldn't need that tool unless I was going some head work right?

My mates going to help me and he's also a mechanically minds guy so hopefully will be fine.  :love: :drinking:

Oh sorry im confused, thought you were doing the cam chain, in which case you need to undo the adjustor bolt. Ignore me :)

No worries :)
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: r5gtt on January 04, 2017, 12:22:00 pm
What adjuster bolt are you guys referring too  :thinking:

Cheers Pesky that's mighty kind of you to offer your help.
I wouldn't need that tool unless I was going some head work right?

My mates going to help me and he's also a mechanically minds guy so hopefully will be fine.  :love: :drinking:

Oh sorry im confused, thought you were doing the cam chain, in which case you need to undo the adjustor bolt. Ignore me :)

No worries :)
oh I see  :signLOL: no not just yet although that is always on my mind but not mapped yet so the stress isn't as bad as when being mapped and tearing up the roads  :driver:
Title: Re: Timing cam locking tool
Post by: tommygti on January 05, 2017, 10:54:05 pm
Don't hold me to it but it might help to heat the bolt up with a small blow torch or similar before attempting to loosen it.