MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: th3_f15t on January 23, 2017, 06:42:08 pm
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Does anyone know where still does a Garret GTX3071R turbo kit upgrade for the mk5/6 Golf TFSI engines? Regal Autosport used to do one for around £2000 and the only other one I can find is from TSR Performance but that's £4000 although it does look more like a work of art than a turbo upgrade.
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Nortech do one
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I can get the one from TSR a little cheaper if you like, Pm me :happy2:
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I can get the one from TSR a little cheaper if you like, Pm me :happy2:
Replace the word "ring" with "turbo" and you have my exact reaction:
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Haha, in fact I can get the same price kit from tsr as the nortech kit, which the manifold that tsr use is made by nortech anyway.
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Guy on fb is selling one with manifold exhaust and other bits. £1500
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Yeah don't buy that its a Chinese garrett!!
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OH crappers I didn't know
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Yeah a friend asked me about it so I asked the guy.
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Yeah a friend asked me about it so I asked the guy.
he should be asking for £500 then :signLOL:
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He's assured me it's a Garrett non Chinese
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Haha he would say that :grin:
How do these tasty looking tubular manifolds affect spool up on the ickle TFSI? Past experience on other engines showed big gains up top, but made things worse down below captain.
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The TSR(nortech designed) and the Nortech tubular are amazing tbh, and retail around 800. Well worth it on a turbo kit over a ATP or T flanged manifold.
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Haha he would say that :grin:
How do these tasty looking tubular manifolds affect spool up on the ickle TFSI? Past experience on other engines showed big gains up top, but made things worse down below captain.
You bolt a big ol' GT30 sized turbo on to a 2.0l TFSI and there will be no 'down below' to talk about regardless of manifold design :signLOL:
It'll be flat as a pancake sub 4 (ish)k rpm and then be a whole heap of fun right up to the limiter
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Haha he would say that :grin:
How do these tasty looking tubular manifolds affect spool up on the ickle TFSI? Past experience on other engines showed big gains up top, but made things worse down below captain.
You bolt a big ol' GT30 sized turbo on to a 2.0l TFSI and there will be no 'down below' to talk about regardless of manifold design :signLOL:
It'll be flat as a pancake sub 4 (ish)k rpm and then be a whole heap of fun right up to the limiter
Lol, yeah I've seen some of the power/torque curves on the FB group from our European friends running BTs, and yep, not a lot happens until 4500rpm! Which is fine for a 1/4 drag car, but not ideal for a road car.
Nah, I was just wondering how the lag is affected by tubular vs cast with the BTs, but probably a bit academical like you say!
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Haha he would say that :grin:
How do these tasty looking tubular manifolds affect spool up on the ickle TFSI? Past experience on other engines showed big gains up top, but made things worse down below captain.
You bolt a big ol' GT30 sized turbo on to a 2.0l TFSI and there will be no 'down below' to talk about regardless of manifold design :signLOL:
It'll be flat as a pancake sub 4 (ish)k rpm and then be a whole heap of fun right up to the limiter
thats why I always say upgrade the rods or you'll soon be saying hello to rod personally :signLOL:
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Haha he would say that :grin:
How do these tasty looking tubular manifolds affect spool up on the ickle TFSI? Past experience on other engines showed big gains up top, but made things worse down below captain.
you can't really doubt the seller if he's saying it's genuine unless you definitely know it's not :P
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Asked for proof as a friend asked my opinion, surprisingly im still awaiting proof. Regarding spooling at 4500k is not always true, really depends on the mapper, I have 2 very close friends both with the 3071r and they spool at 2700rpm and full boost at 3890, they are both well known via social media and running plus 500. All depends id say on everything. :driver:
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Asked for proof as a friend asked my opinion, surprisingly im still awaiting proof. Regarding spooling at 4500k is not always true, really depends on the mapper, I have 2 very close friends both with the 3071r and they spool at 2700rpm and full boost at 3890, they are both well known via social media and running plus 500. All depends id say on everything. :driver:
Proof of what? I can't really speak for the guy but he probably doesn't know what he's going on about and maybe a car breaker who's trying to sell it. 4500 you sure that's not a typo?.
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Asked for proof as a friend asked my opinion, surprisingly im still awaiting proof. Regarding spooling at 4500k is not always true, really depends on the mapper, I have 2 very close friends both with the 3071r and they spool at 2700rpm and full boost at 3890, they are both well known via social media and running plus 500. All depends id say on everything. :driver:
Proof of what? I can't really speak for the guy but he probably doesn't know what he's going on about and maybe a car breaker who's trying to sell it. 4500 you sure that's not a typo?.
Proof of part numbers to see if its genuine maybe....
3071R doesnt mean much.... there are so many variations of this. GT3071R then maybe 4k-4.5k for full boost.
with a GTX it will be much less spool time... Also what is the AR size as this effect spool aswell
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It's old adage - if something seems too good to be true, it usually is. The GTX3071R must be, what, £1200ish on it's own these days? I paid £1000 for the much older tech GT3582R way back in 2008ish.
Full boost around 4000 is a bit too late for my tastes, but the top end must be insane! There is a benefit in that the car will already have a lot of momentum by the time 4000rpm comes up, so the boost hit isn't so hard on the gearbox, or tyres. And the flow of a GTX is more like a big shove in the back, compared to a spikey little punch.
What can be done with mapping to overcome a physical limitation? Apart from N75, throttle and timing, there isn't a lot really. I've heard of this 'TIV' mapping to speed up the onset of boost, but I don't get it. How do you boost cylinder filling without variable lift and duration? The intake VVT on the EA113 is purely for NOx emission control I thought?
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It's old adage - if something seems too good to be true, it usually is. The GTX3071R must be, what, £1200ish on it's own these days? I paid £1000 for the much older tech GT3582R way back in 2008ish.
Full boost around 4000 is a bit too late for my tastes, but the top end must be insane! There is a benefit in that the car will already have a lot of momentum by the time 4000rpm comes up, so the boost hit isn't so hard on the gearbox, or tyres. And the flow of a GTX is more like a big shove in the back, compared to a spikey little punch.
What can be done with mapping to overcome a physical limitation? Apart from N75, throttle and timing, there isn't a lot really. I've heard of this 'TIV' mapping to speed up the onset of boost, but I don't get it. How do you boost cylinder filling without variable lift and duration? The intake VVT on the EA113 is purely for NOx emission control I thought?
I Agree, only so much can be done to aid spool. people need to remember all the mods to get the best from this setup. the better the equipment added to the car, the better the flow to an extent...
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Asked for proof as a friend asked my opinion, surprisingly im still awaiting proof. Regarding spooling at 4500k is not always true, really depends on the mapper, I have 2 very close friends both with the 3071r and they spool at 2700rpm and full boost at 3890, they are both well known via social media and running plus 500. All depends id say on everything. :driver:
Proof of what? I can't really speak for the guy but he probably doesn't know what he's going on about and maybe a car breaker who's trying to sell it. 4500 you sure that's not a typo?.
Proof of part numbers to see if its genuine maybe....
3071R doesnt mean much.... there are so many variations of this. GT3071R then maybe 4k-4.5k for full boost.
with a GTX it will be much less spool time... Also what is the AR size as this effect spool aswell
I see your point guys does this sound right?
Gt3582r genuine garret item
Boxed brand new never used
T3 4 bolt 1.06 ar
£800
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It's old adage - if something seems too good to be true, it usually is. The GTX3071R must be, what, £1200ish on it's own these days? I paid £1000 for the much older tech GT3582R way back in 2008ish.
Full boost around 4000 is a bit too late for my tastes, but the top end must be insane! There is a benefit in that the car will already have a lot of momentum by the time 4000rpm comes up, so the boost hit isn't so hard on the gearbox, or tyres. And the flow of a GTX is more like a big shove in the back, compared to a spikey little punch.
What can be done with mapping to overcome a physical limitation? Apart from N75, throttle and timing, there isn't a lot really. I've heard of this 'TIV' mapping to speed up the onset of boost, but I don't get it. How do you boost cylinder filling without variable lift and duration? The intake VVT on the EA113 is purely for NOx emission control I thought?
I Agree, only so much can be done to aid spool. people need to remember all the mods to get the best from this setup. the better the equipment added to the car, the better the flow to an extent...
I agree back :grin: Even with the best flowing exhausts and intakes, higher lift/duration fixed cam profiles, head porting, RFD deletes, massive intercoolers etc etc, a turbo will still only do what it's capable of. A turbine wheel can't be forced to spin up faster than is physically possible. Huge turbo, huge lag. Some of those mods are actually counter productive to gas speed and therefore work against you......but because race car....no one really sweats the small stuff, like, off boost responsiveness :smiley: It's all about "Look at my 500hp TFSI". That's lovely, but what about X, Y and Z? And what about the cylinder walls being only around 5mm thick and splitting open from 2+ bar of boost......or maybe it's just me that cares about that stuff :grin:
Interestingly, Audi had to make the 5 cylinder turbo engine for the TTRS out of a special high strength iron alloy for that reason.
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Asked for proof as a friend asked my opinion, surprisingly im still awaiting proof. Regarding spooling at 4500k is not always true, really depends on the mapper, I have 2 very close friends both with the 3071r and they spool at 2700rpm and full boost at 3890, they are both well known via social media and running plus 500. All depends id say on everything. :driver:
Proof of what? I can't really speak for the guy but he probably doesn't know what he's going on about and maybe a car breaker who's trying to sell it. 4500 you sure that's not a typo?.
Proof of part numbers to see if its genuine maybe....
3071R doesnt mean much.... there are so many variations of this. GT3071R then maybe 4k-4.5k for full boost.
with a GTX it will be much less spool time... Also what is the AR size as this effect spool aswell
I see your point guys does this sound right?
Gt3582r genuine garret item
Boxed brand new never used
T3 4 bolt 1.06 ar
£800
Sounds about right. That is an OOOOOOLD turbo now. But still very good. Totally useless for a TFSI though. With 1.06 back housing, don't expect any boost until about 4800-5000rpm!
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Asked for proof as a friend asked my opinion, surprisingly im still awaiting proof. Regarding spooling at 4500k is not always true, really depends on the mapper, I have 2 very close friends both with the 3071r and they spool at 2700rpm and full boost at 3890, they are both well known via social media and running plus 500. All depends id say on everything. :driver:
Proof of what? I can't really speak for the guy but he probably doesn't know what he's going on about and maybe a car breaker who's trying to sell it. 4500 you sure that's not a typo?.
Proof of part numbers to see if its genuine maybe....
3071R doesnt mean much.... there are so many variations of this. GT3071R then maybe 4k-4.5k for full boost.
with a GTX it will be much less spool time... Also what is the AR size as this effect spool aswell
I see your point guys does this sound right?
Gt3582r genuine garret item
Boxed brand new never used
T3 4 bolt 1.06 ar
£800
Sounds about right. That is an OOOOOOLD turbo now. But still very good. Totally useless for a TFSI though. With 1.06 back housing, don't expect any boost until about 4800-5000rpm!
:signLOL: I just wanted to make sure of the right pricing and wouldn't go BT tbh I'd rather K04 mapped tweaked up for decent power and drivability end of. But my mate up there wants to fly in his scirocco :doh: and show off that he beat a tfsi with his IHI :signLOL:
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He would definitely fly up a drag strip, but would get smoked by a Honda Jazz off the lights :grin:
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He would definitely fly up a drag strip, but would get smoked by a Honda Jazz off the lights :grin:
Ayyyyy :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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He would definitely fly up a drag strip, but would get smoked by a Honda Jazz off the lights :grin:
:signLOL: paradox go for it and Ill see you at the lights :driver:
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Simon (toosmiles) has just fitted one on his 6R (you may have seen this on TFSI Tuning FB group). Mental turbo, and purfect for this engine :happy2:
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Haven't really had a chance to look tbh but it must be a beast
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Simon Wood, I built his car :signLOL:. Yes agreed its a great turbo, but way more to be had, we have hit some issues plus no forged internals its capped for now. Saying that it goes like a scalded cat!!
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My GTX3076r must start boosting around 3k and hit hard about 4100rpm I would need to check for exact figures. Starts to tail off around 7600rpm. Not great on 1/4mile without launch control and antilag. Takes far to long to get going.
Stevie.
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BTs do punch a lot harder than a small turbo when it does kick in though, and you get a good 3000-3500rpm worth of decent torque held to the limiter. Unlike the standard units that wither and die off too quickly.
I'm sure I was seeing around 0.5 bar boost on my Stg 1 ed30 at 2000rpm, just for reference, and then 1.7 spike by 3000rprm, and then it gradually starts fizzling out from there. Frustrating! I've gone for a TTE420 to get something in the middle of the two extremes.
I remember when I had a GT35R on my old VR6. It didn't do much until 3500rpm, even on that big old engine. sh*t head flow though. I got wasted by a Honda S2000 rolling into it at 70mph. I was in 5th. He must have been in 3rd or something :grin: But it was a real world example of where being in the wrong gear and turbo lag means a car with half the power can walk away from you :grin: