MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Lovegroover on January 28, 2010, 01:44:46 pm
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As title really i'm looking at all the different remap options and am leaning toward an AMD Map for several reasons (Essex).
-They're relatively near-by for me.
-Their claimed figures are impressive vs cost. (65 Bhp & 70-80 Ft/Lb for £435)
-I've used their products on my S3 and found them to be a good company to deal with.
-I'm not overly bothered about a switchable option - Although i can see the advantages.......
So who's got one on a MkV GTi, is it any good (i.e nice and smooth) and what figures did you get?
Cheers in advance :drinking:
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AMD put the REVO map on my S3, I also use them for servicing. I can't really comment on the AMD map however I can say that they really know their way around these engines and provide an excellent service.
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I had an AMD remap on my (8L) S3 and it was massively smoother than the Revo map it replaced. The service from AMD was great and the price wasn't too bad either. I would certainly recommend it to anyone with a 1.8T. Sorry I can't comment on the 2.0T though.
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Obviously not popular here then on the TFSi :confused:
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fraid not, but doesnt stop you trying out the map :happy2:
can you get a trial ?
If you are happy with previous service then go for it :happy2:
most here seem to run REVO , Superchips, APR, GIAC or CustomCode FWIW with each person having their own reasons
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Hi Lovegroover - I'm loving your forum name :happy2: 8) :happy2: Very cooool.
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AmD used to be considered Numero Uno amongst tuners but personnel changed (the boss emigrated IIRC) and it went downhill and gathered a poor reputation. The best guys who remained later went off and started APS.
Meanwhile, AmD has actively done a lot to regain a good reputation and have recently gained support from Milltek. AmD will be running a Mk5 GTI in this season's BTTC, so they should know what they're doing!
Personally I don't have any direct experience of AmD except from in the old days.
Hope This Helps :smiley:
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i have driven shauns vRS which has the stage 2 k03 map on there(he says 277hp, i say extremely optimistic, 250-260 realisticly). at the time i had bluefin stage 2(they were installing my HPFP at the time) it wasnt as pokey as the bluefin low down but better up the top, which to be honest wasnt an issue when you see how it was running
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i have driven REVO stage 2 K03 TFSIs and shark performance stage 2 vRS and they are both more pokey along the entire rev range than both the bluefin and AMD map. but most noticably is the torque improvment low down
on a side note though, im not sure what supporting mods he had on the AMD car other than the miltek TBE.
how much is the amd map in comparison to revo. they do both there.
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You also wont see 65bhp with just a Remap i don't care what anybody says. I've seen hundreds of RR sessions with stage 1 k03 & K04 cars and no-one has ever gotten that power from just a remap alone.
REVO,APR,Shark etc seem to be the preferred options.
Carl :happy2:
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You also wont see 65bhp with just a Remap i don't care what anybody says. I've seen hundreds of RR sessions with stage 1 k03 & K04 cars and no-one has ever gotten that power from just a remap alone.
REVO,APR,Shark etc seem to be the preferred options.
Carl :happy2:
Do you mean specifically the KO3 and KO4 cars or any car wont see a 65bhp increase? I am currently thinking of getting a 1.4 tsi 140 bhp. REVO states they remap to 205 bhp (stage 1). Is that possible or not then?
Ollie :happy2:
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Not with JUST a remap it isn't.
Think about it thats almost a 50% increase in power. It just isn't going to happen. You will get the torque figure (or thereabouts) but you will not get 65bhp from just a software upgrade.
Carl :happy2:
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Not with JUST a remap it isn't.
Think about it thats almost a 50% increase in power. It just isn't going to happen. You will get the torque figure (or thereabouts) but you will not get 65bhp from just a software upgrade.
Carl :happy2:
What is revo bending the truth then? Is stage one with just a remap and 2 with bolt ons such as intake, ic, exhasut etc?
How can they publish that if it is not true?
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i went from 224bhp standard to 301bhp from stage 1 on dyno dynamics rollers so i think its possible :happy2:
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and yes i think AMD rollers must be quiet optimistic seeings a stage 1 GTI managed 273bhp in december at the R32 meet...
http://www.r32oc.com/meets-event-pics/18153-r32oc-amd-rolling-road-day-13-12-09-mattchaps-4.html
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Im not saying they are bending the truth. They would probably be able to produce some data to show a car achieved those figures with just the software. They only need 1 to have done it to legally be able to say it's possible.
I have spent (like others on here and some a lot more than me) a considerable amount tuning the 2.0TFSi
I have seen hundreds of cars with different maps go on RR and none have ever made the stated power claim with just a map.
For example when i went REVO stage 1 i was using 100 octane fuel as i lived in Germany and i made 237.3bhp and 278lb/ft
REVO quote 255bhp & 285lb/ft. There was nothing wrong with the car, it was brand new with only 5k miles on the clock as i put 5k miles on it to make sure no build issues etc. I never got anywhere near 255bhp until i did the following
REVO Stage 2
EVOMS
Neuspeed Turbo Outlet Pipe
S3 Intercooler
Autotech HPFP
Relocated DV to K04 position.
Miltek CBE
I then got 257bhp and 302lb/ft.
I have seen one car get 266bhp and 310lb/ft on stage one but that had the same mods i have just listed (as i bought most of them off him when he sold it :laugh:) and quite aggressive settings.
You generally get the torque but i have never seen a car get the BHP from JUST a remap.
Carl
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i went from 224bhp standard to 301bhp from stage 1 on dyno dynamics rollers so i think its possible :happy2:
Is that with JUST a map or have you got other mods aswell?
Carl :happy2:
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i went from 224bhp standard to 301bhp from stage 1 on dyno dynamics rollers so i think its possible :happy2:
Is that with JUST a map or have you got other mods aswell?
Carl :happy2:
that was just a map and panel filter at the time. :happy2:
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Im not saying they are bending the truth. They would probably be able to produce some data to show a car achieved those figures with just the software. They only need 1 to have done it to legally be able to say it's possible.
I have spent (like others on here and some a lot more than me) a considerable amount tuning the 2.0TFSi
I have seen hundreds of cars with different maps go on RR and none have ever made the stated power claim with just a map.
For example when i went REVO stage 1 i was using 100 octane fuel as i lived in Germany and i made 237.3bhp and 278lb/ft
REVO quote 255bhp & 285lb/ft. There was nothing wrong with the car, it was brand new with only 5k miles on the clock as i put 5k miles on it to make sure no build issues etc. I never got anywhere near 255bhp until i did the following
REVO Stage 2
EVOMS
Neuspeed Turbo Outlet Pipe
S3 Intercooler
Autotech HPFP
Relocated DV to K04 position.
Miltek CBE
I then got 257bhp and 302lb/ft.
I have seen one car get 266bhp and 310lb/ft on stage one but that had the same mods i have just listed (as i bought most of them off him when he sold it :laugh:) and quite aggressive settings.
You generally get the torque but i have never seen a car get the BHP from JUST a remap.
Carl
I see. Cheers for that Mater. :happy2:
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how much is the amd map in comparison to revo. they do both there.
AMD want £499.95 All in for their map.
And Revo is £499.95 + VAT and switch £50 on top of that if wanted.
Revo is starting to sound the more favourable now just because it's so tried and tested i think. :rolleye:
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I say REVO, of the two choices there.
however you could get the shark performance Stage 1 for the same money and be able to do it from your own with a handset. (same as bluefin) plus they have shown to be comparable to the output of REVO and getting excellent reviews.
a quick search through briskoda will bring up alot of reviews on them. i believe there a few on SCN now as well.
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i have a feeling the dyno figures flatter a little based on their scirocco map compared to bluefin let alone revo
similar gains as NB07 seen on the pirelli with the R word :happy2:
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but you will not get 65bhp from just a software upgrade.
I agree you will not get 65bhp increase off just a remap on a KO3 mate. But I think it's more than possible with a KO4. Even on the dreaded, stingy JKM rollers.. :grin:
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I think it's true to say that ALL the tuners are optimistic with their power gain numbers in their advertising. I can sympathise with them because most Joe Bloggs drivers want max for their money and unfortunately some will choose purely on the number which is advertised. However, the consumer should not be misled and I think that tuners should be more explicit in promoting their wares.
Aftersales service is extremely important. I've seen so many people who have ignored advice and gone for the cheap option to then later change to tuners such as Revo or Shark etc.
ECU's are the brains in our expensive chariots and it's simply not worthy mucking about with anything except the tuners who are known for their high standards.
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I know the last post on this topic was a while ago but I have a MKV with the AMD re-map and a panel filter fitted.
Before the car was 201.8 HP and 220 lb/ft of torque and after it was 260.8 HP and 291.4 lb/ft. The car is running on Optimax also.
I agree the figures may be a but optimistic and will only know when I put the car on another RR but the difference was massive, smooth power but aggressive, it totally transformed the car I could not believe the difference.
The only criticism is a slight dip in power/flat spot? at 3000-3500 rpm when accelerating hard through the gears from 3rd upwards. 1st and 2nd are awesome now compared to standard.
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Would be interested to know how your figures stack up on another set of rollers - got any plans to be visiting any??
Impressive figures anyway and as a comparisson for myself my 8L S3 was 266Bhp & 307ft/lbs on AMD rollers and that was fast as feck (in my opinion) which your Golf is not far from.