Post by: FJ1000 on April 10, 2017, 02:25:56 pm
So, finally got round to getting some brembo 18z calipers and 350mm discs fitted to the GTi up front - however, don't you know it, my wheels won't clear.
They're BBS CH-R's 18x8.5, ET47. The garage think they might clear with 12 to 15mm spacers (they're going to try). However, I reckon I'll smash the arches to bits! That'd be an effective offset of ET32 to ET35. Not sure if I can get away with that, even if I roll arches.
So, I'm thinking about changing up the wheels. What wheels are good for brake clearance? I know the TD 1.2 are considered good for brake clearance, but if you guys have any other recommendations it'd be good to know.
Thanks!!
Post by: colesey on April 10, 2017, 02:32:04 pm
Post by: flashp on April 10, 2017, 02:44:31 pm
See what you think after watching :happy2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JlpS_QDgM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JlpS_QDgM)
Post by: flashp on April 10, 2017, 02:47:05 pm
Hi GuysOZ Alleggeritas have good clearance, one of the only wheels that would work with mine.
So, finally got round to getting some brembo 18z calipers and 350mm discs fitted to the GTi up front - however, don't you know it, my wheels won't clear.
They're BBS CH-R's 18x8.5, ET47. The garage think they might clear with 12 to 15mm spacers (they're going to try). However, I reckon I'll smash the arches to bits! That'd be an effective offset of ET32 to ET35. Not sure if I can get away with that, even if I roll arches.
So, I'm thinking about changing up the wheels. What wheels are good for brake clearance? I know the TD 1.2 are considered good for brake clearance, but if you guys have any other recommendations it'd be good to know.
Thanks!!
Post by: xjay1337 on April 10, 2017, 03:51:57 pm
Certainly I noticed no problems running spacers when I did a trackday a while ago on TD1.2 with 12mm all round.
Many OZ wheels have good clearance, and team dynamics wheels do as well.
Post by: FJ1000 on April 10, 2017, 04:17:50 pm
The issue is that if I go that route, I end up at ET32 or 35 - with 225/40 tyres, with a 25mm drop, which is probably going to end up with lots of rubbing!
I'd rather stay at ET40+ if possible, by switching wheels.
Anyone know if it's just the TD 1.2 that has good clearance, or other wheels in their range too?
I'll have a look at OZ too, thanks for the tip.
Any other suggestions would be gratefully received!
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Post by: pudding on April 10, 2017, 04:33:05 pm
Have a look at this video, 6 mins 40s in he talks about wheel spacers. He has a strong engineering understanding.
See what you think after watching :happy2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JlpS_QDgM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JlpS_QDgM)
It's only an issue if the spacers are thick enough to severely change the SAI (Steering Angle Inclination) and therefore the scrub radius. You can normally feel it as increased steering weight and twitchiness if you go too thick with them.
Don't forget an ET35 wheels is effectively a 10mm spacer :smiley:
If people don't notice any change in how the car feels to drive, then they haven't fecked the SAI up too much and all is good in the world. I would never use them myself. I would push the wheels out with longer wishbones instead, so proper widetrack with the correct SAI :smiley:
Post by: FJ1000 on April 10, 2017, 05:53:48 pm
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Post by: Wolf Burger on April 10, 2017, 08:55:01 pm
Post by: AJP on April 10, 2017, 09:11:04 pm
And yeah, some pics please ☺
Post by: leebes on April 10, 2017, 09:25:15 pm
Garage just called - 12mm spacers did the trick, so effective ET35. On the way down there now, let's see how it looks, and how much it rubs!
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Guess the rubbing will depend on how much you are lowered. I'm on 30mm H&R springs, I have ET35 Pro Race 1.2's, I had rubbing and catching everytime I hit anything which ressembled a bump...which is why I'm running ET45 now!
Good luck though....and lets see these pics :happy2:
Post by: FJ1000 on April 10, 2017, 09:37:14 pm
However, I definitely need to do something as the rubbing is a problem! Barely there when I was driving solo, but then 4 up was a different story!
So, I have to decide now. I really like these wheels, so would be a shame to have to sell. Might try max negative camber (anyone know what that is?) and rolling the arches.
Anyway, pics!
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Post by: AJP on April 11, 2017, 03:35:42 pm
I'd do one or the other. Doing camber as well as rolling the arches will undoubtedly solve it, but the £££ will soon add up. And I think it's something that can be sorted with one or the other - I doubt you'd need both. But maybe a subtle amount of both is the way to go. A bit of rolling... and a bit of camber!
Get some advice on camber - ie how much is too much.
And if you haven't already, have a look at the 'arch screw mod' as the first job.
Car looks lovely by the way.
Post by: FJ1000 on April 12, 2017, 08:26:40 am
I think the arch screw mod may well take away most of the rubbing. Had a feel under the arch and was surprised how far it protrudes!
So I'll probably do that, and forget rolling the arches.
If it's still an issue, I'll look into camber - but looks like the adjustable top mounts aren't cheap!
A bit of GCSE trigonometry tells me that an extra degree of negative camber would give the top of the tyre 5.5mm extra clearance. I need to check the last alignment, but I have it in my head that the camber is currently -1.0 to -1.3. So going to -2.0 to -2.3; which I don't expect would cause too much of an issue with inside tyre wear.
Then there's the labour of fitting the top mounts, and having to get the car aligned!
It might end up easier/cheaper to sell the BBS wheels and buy some OZ Ultralegerras if the screw mod doesn't do the trick!!
Why is nothing car related straightforward!? All 3 cars at home causing me some kind of problem at the moment!!!
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Post by: rich83 on April 12, 2017, 10:10:14 am
Post by: AJP on April 12, 2017, 10:16:11 am
Thanks @AJP !Well if you do things properly (which it sounds like you do) then it's often not straightforward, or cheap.
I think the arch screw mod may well take away most of the rubbing. Had a feel under the arch and was surprised how far it protrudes!
So I'll probably do that, and forget rolling the arches.
If it's still an issue, I'll look into camber - but looks like the adjustable top mounts aren't cheap!
A bit of GCSE trigonometry tells me that an extra degree of negative camber would give the top of the tyre 5.5mm extra clearance. I need to check the last alignment, but I have it in my head that the camber is currently -1.0 to -1.3. So going to -2.0 to -2.3; which I don't expect would cause too much of an issue with inside tyre wear.
Then there's the labour of fitting the top mounts, and having to get the car aligned!
It might end up easier/cheaper to sell the BBS wheels and buy some OZ Ultralegerras if the screw mod doesn't do the trick!!
Why is nothing car related straightforward!? All 3 cars at home causing me some kind of problem at the moment!!!
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Fitting some lightweight 8J et45 wheels makes a lot of sense. Arch rolling always seems a bit of a 'last resort' to me. And the camber thing... it's just more cost (and a potentially clunky ride with pillowball mounts).
Priced well, those CH-R will fly out.
Post by: FJ1000 on April 16, 2017, 09:44:49 pm
The BBS's will be up for sale soon.
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Post by: Adam0604 on April 19, 2017, 08:38:00 pm
You can get to about -3 degrees on the backs.
Also rolling the arches definitely helps, I had to do it with my show wheels front and back, though there is hardly possible to roll the backs as there is basically nothing to roll!
@AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) link for those wide arches you mentioned on 1st page?
Post by: AJP on April 19, 2017, 08:53:50 pm
With adjustable ball joints, but without adjustable top mounts, max you will get is -1.5 degrees of camber on the front.http://srs-tec.de/cars/product_info.php?language=en&products_id=238&XTCsid=e6701
You can get to about -3 degrees on the backs.
Also rolling the arches definitely helps, I had to do it with my show wheels front and back, though there is hardly possible to roll the backs as there is basically nothing to roll!
@AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) link for those wide arches you mentioned on 1st page?
Pretty sure Kerscher also do a set.
25mm extra each side. They'll serve two purposes - getting big brakes in, and... looking badass:
(Although this one needs wider wheels/track)
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Post by: xjay1337 on April 20, 2017, 10:37:06 am
With adjustable ball joints, but without adjustable top mounts, max you will get is -1.5 degrees of camber on the front.
You can get to about -3 degrees on the backs.
I have -2 camber on the front with the Superpro ball joints.
That is the max.
Post by: rich83 on April 20, 2017, 10:47:58 am
Post by: FJ1000 on April 20, 2017, 07:47:49 pm
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Post by: Adam0604 on April 23, 2017, 05:12:39 pm
As above, maybe difference in ride height, or longer ARB is pushing tyres out a tad more? I still have standard FARB myself.
Post by: xjay1337 on April 24, 2017, 11:12:33 am
No idea.
I have subframe deadset kit
Even before H&R roll bars i was able to get nearly -2 degrees.
I think my last alignment showed -2.1 and -1.9 on the front.
i'm getting new tyres so will be aligned again soon I'll share the print out.
I'm lowered but only with H&R springs and i have powerflex press in wishbone bushes (not "anti lift")
Post by: addictivev8 on April 25, 2017, 01:29:34 am
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Post by: FJ1000 on April 26, 2017, 06:26:06 pm
Got to thank you for the tip on neuspeeds.
I've been onto them about these beauties:
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I prefer the design to the OZ's, they come in under 10kg a corner, and they think they'll clear the brakes (going to check against a brake template diagram).
It's a shame I don't have a work trip to NY coming up, otherwise I could bring them back myself haha!!
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Post by: rich83 on April 26, 2017, 06:28:01 pm
Post by: FJ1000 on April 27, 2017, 08:37:11 am
Got this pic from them overnight, the spokes on these wheels are so thin that they clear the brakes by 4-6mm! Loads of room in there!!
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I expressed concern about how long Awesome might take to get these, so they're putting me in touch with an international dealer that will ship to the UK. So, as long as lead times aren't crazy, this looks like a winner!
From what they've said, pretty much their entire range has loads of clearance for BBKs - so worth considering alongside side the more well known OZ and Team Dynamics options.
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Post by: addictivev8 on April 28, 2017, 08:59:48 am
Post by: pudding on April 28, 2017, 09:54:33 am
Awesome only put an international order in once a month apparently, so an alternative importer would be good.
Post by: FJ1000 on April 30, 2017, 09:54:25 pm
How heavy are the RSE11s? I've been rubbing my thighs over Neuspeed wheels for a while now.
Awesome only put an international order in once a month apparently, so an alternative importer would be good.
Sorry - didn't notice the last couple of replies!
The 18x8 is 9.75kg
I ended up ordering through Awesome. They reckon they'll be placing an order with Neuspeed on Tuesday and I should have the wheels a couple of weeks later. I can hold out till then
Ordered the silver ones but still scratching my head whether the satin gun metallic would look better!
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Post by: FJ1000 on May 13, 2017, 12:48:12 pm
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Post by: FJ1000 on May 13, 2017, 01:53:37 pm
(Ignore the lack of centre caps, waiting for some VW ones to arrive)
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Post by: prp74 on May 13, 2017, 02:01:52 pm
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Post by: pudding on May 13, 2017, 04:17:34 pm
Post by: FJ1000 on May 13, 2017, 04:17:36 pm
They're ET45 so I get no rubbing at all. The BBS wheels were ET47, but then with the 12mm spacer needed to clear the Brembos, effective offset became ET35.
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Post by: pudding on May 13, 2017, 04:29:18 pm
Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on May 13, 2017, 04:34:44 pm
Post by: FJ1000 on May 13, 2017, 05:01:03 pm
They fit the arch profiles perfectly mate :happy2: You gonna sort some centre caps? :laugh:
Ha yeah - the wheels accept OEM centre caps, so I'm waiting for some black and silver VW ones I ordered to arrive. Annoying they haven't arrived already.
It'll be nice to drive the car properly- have had to drive carefully, looking at the road for potholes and bumps so the arches wouldn't get destroyed!
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Post by: FJ1000 on May 13, 2017, 05:01:26 pm
Looks really good......but I prefer your CH-R's
They'll be up for sale soon...
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Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on May 13, 2017, 05:07:39 pm
I'll keep an eye out...Looks really good......but I prefer your CH-R's
They'll be up for sale soon...
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Post by: Kai96 on May 13, 2017, 07:07:54 pm
Post by: Wolf Burger on May 13, 2017, 08:45:54 pm
Phone pics...
(Ignore the lack of centre caps, waiting for some VW ones to arrive)
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Looks excellent :happy2: :happy2: :happy2: