Post by: Christiank on April 17, 2017, 10:35:28 am
As the tittle says... Anyone tried out the VWR ‘Cup Edition’ Front Suspension Upgrade Kit with the alloy wishbone and stuff?
(VWR45G5COMP)
Also read that some changed to the Audi TT or the Audi S3 ones - Maybe that's cheaper?
- Couldn't really get if it was a direct fit or the TT ones need some drilling of some kind and the S3 ones is a direct fit..
Any inputs will be great since I'm doing mine a the nearest future :)
Post by: colesey on April 17, 2017, 01:36:20 pm
Post by: pudding on April 19, 2017, 09:30:03 am
No need to spend that kind of money:
Passat B6 alloy wishbones, tenner each on ebay.
Passat B6 ball joints, £46 each from VW.
WALK or S3 console bushes. £150 ish.
Job done.
Optionally you can add Passat B6 alloy hubs as well for £20 each from ebay.
Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on April 19, 2017, 10:35:07 am
You mean the £540 wishbone, console bush, and ball joint kit from Awesome?Do you have part numbers for the b6 alloy wishbones? Ta
No need to spend that kind of money:
Passat B6 alloy wishbones, tenner each on ebay.
Passat B6 ball joints, £46 each from VW.
WALK or S3 console bushes. £150 ish.
Job done.
Optionally you can add Passat B6 alloy hubs as well for £20 each from ebay.
Post by: pudding on April 19, 2017, 10:47:21 am
You mean the £540 wishbone, console bush, and ball joint kit from Awesome?Do you have part numbers for the b6 alloy wishbones? Ta
No need to spend that kind of money:
Passat B6 alloy wishbones, tenner each on ebay.
Passat B6 ball joints, £46 each from VW.
WALK or S3 console bushes. £150 ish.
Job done.
Optionally you can add Passat B6 alloy hubs as well for £20 each from ebay.
Every time I get a p/n off the internet, it's always wrong at the dealer, or VW have changed it, so best bet is to do an ebay search mate. You defo don't want to be buying them brand new. Crazy money.
Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on April 19, 2017, 10:56:32 am
Found a few on eBay, cheapest one is £15 per side(cheap) they're off a 1.9tdi Passat b6 estate....part numbers 3C0407153D, 3C0407153B...You mean the £540 wishbone, console bush, and ball joint kit from Awesome?Do you have part numbers for the b6 alloy wishbones? Ta
No need to spend that kind of money:
Passat B6 alloy wishbones, tenner each on ebay.
Passat B6 ball joints, £46 each from VW.
WALK or S3 console bushes. £150 ish.
Job done.
Optionally you can add Passat B6 alloy hubs as well for £20 each from ebay.
Every time I get a p/n off the internet, it's always wrong at the dealer, or VW have changed it, so best bet is to do an ebay search mate. You defo don't want to be buying them brand new. Crazy money.
Was hoping to match your part numbers with these before I get em...
EDIT: sorry for the threadjack
Post by: pudding on April 19, 2017, 11:15:51 am
Found a few on eBay, cheapest one is £15 per side(cheap) they're off a 1.9tdi Passat b6 estate....part numbers 3C0407153D, 3C0407153B...You mean the £540 wishbone, console bush, and ball joint kit from Awesome?Do you have part numbers for the b6 alloy wishbones? Ta
No need to spend that kind of money:
Passat B6 alloy wishbones, tenner each on ebay.
Passat B6 ball joints, £46 each from VW.
WALK or S3 console bushes. £150 ish.
Job done.
Optionally you can add Passat B6 alloy hubs as well for £20 each from ebay.
Every time I get a p/n off the internet, it's always wrong at the dealer, or VW have changed it, so best bet is to do an ebay search mate. You defo don't want to be buying them brand new. Crazy money.
Was hoping to match your part numbers with these before I get em...
EDIT: sorry for the threadjack
Yep they are the fellas :happy2:
All B6 Passats basically have MK5 Golf suspension, but the Passat being more premium than the Golf, it got Ally arms and hubs instead of steel/iron.
8P S3 got exactly the same alloy parts also, but they get a huge scene tax applied to them.
Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on April 19, 2017, 11:18:53 am
getting them now, they come with the consoles too lol but I'll be sticking my alk on em. Thanks mate
Post by: pudding on April 19, 2017, 11:50:59 am
No worries!
Post by: exodus_ste on April 19, 2017, 12:36:33 pm
Post by: pudding on April 19, 2017, 02:11:02 pm
So whichever B6 passat hubs you get will be 55mm strut?
I believe so yes. I ordered a random pair of B6 hubs from a 2007 random Passat on the bay, and the 55mm VWR spring/damper kit I bought for a MK5 Golf bolted straight in :happy2:
Post by: Christiank on April 19, 2017, 08:08:50 pm
I guess they ones I'll find would be full or old dirt - Got any recommendations on how to clean them up the best way? Since I really don't like putting some fresh bushed and joints to some old dirty wishbone :booty:
I got a LHD mk5 , should I be on the lookout due to LHD or RHD restrictions?
Post by: TAPPY on April 19, 2017, 11:40:35 pm
Ahh.... Thanks @Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733)
I guess they ones I'll find would be full or old dirt - Got any recommendations on how to clean them up the best way? Since I really don't like putting some fresh bushed and joints to some old dirty wishbone :booty:
Have a look at vapour blasting that should get a dirty set cleaned up like new.
Post by: pudding on April 20, 2017, 09:38:17 am
Post by: neilw on April 20, 2017, 11:04:39 am
I got a LHD mk5 , should I be on the lookout due to LHD or RHD restrictions?
You'll need to check, but I think they are the same both sides. You just turn them over. That was the case on my wife's Beetle anyway.
Post by: Christiank on April 20, 2017, 05:50:54 pm
So you wouldn't have any thoughts on buying a pair that has 150.000km? :innocent:
Post by: pudding on April 21, 2017, 09:11:18 am
Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on April 21, 2017, 10:11:32 pm
Yeah they can be a bugger to get off, so most sellers leave them on!They arrived today, needs a good clean lol
No worries!
Weighed them, 3kg each, that's including the console....sound about right?
Post by: Christiank on April 21, 2017, 10:18:53 pm
Post by: pudding on April 24, 2017, 09:29:01 am
Yeah they can be a bugger to get off, so most sellers leave them on!They arrived today, needs a good clean lol
No worries!
Weighed them, 3kg each, that's including the console....sound about right?
I didn't weigh mine mate, but Shodouchi reckoned the steel ones are 4kg and the Passat ones are 2kg, less the consoles I assume. I can quite believe that because when I held both in my hand, the Passat one was considerably lighter!
Post by: Shoduchi on April 24, 2017, 12:51:21 pm
Yeah they can be a bugger to get off, so most sellers leave them on!They arrived today, needs a good clean lol
No worries!
Weighed them, 3kg each, that's including the console....sound about right?
I didn't weigh mine mate, but Shoduchi reckoned the steel ones are 4kg and the Passat ones are 2kg, less the consoles I assume. I can quite believe that because when I held both in my hand, the Passat one was considerably lighter!
That's it. Without consoles since I just needed the wishbones. I kept my PU bushes, front from Powerflex and rear from SuperPro with anti-lift kit. I also bought new Passat ball joints. :smiley:
Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on April 24, 2017, 12:56:14 pm
Post by: Shoduchi on April 24, 2017, 12:58:53 pm
@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) Will the gti ball joints be ok on the Passat wishbones?Yes, but the Passat ball joints will correct a bit the roll centre. You just need to use new nuts for your ball joints. They're one use only, ideally.
Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on April 24, 2017, 01:28:28 pm
Ta@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) Will the gti ball joints be ok on the Passat wishbones?Yes, but the Passat ball joints will correct a bit the roll centre. You just need to use new nuts for your ball joints. They're one use only, ideally.
getting all the bits in before Saturday, just need to order the ball joints then. Hopefully I don't regret going for the black series ALK and front bushings, 95 shore!Purple is 80...
Will have to wait and see if I knock my fillings loose
Post by: Shoduchi on April 24, 2017, 01:34:15 pm
Ta@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) Will the gti ball joints be ok on the Passat wishbones?Yes, but the Passat ball joints will correct a bit the roll centre. You just need to use new nuts for your ball joints. They're one use only, ideally.
Purple is 80...
Will have to wait and see if I knock my fillings loose
If you don't track the car I don't think the Black series is advised... I have road series SuperPro ALK and it has done 4 track days so far. No issues. It has some compliance to lessen a bit the road NVM.
Post by: Christiank on April 25, 2017, 08:20:21 am
@Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) should I just ring up VW and order some now ball joints from a passat b6 or which did you go with? :)
Also is there anything else I need to order before I can get them installed?
Post by: Shoduchi on April 25, 2017, 10:30:52 am
So I'm getting my alloy wishbones from the B6 Passat along with some Audi TT bushes from darkside developments.
@Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) should I just ring up VW and order some now ball joints from a passat b6 or which did you go with? :)
Also is there anything else I need to order before I can get them installed?
Not sure about the TT bushes. I prefer them from SuperPro that I also have in my GT Sport (the ones with anti-lift).
You can see what I did when I made that upgrade with part numbers included here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,95592.msg1079220.html#msg1079220 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,95592.msg1079220.html#msg1079220)
:wink:
Post by: Christiank on April 25, 2017, 11:14:50 am
-Left ball joint: 3C0407365B
-Right ball joint: 3C0407366B
-Nuts: 6x N10332002
These partnumbers will also fit my 3C0407153B wishbones? :innocent:
Post by: Shoduchi on April 25, 2017, 11:52:50 am
Went with the TT/S3 ones since my xar actually will never see a track day. So just trying to improve the ride for some highway trips :)
-Left ball joint: 3C0407365B
-Right ball joint: 3C0407366B
-Nuts: 6x N10332002
These partnumbers will also fit my 3C0407153B wishbones? :innocent:
I don't and won't ever track my diesel GT Sport but I loved the handling improvement that the SuperPro rear bushes with anti-lift gave, without compromising the driving comfort.
The parts listed are used in all Passats B6, so they're all compatible. Your wishbones are just a different revision from mine.
Post by: acko2204 on November 26, 2017, 05:49:11 pm
Both look identical to me 😕
Post by: Shoduchi on November 26, 2017, 06:14:05 pm
Anybody know the difference between these two parts of any..Passat B6 front control arm:-3C0407153B and also found control arm:-3C0407151G which says Passat/Sharan and other VAG cars
Both look identical to me 😕
If you check ETKA you can't find this part number: 3C0407153B. It's weird. They both look the same, so I don't know why the different part number. :confused:
Post by: acko2204 on November 26, 2017, 06:28:10 pm
Anybody know the difference between these two parts of any..Passat B6 front control arm:-3C0407153B and also found control arm:-3C0407151G which says Passat/Sharan and other VAG cars
Both look identical to me 😕
If you check ETKA you can't find this part number: 3C0407153B. It's weird. They both look the same, so I don't know why the different part number. :confused:
I can see both on eBay for sale... I agree both look identical, think I’ve established that the ‘3C0407153B’ is from the Passat B6 running 2006/2010 year so I’m presuming the ‘3C0407151G’ is from the later 2010 run VAG cars but not 100% sure
Post by: acko2204 on November 26, 2017, 06:32:47 pm
Hoping everything fits..I like to do as much homework as possible as I get very annoyed once there with tools if bodying is required :doh:
Post by: acko2204 on November 26, 2017, 06:33:58 pm
Post by: pudding on November 27, 2017, 11:02:40 am
Post by: colesey on November 27, 2017, 01:56:38 pm
Post by: pudding on November 27, 2017, 03:07:18 pm
Post by: colesey on November 27, 2017, 03:45:03 pm
Post by: acko2204 on November 27, 2017, 08:39:14 pm
Not looking for anything to drastic, just a lighter & stiffer standard set up with new ball joints and a good old alignment
Post by: colesey on November 28, 2017, 05:47:05 am
“while the strut front suspension has been adjusted to deliver greater negative camber in an attempt to improve turn-in and front-end grip – it has been increased from 1.3 degrees to two degrees.“
Post by: pudding on November 28, 2017, 11:18:23 am
Post by: colesey on November 28, 2017, 01:07:25 pm
Post by: pudding on November 28, 2017, 02:35:15 pm
Post by: colesey on November 28, 2017, 02:38:49 pm
Post by: pudding on November 28, 2017, 04:24:30 pm
Post by: acko2204 on November 28, 2017, 09:58:02 pm
Sounds like a plan Acko but why not get some adjustable bjs and achieve some more negative camber at the same time? Here’s an extract from today’s Evo roadtest of the optimistically priced Seat Cupra R
“while the strut front suspension has been adjusted to deliver greater negative camber in an attempt to improve turn-in and front-end grip – it has been increased from 1.3 degrees to two degrees.“
Maybe at a later date, them Superpro ball joints arnt half expensive but rightly so as you can fiddle with the camber and tweet set-up 👍🏼
I’ve managed to get both Passat arms at £15 each (eBay) brand new lemfonder Passat ball joints for £27 each (thinking there very similar to OEM) and the SuperPro control arm bush kit for £117 inc delivery BLACKFRIDAY special 😊
So not to bad overall
Post by: acko2204 on November 28, 2017, 10:02:55 pm
Post by: Shoduchi on November 29, 2017, 02:31:17 am
The front control arm rear SALK or ALK is that the same as the SuperPro complete bush kit I’ve just purchased once fitted or are the ‘ALK’s abit more offset to achieve more lift?! I’m still learning unfortunately but will get there haha...
Same caster increase. Just more work to get it well fitted, I think.
Post by: colesey on November 29, 2017, 05:25:18 am
Post by: pudding on November 29, 2017, 09:43:21 am
The front control arm rear SALK or ALK is that the same as the SuperPro complete bush kit I’ve just purchased once fitted or are the ‘ALK’s abit more offset to achieve more lift?! I’m still learning unfortunately but will get there haha...
The complete kit should be the consoles and the front bushes. Rear bushes just move the wishbones out about 20mm, which tilts the whole strut forwards to give you more caster. The front bushes are fixed as per OEM. Did you buy the kit with the complete housings, or just the press-in bushes?
Post by: acko2204 on November 29, 2017, 12:48:07 pm
The front control arm rear SALK or ALK is that the same as the SuperPro complete bush kit I’ve just purchased once fitted or are the ‘ALK’s abit more offset to achieve more lift?! I’m still learning unfortunately but will get there haha...
The complete kit should be the consoles and the front bushes. Rear bushes just move the wishbones out about 20mm, which tilts the whole strut forwards to give you more caster. The front bushes are fixed as per OEM. Did you buy the kit with the complete housings, or just the press-in bushes?
Yeah I’ve just bought the complete bush kit, not the rear consoles for front arm with SuperPro bush already fitted...
Post by: acko2204 on November 30, 2017, 08:54:42 pm
https://m.imgur.com/7w5p4yy
Post by: pudding on December 01, 2017, 09:52:27 am
I think the anti lift press in bush kits have been discontinued as they don't show on SuperPro's site anymore. So you'll need ALOY3273-80K or ALOY3273-90K
The 90K one is stiffer. TBH your kit looks old anyway. The rotating insert is now a stainless steel sleeve, yours are the older poly on poly design.
Post by: acko2204 on December 01, 2017, 06:01:27 pm