MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: r5gtt on May 23, 2017, 10:16:07 pm
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:doh: and without knowing so please don't have a go at me for it :sad1:
Managed to fit them after a bolt snapping in the bracket :doh: BUT
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Brake pads have been shaved to fit so wrong pads altogether which I obviously didn't know about as the description in the sale post didn't state this!!! I've paid £75 quid for new pads too ffs
Discs don't fit as picture shows below unless I've got the wrong parts on my car!!! The balljoint has been touching grounded and ground the F out the inner side of disc and the disc has been shaved off at some point too which wasn't mentioned as I recall the sale post saying no lip in four years use!!
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Were these the unpainted ones sold on here last week?
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Were these the unpainted ones sold on here last week?
yup
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Seems odd they don't fit as he claimed to have had them on an a/s3 iirc? It's like the offset of the disc must be wrong unless you've been supplied the wrong balljoints?
I take it the balljoints are new?
Gutted for you if the discs are wrong.
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Seems odd they don't fit as he claimed to have had them on an a/s3 iirc? It's like the offset of the disc must be wrong unless you've been supplied the wrong balljoints?
I take it the balljoints are new?
Gutted for you if the discs are wrong.
thanks for the replies Richie, yes the balljoints are new but having said that I have S3 wishbones fitted with super pro lift kit so could that be the reason they're touching?. I've no idea which is why I've posted here :sad1:
Ps he did say they were off his S3 and I've fitted or tried to fit them to my gti mk5 and thankfully I was fitting one side at a time so the left side caught it before I got screwed totally whilst driving home this evening :surprised:
Thanks
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Seems odd they don't fit as he claimed to have had them on an a/s3 iirc? It's like the offset of the disc must be wrong unless you've been supplied the wrong balljoints?
I take it the balljoints are new?
Gutted for you if the discs are wrong.
thanks for the replies Richie, yes the balljoints are new but having said that I have S3 wishbones fitted with super pro lift kit so could that be the reason they're touching?. I've no idea which is why I've posted here :sad1:
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Don't think the wishbones would cause it cos as far as I'm aware the s3 wishbones are the same but alloy, if they were longer they would have to alter camber and as far as I'm aware they don't.
I'd double check the part numbers on the balljoints and maybe swap the left hand and right hand balljoints round as they are "sided"
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Seems odd they don't fit as he claimed to have had them on an a/s3 iirc? It's like the offset of the disc must be wrong unless you've been supplied the wrong balljoints?
I take it the balljoints are new?
Gutted for you if the discs are wrong.
thanks for the replies Richie, yes the balljoints are new but having said that I have S3 wishbones fitted with super pro lift kit so could that be the reason they're touching?. I've no idea which is why I've posted here :sad1:
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Don't think the wishbones would cause it cos as far as I'm aware the s3 wishbones are the same but alloy, if they were longer they would have to alter camber and as far as I'm aware they don't.
I'd double check the part numbers on the balljoints and maybe swap the left hand and right hand balljoints round as they are "sided"
ive got the correct one to the correct side as they don't fit the other way round so it's not that, someone did mention S3 wishbones poke the wheel out a little more but not sure myself tbh with you. I wonder of the S3 hubs might make a difference
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I've not done balljoints on a mk5 yet so wasn't sure if they fitted the opposite way. Fitting mine tomorrow.
I've seen folk say the Passat alloy hubs widen the track by 5mm so might be worth trying but it all depends on which part of the hub is wider.
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I'm now stuck as I don't wish to keep forking out on things without being 100% sure what it is!!! These discs are pushed in quite a bit from looking at them so my guess would be the S3 hubs but again don't want to take a chance and getting it wrong. Me and a friend think it could be the wishbone so going to try that first as o still have my old ones in his lock up.
Gosh what a dilemma
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Aye that's the thing mate, you can't really just keep throwing parts it it but having said that Passat hubs are not dear, don't know about s3 stuff.
Trying the cast wishbones is a good start.
Have you spoken to the seller about how he had them fitted?
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So sorry to hear about this, I nearly bought them too as I asked if they would fit my Mk6 R. Hope you can get in touch with the seller.
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Aye that's the thing mate, you can't really just keep throwing parts it it but having said that Passat hubs are not dear, don't know about s3 stuff.
Trying the cast wishbones is a good start.
Have you spoken to the seller about how he had them fitted?
yeah tried to keep costs down and end up spending more in my case :doh:
I'll try the cast bones and will get back to you on this thanks bud :drinking:
Messaged him on his phone and waiting a reply.
So sorry to hear about this, I nearly bought them too as I asked if they would fit my Mk6 R. Hope you can get in touch with the seller.
cheers sanj, I think you're lucky you didn't but them :signLOL: I'm just stupid :stupid: and get fooked over all the time :rolleye:
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Suspect the standard arms will fix it... read plenty of times on S3 pages that they swap to the cast GTI stuff due to more brake fitment options.... Chin up
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Alloy wishbones from a S3/Passat are the same size as the Golf's cast ones. It's the TT mk2 that has wider alloy wishbones. The S3/Passat alloy hubs are also the same size as the cast ones. Just thicker on the inside of the brake caliper bracket.
The S3/Passat ball joint is a just a bit different than the Golf ball joint, making the wishbone more angled. Not sure if that would make any great deal of difference.
The SuperPro anti-lift kit adds caster to the wheels, I don't think it makes any difference to the brake disc clearance.
I had some rubbing with SuperPro ball joints on my MB ML450 discs when almost on full lock, either side, and hard cornering. Grinding the ball joints didn't solve the issue. Reverted to OEM ball joints. Later fitter alloy wishbones and S3/Passat ball joints with no rubbing issues.
Alloy hubs aren't compatible with my Brembo 18Z calipers due to the hub being thicker on the inside of the caliper bracket.
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Suspect the standard arms will fix it... read plenty of times on S3 pages that they swap to the cast GTI stuff due to more brake fitment options.... Chin up
ah sounds like good news to my ears :drinking:
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Alloy wishbones from a S3/Passat are the same size as the Golf's cast ones. It's the TT mk2 that has wider alloy wishbones. The S3/Passat alloy hubs are also the same size as the cast ones. Just thicker on the inside of the brake caliper bracket.
The S3/Passat ball joint is a just a bit different than the Golf ball joint, making the wishbone more angled. Not sure if that would make any great deal of difference.
The SuperPro anti-lift kit adds caster to the wheels, I don't think it makes any difference to the brake disc clearance.
I had some rubbing with SuperPro ball joints on my MB ML450 discs when almost on full lock, either side, and hard cornering. Grinding the ball joints didn't solve the issue. Reverted to OEM ball joints. Later fitter alloy wishbones and S3/Passat ball joints with no rubbing issues.
Alloy hubs aren't compatible with my Brembo 18Z calipers due to the hub being thicker on the inside of the caliper bracket.
Alexvrs said to shave off the balljoints and from what I can see looks like a good idea as you've also pointed out, looking at it it's about 2mm roughly that needs taking off so this is what I'll do as I don't fancy buying more useless parts as the misses will be fretting a shock when my 3 gauges turn out with my Subaru blobeye gauge pod and other little bits I've ordered :scared: :slap: :signLOL:
Super pro balls do rub as Alex mentioned :happy2:
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So sorry to hear about this, I nearly bought them too as I asked if they would fit my Mk6 R. Hope you can get in touch with the seller.
I was going to buy them too but decided I need suspension first as I've got s3 front and rear brakes.
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So sorry to hear about this, I nearly bought them too as I asked if they would fit my Mk6 R. Hope you can get in touch with the seller.
I was going to buy them too but decided I need suspension first as I've got s3 front and rear brakes.
honestly speaking I bought them because of the weight factor compared to other set ups but wish I didn't now. Seller hasn't replied to my messages as he knows he's done someone over so says a lot about his character right there @s3dubbin (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=543) you're a liar and a cheat selling defective goods with damaged, seized pistons, badly pitted pads that aren't even the correct ones NOT mentioned and no mention of this on the sale page!!! I should have realised a bargain isn't really a bargain as there's a story behind them!!! Let's see what the seller comes back with as these were meant to have been bleed somewhat two years ago but two bleed nipples were full of sh** and rust so had to use a drill bit to scrape them out
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Youve done a good job on the painting the calipers!
Didnt think you get it done so soon :happy2:
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I was going to buy these aswell.
But was concerned by how cheap they where spoke to the seller and got he's PayPal details but decided against it in the end.
I was worried about the fit and if they would fit at all.
You've done a great job on the calipers and hope you get it sorted asap.
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I was going to buy these aswell.
But was concerned by how cheap they where spoke to the seller and got he's PayPal details but decided against it in the end.
I was worried about the fit and if they would fit at all.
You've done a great job on the calipers and hope you get it sorted asap.
yeah I did wonder why they were so cheap but as the seller said they came off his S3 I knew they'd fit but didn't know I'd come into these issue :doh:
Thanks bud, got the seals asap and got in painted within days as the wife doesn't like rubbish in the home :signLOL:
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Just read this thread. What a toss pot. Hope you get it sorted bud:wink:
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Just read this thread. What a toss pot. Hope you get it sorted bud:wink:
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The seller messages me on WhatsApp and says
Hardly a liar and a scammer. I have been a member on the forum for 10yrs always giving positive input, helping out and never had a negative comment. A scammer and a liar would not have been as helpful all this time. Done nothing but get back to you with every bit of info I know and kept you up to date with the highest level of delivery. Definitely not the service of a scammer.
Me
I'm just a bit p***** mate, Okay so you've been a member for 10 years and given positive input so where's the truth about the pads being shaved down and all the other issues as you've owned or own an S3 so definitely know what you're doing in terms of modding ??? Wasn't an honest dale was it now? I'm as honest as they come maybe too honest for my own good but have never lied or hidden the truth about anything
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Alloy wishbones from a S3/Passat are the same size as the Golf's cast ones. It's the TT mk2 that has wider alloy wishbones. The S3/Passat alloy hubs are also the same size as the cast ones. Just thicker on the inside of the brake caliper bracket.
The S3/Passat ball joint is a just a bit different than the Golf ball joint, making the wishbone more angled. Not sure if that would make any great deal of difference.
The SuperPro anti-lift kit adds caster to the wheels, I don't think it makes any difference to the brake disc clearance.
I had some rubbing with SuperPro ball joints on my MB ML450 discs when almost on full lock, either side, and hard cornering. Grinding the ball joints didn't solve the issue. Reverted to OEM ball joints. Later fitter alloy wishbones and S3/Passat ball joints with no rubbing issues.
Alloy hubs aren't compatible with my Brembo 18Z calipers due to the hub being thicker on the inside of the caliper bracket.
Thanks Pal :happy2:
I have been looking at some alloy S3 hubs!
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Any updates @r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) ?
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Any updates @r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) ?
Hi Richie, no nothing after my last message so basically must have known about the issues and obviously he knew about the pads!!! Never mind as Karma is there to help me when these type of people do things like this!!
I'm not going to give them back either way as I've spent money on them and replaced and adjusted the issues apart from the fitment issue but will be dealing with that next week when I get back from Birmingham. Thanks for your message mate really appreciate it :drinking:
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Any updates @r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) ?
Hi Richie, no nothing after my last message so basically must have known about the issues and obviously he knew about the pads!!! Never mind as Karma is there to help me when these type of people do things like this!!
I'm not going to give them back either way as I've spent money on them and replaced and adjusted the issues apart from the fitment issue but will be dealing with that next week when I get back from Birmingham. Thanks for your message mate really appreciate it :drinking:
Aye he must have known about the pads but I can't see how they fitted his s3 and not your car with s3 arms :thinking:
Wish I could have been of more help mate. I'm sure you'll get it worked out :happy2:
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Any updates @r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) ?
Hi Richie, no nothing after my last message so basically must have known about the issues and obviously he knew about the pads!!! Never mind as Karma is there to help me when these type of people do things like this!!
I'm not going to give them back either way as I've spent money on them and replaced and adjusted the issues apart from the fitment issue but will be dealing with that next week when I get back from Birmingham. Thanks for your message mate really appreciate it :drinking:
Aye he must have known about the pads but I can't see how they fitted his s3 and not your car with s3 arms :thinking:
Wish I could have been of more help mate. I'm sure you'll get it worked out :happy2:
Thats okay appreciate the messages :drinking:
Yeah a little confused over that too and not sure if the S3 hub or oem gti wishbones would make a difference but not going down that route and ready to grind the balljoints next week :scared:
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Not an uncommon problem. In some AP Racing kits it's actually in the fitting instructions to shave your balls. There's enough meat on them to get away with it. I ran with shaved balls for about 6 years with no probs.
S3 arms are identical in length to GTI ones. There isn't a lot you can do with what you've got, other than ball shaving. You could alter the disc offset with custom bells to push them away from the balls, but that will obviously affect the caliper alignment as well.
I can see why this experience has pissed you off, but it's a common problem. Just a shame the seller was vague (deliberately?) about it.
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:signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: shaving those balls :doh: been doing that's ever since I can remember :thinking:
Yeah that's no big issue tbh, but the pads and other issues makes me :sick: he said he has been very helpful and on the forum for 10 whole years with positive vibes but screw drivering me over was okay no doubt :signLOL: no more messages so he's getting blocked too
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Personally I think you were done. Looking at the state of the calipers and discs, pads etc, plus the fitment problems - it was all fit for the bin really. But still, you did an ace job on the calipers, they look sweet :happy2:
I'm always wary of people selling stuff incomplete. Parts, project cars, 'kits', you name it. There's always a reason for it, and never a good one, so be on your guard in future. Cheap stuff is cheap for a reason :happy2:
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@monte (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=878) had issues with not being able to have the superpro ball joints iirc. (Edition 30)
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I have just spoke to the person that fitted the pads when I was away and he is saying yes he had to take a very small amount off each side of the sliding face as the paint was bubbling stopping the pads from sliding perfectly. But again I said on more than one occasion that the pads were not fit for the track and new pads were needed. Not the wrong pads as said.
Touching the ball joint I have no idea, 100% no idea why I ran these on my s3 and now they are hitting yours, seems it has already been explained. Again I continued to say to everyone please do your own homework for mk5 fitment. As I had to do from TT to s3 and got it wrong.
Bleeding you are saying they have not been bled, 100% they have I went from oem fluid to AP racing fluid I can give you the exact date and mileage from the book.
Pudding the discs did not look like that when I sold them, those look like they have been stored at the bottom of the sea the amount of corrosion on them.
Cheers, Stevie.
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Pudding the discs did not look like that when I sold them, those look like they have been stored at the bottom of the sea the amount of corrosion on them.
No worries, just going by the pics. I don't know the full details of the transaction between you two.
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Pudding the discs did not look like that when I sold them, those look like they have been stored at the bottom of the sea the amount of corrosion on them.
No worries, just going by the pics. I don't know the full details of the transaction between you two.
its quite hilarious that!!! The discs were only taken out the box to check them the morning they arrived and I knew they were used from outset but remained silent till I seen the other issues!!! The rust was already visible and again said nothing as that wasn't my issue and below is what I took when the kit arrived although I didn't take a picture of the inner rust or the nipples as my hands were full and couldn't be bothered to take the gloves on and off you lied about everything imho :sick: thanks for trying to make something like this a joke and maybe you live at the bottom of the sea is why these discs were rusty :thinking:
They sat in the box for a couple of days as did the calipers and then the calipers went off for paint then the discs came out to fit up within the week or receiving them :stupid:
@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) don't believe what others say as the proof is in the pudding :signLOL:
Ps I forgot I took this picture just before fitting them to get the bell measurements so here's the real deal and that's within a week so the rust and lip must have sprung out from thin air then :thinking:
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A close up
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Those discs are scrap.
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Agreed. Plenty of cracks on the outboard surface as well :surprised:
@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) don't believe what others say as the proof is in the pudding :signLOL:
:grin: Nicely done :happy2:
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Those discs are scrap.
i thought so :fighting2:
How am I going to find new discs for the bells???
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Agreed. Plenty of cracks on the outboard surface as well :surprised:
@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) don't believe what others say as the proof is in the pudding :signLOL:
:grin: Nicely done :happy2:
:grin: its true though mate :sad1:
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Those discs are scrap.
+1!
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Those discs are scrap.
i thought so :fighting2:
How am I going to find new discs for the bells???
Contact reyland. Thay can make discs to fit anything. You might have to send them one of the bells so they can measure them
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Those discs are scrap.
i thought so :fighting2:
How am I going to find new discs for the bells???
Contact reyland. Thay can make discs to fit anything. You might have to send them one of the bells so they can measure them
sent them an email 2hours ago thanks @rich83 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=709) :drinking: looks like another £330 ish to waste :slap: :@
Totalling £800 for a set of feckling light weight brakes depending on the weight of new discs :doh:
Selling my Porsche turbo set up though so hopefully bring me back a few quid
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What was wrong with the Porsche turbo brakes?
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What was wrong with the Porsche turbo brakes?
nothing just wanted lighter brakes tbh as those discs are feather weight in comparison to even the oem discs.
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your not far of the price I paid for the front forge brake kit I bought for my gttdi
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Was hoping I could just fit and forget as I've got so much on ATM :sad1: but looks like knobble breath done me over and now trying to blame me for the rust on the discs which came exactly as they are!!!