MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: stugolf on August 01, 2017, 12:27:18 pm
Hi guys

I'm in a quandary, I am currently saving up for either a Mk5 or MK6 Gti, I cannot decided

Mk5 will be cheaper and if I saved a bit more get myself into a ED30

MK6 is more expensive but prices are starting to converge with the MK5

My budget would be around 6k maybe up to 9k, is the MK6 worth the premium? The interior is better and its a bit newer with the TSI engine but is it worth saving for?

Any advice greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: neilw on August 01, 2017, 12:45:41 pm
I think the early mk6's had major issues with the cam chains failing and taking out the engine. Fixable with the updated parts but it'll be a fair bit of money.

You'll get a good mk5 for your budget or a ropy mk6 basically
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: Shoy1980 on August 01, 2017, 12:49:05 pm
Can you really get a MK6 for £9k? I'm assuming it'll be high mileage and low spec?
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: stugolf on August 01, 2017, 01:01:01 pm
Can you really get a MK6 for £9k? I'm assuming it'll be high mileage and low spec?

Seems to be quite a few around the 80k miles area, just under average mileage for their age
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: splashalot on August 01, 2017, 01:35:48 pm
I think the early mk6's had major issues with the cam chains failing and taking out the engine. Fixable with the updated parts but it'll be a fair bit of money.

You'll get a good mk5 for your budget or a ropy mk6 basically

Correct.  Tensioners failed.  There was apparently a revised tensioner fitted at the factory from 2011 or 12 (not sure which) on.  If buying a pre-2011/12, definitely check the revised tensioner has been fitted.

Personally I found next to no difference in the drive experience between mks 5 & 6 GTI, except for the electronic diff on the 6 which allowed better traction at corner exit.  Mk6s have a classier interior (IMO) but otherwise I prefer the looks of the Mk5. 
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: pudding on August 01, 2017, 01:49:59 pm
I always avoid incremental updates and just go with the major release, so that would be MK1> MK2> MK4> MK5> MK7> MK8.   MK3 was nasty and just a MK2 with a new skirt.  MK6 is really just a MK5.5 and the MK7.5 is a superficial make over too, with a couple of improved mechanicals sprinkled on to make the effort worthwhile.

My advice - get the Edition 30, as late and unmolested as possible.  Or keep saving and get a MK7 with the EA888.3 engine in it as it's a proper barn stormer, featuring real VTEC on both cams, among other things.
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: Leco_GTI on August 01, 2017, 02:18:23 pm
ED30.

MK6 is just, just... meh

Down to your personal taste.
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: shoaybmakda on August 01, 2017, 03:31:21 pm
ED30 gets my vote
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: Scottymon on August 01, 2017, 06:54:43 pm
I'd be so wary of the early GTI6, interesting how they didn't use that lump in the 6R - better interior, worse exterior, not worth the premium imho - GTI7, or GTI5 esp with CDL heart
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: Kai96 on August 01, 2017, 07:20:51 pm
I'd be so wary of the early GTI6, interesting how they didn't use that lump in the 6R - better interior, worse exterior, not worth the premium imho - GTI7, or GTI5 esp with CDL heart

+1
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: Sutaka on August 01, 2017, 08:33:03 pm
Another vote here for the Edition 30. I can't think of anything other than a 7R that would float my boat.
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: willni on August 01, 2017, 10:29:30 pm
Edition 30 for sure, but also there's a mk6 GTD golf from Volkswagen in England forget which one look on Das Welt Auto, it has 13 or 16k miles on it and they're looking 12k for it. Has sunroof and leather if I remember correctly
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: GTIEagles on August 02, 2017, 01:55:53 pm
Get an ED35!
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: neilw on August 02, 2017, 03:17:58 pm
Get a 1.4 SE and save up for 9 years and then get a Club Sport 50 lol
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: pudding on August 02, 2017, 04:37:13 pm
Clubsport 50 will likely be full electric......and waaaaay faster than any current Golf  :smiley:
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: willni on August 02, 2017, 05:51:40 pm
Clubsport 50 will likely be full electric......and waaaaay faster than any current Golf  :smiley:

Been watching Tron again?  :signLOL:  and a renault zoe dragged raced me in my daily yesterday (85 bhp polo) the zoe is very quick...to 40
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: neilw on August 02, 2017, 06:23:58 pm
Clubsport 50 will likely be full electric......and waaaaay faster than any current Golf  :smiley:

Been watching Tron again?  :signLOL:  and a renault zoe dragged raced me in my daily yesterday (85 bhp polo) the zoe is very quick...to 40

Have you see the Zoe concept with 450bhp, theres some vids of it on YouTube
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: willni on August 02, 2017, 06:29:15 pm
Clubsport 50 will likely be full electric......and waaaaay faster than any current Golf  :smiley:

Been watching Tron again?  :signLOL:  and a renault zoe dragged raced me in my daily yesterday (85 bhp polo) the zoe is very quick...to 40

Have you see the Zoe concept with 450bhp, theres some vids of it on YouTube

Better someone else than me I don't think it would be stable at all they're a large go-kart at most.
although that's one away to end up over a hedge or two;

Officer - "How'd did you end up over the headge sir"
Driver - "I was playing with my Electric French Pocket rocket"
Officer - "That's enough sir, I think you need to come with me to the station"

 :signLOL:
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: neilw on August 02, 2017, 06:31:54 pm
haha

Here it is

Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: grey golfster on August 02, 2017, 10:52:41 pm
haha

Here it is



Range = 20 miles ????  :signLOL:
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: Tazocin on August 02, 2017, 11:09:03 pm
haha

Here it is



Impressive numbers but the sound would irritate me so much (or rather the lack of proper sound  :smiley:)
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: cossielee on August 02, 2017, 11:09:13 pm
I always avoid incremental updates and just go with the major release, so that would be MK1> MK2> MK4> MK5> MK7> MK8.   MK3 was nasty and just a MK2 with a new skirt.  MK6 is really just a MK5.5 and the MK7.5 is a superficial make over too, with a couple of improved mechanicals sprinkled on to make the effort worthwhile.

My advice - get the Edition 30, as late and unmolested as possible.  Or keep saving and get a MK7 with the EA888.3 engine in it as it's a proper barn stormer, featuring real VTEC on both cams, among other things.
which mk7s came with that engine then bud
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: pudding on August 03, 2017, 01:39:20 pm
I always avoid incremental updates and just go with the major release, so that would be MK1> MK2> MK4> MK5> MK7> MK8.   MK3 was nasty and just a MK2 with a new skirt.  MK6 is really just a MK5.5 and the MK7.5 is a superficial make over too, with a couple of improved mechanicals sprinkled on to make the effort worthwhile.

My advice - get the Edition 30, as late and unmolested as possible.  Or keep saving and get a MK7 with the EA888.3 engine in it as it's a proper barn stormer, featuring real VTEC on both cams, among other things.
which mk7s came with that engine then bud

MK7 R and GTI PP I believe.  Probably others within the VAG group too, S3 etc.

Engineering Explained / Humble Mechanic used this VW head in their variable cam video -
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: Shoduchi on August 03, 2017, 01:44:41 pm
The mk7 GTI has the same engine as the mk7 GTI PP, with an IHI IS20 turbo. The mk7 GTI Clubsport, mk7 GTI Clubsport S, mk7 R all share the same engine with reinforced internals and an IHI IS38 turbo.

The VTEC should be available in both versions, I think. The mk7 GTI and mk7 GTI PP just have a bit weaker engine, but AFAIK, it can handle up to 500 BHP.
Title: Re: MK5 or Mk6
Post by: pudding on August 03, 2017, 02:09:02 pm
A good video here showing the difference cam adjustments can make on DI Turbo engines.  Good info about DI in general too.....  far from the black art some tuners make it out to be  :happy2: -