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Title: Liverpool FC
Post by: Mk5 GTian on August 23, 2017, 04:47:16 am
Any other Reds on here?

It's been disappointing not to get Kieta and Van Dykk in this window but I'm quite impressed with the three we have signed. Salad has incredible skill and pace, although
His finishing has been off in his first Premiership games.

Solanke looks a great buy for next to nothing and I can see him leap frog the disappointing Origi this year. Andy Robertson looks capable of filling the left back vacancy after a superb debut v Palace.

It looks like we'll keep Coutinho, and I'd like to see us in for Draksler and Howedes. It would be a decent window then. If we get VVD that would be brilliant and then get Kietta next summer when his buy out clause is active.

Who would you like to see come in and who can you see realistically come in!?!?

YNWA!
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: AJP on August 23, 2017, 05:43:24 pm
I think the Coutinho thing is almost inevitable - he'll go. The problem is, if for some reason the deal falls through that leaves us with a potentially unhappy player. And with the deal becoming drawn out, we're leaving it late to find a good replacement if he does go.

Robertson does look good, I agree. Solid crossing and looks to have the ability to get back and actually defend when it's needed, which some of our recent LBs have stuggled with.

Seems we soured any chance of signing Van Dijk with the improper approach during the summer. A few other clubs are sniffing round him too.

Overall I'm disappointed, in terms of transfers. There isn't much time left. Assuming the unthinkable doesn't happen tonight, we've got Champions League matches to commit to, which we didn't last season. If there was any time to really bolster the squad it was this summer.

All we need is a couple of long term injuries and things start to look very tough on paper.

Being optimistic, if Sturridge can manage to stay fit for a while (long shot, I know), then we can at least expect a few goals from him.

I just don't get the feeling we've moved forward much in terms of intent.

Time will tell, and I'll love the reds through thick and thin, but we could be in for a rocky ride unless the blazers really get their act in gear before the end of the window.

YNWA!
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: Mk5 GTian on August 24, 2017, 05:56:51 am
Yes I agree we haven't bought well again. Our scouting system is very poor. Southampton have gone and bought a new centre back under the radar. No doubt he'll be excellent and worth £50m plus in a year!
Why aren't we finding and buying this type of player for sensible money?

On a brighter note we were awesome in attack last night. Some truly great goals. I think we're absolutely full of goals now, and we have strengthened in terms of wide players which will help us when the lesser teams park the bus. So many times last year we were trying to play ticky tacky through the middle and it was too congested to get through. The best way to stretch these teams open is to use width to create space. If Coutinho can be integrated back in, and I think he can, he can become one of the best playmakers in World football by playing deeper. He will assist more and score more, as most of his goals are outside or on the edge of the box. He was brilliant in this role at the end of last season. He will get his dream move to Barcelona, but I hope we stand firm and get another year or two out of him first.

But why was Moreno playing after Robinson did so well v Palace? He is a liability and is so often caught out of position leaving us vulnerable on the left flank. Some Liverpool fans I was talking to in the pub agreed with me that he should be played as an attacking midfielder. He is very creative and causes problems for the oppo but he just isn't a defender. He hasn't got the mindset of defend first. I still think Klopp should drop his pride and try and reintroduce Sakho into the squad. He's arguably our best defender. Whatever happens we need more leadership and organisation in defence. The amount of times attackers aren't challenged and end up with a free header on goal is very worrying. It happened again last night. What's wrong with good old fashioned man to man marking?

Let's hope we have a good week, get a decent group in tonight's draw and 2 or 3 quality players before the window shuts. And keep Coutinho!!!

YNWA!
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: AJP on August 24, 2017, 12:25:09 pm
We proved last night that we can attack fluently without Coutinho. Mane and Firminho in particular linked up really well, so that was encouraging. Question is, can we do that against all teams, without Coutinho. I'd love him to stay. I hope you're right!

Defence, surprise surprise, not good. The Waford game, and last night, were really telling. If we don't sort that out I think we're in store for plenty of nervy games.

Looking forward to the draw this evening!
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: shaunK on August 25, 2017, 08:39:01 am
 A huge positive I'm taking so far is the fact that Crystal Palace sat back and defended like so many teams did against us last year but we managed to find a way through. If that game plans would've worked again last week you could see most PL teams trying it again this year. Happy with the CL draw but probably would've preferred a Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern in the group to add some spice to it.

I don't see them letting Coutinho go now and glad they have dug in their heals to prove they won't be bullied, as for his attitude now thats something Klopp will have to address and quick.

Also need to ditch Zonal marking and quick, I've never seen it work with any team.   
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: berg on August 25, 2017, 12:52:52 pm
I'm a red - heard from "reliable" source that Keita has been searching for a house in Formby, but guess that doesn't mean he will come in this window - could have gentleman's agreement to come next summer for £48 million, but of course no guarantee would be able to offer him CL next year.

Think United looking good for title this year unfortunately. Think Spurs might struggle a bit with playing at Wembley away teams will all raise their games and atmosphere wont be as intimidating as the Lane. So like to think we can still finish 4th again if no higher but if we got in VVD and Keita/Ox then who knows could push for higher than 4th.
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: AJP on August 27, 2017, 06:23:58 pm
Great win. Arsenal looked very average, but we made it count. We weren't terrible in defence either.

Mo Salah played a blinder. He's got some real pace and unlike a former quick player that got a red yesterday, good composure.

Whole team did the job today. Very happy!
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: shaunK on August 27, 2017, 10:00:14 pm
Great win. Arsenal looked very average, but we made it count. We weren't terrible in defence either.

Mo Salah played a blinder. He's got some real pace and unlike a former quick player that got a red yesterday, good composure.

Whole team did the job today. Very happy!

Not taking anything away from todays performance was top class but the top teams don't worry me and thats the worry.
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: AJP on August 28, 2017, 01:51:56 pm
Great win. Arsenal looked very average, but we made it count. We weren't terrible in defence either.

Mo Salah played a blinder. He's got some real pace and unlike a former quick player that got a red yesterday, good composure.

Whole team did the job today. Very happy!

Not taking anything away from todays performance was top class but the top teams don't worry me and thats the worry.
I think under Rodgers that was slightly more the case than with Klopp. But I agree, there's still the odd game where we either underestimate a team that we should be beating with a clean sheet, or we're simply not composed enough up to the whistle - and we drop points. A proven defender or two before the end of the window should strengthen us in those games.

We're going into the international break with the best possible confidence though. Big game away against City to prepare for.

It's nice to hear a bit less of the Coutinho situation in the press, too. The team needs to carry on what they're doing without the distraction of media fanfare, and of course if we can keep on winning - and specifically, attacking effectively - without Coutinho, it's less of a burden. We'll just have to see what happens over the next few days.
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: AJP on August 28, 2017, 01:55:11 pm
I'm a red - heard from "reliable" source that Keita has been searching for a house in Formby, but guess that doesn't mean he will come in this window - could have gentleman's agreement to come next summer for £48 million, but of course no guarantee would be able to offer him CL next year.

Think United looking good for title this year unfortunately. Think Spurs might struggle a bit with playing at Wembley away teams will all raise their games and atmosphere wont be as intimidating as the Lane. So like to think we can still finish 4th again if no higher but if we got in VVD and Keita/Ox then who knows could push for higher than 4th.
United are indeed looking good. It's early days, but they seem to be close to the complete package this season. I hate to see them winning, but I'll admit, they probably have quite a few more goals in them this season.
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: AJP on August 30, 2017, 08:51:04 pm
Looks like we've got the Ox.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11012999/liverpool-agree-deal-for-alex-oxlade-chamberlain-with-arsenal
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: berg on September 04, 2017, 02:02:33 pm
Citeh at the weekend, Im picking Arsenal for my last man standing at work as its started again as someone won it already!

Hope to get at least a draw at the weekend
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: AJP on September 04, 2017, 06:10:47 pm
Citeh at the weekend, Im picking Arsenal for my last man standing at work as its started again as someone won it already!

Hope to get at least a draw at the weekend
A point would be ok, and entirely likely, although I'd love us to pan them. We'd gain more than 3 points - in confidence and the fear factor. If we can attack like we have been, there will be goals, but I think our defence might need to be a bit sharper against City.

It'll be interesting to see if Coutinho gets any time. On the one hand, any mid/forward should theoretically struggle to get straight into this team, but I'm sure Klopp doesn't want to create a situation where he might feel excluded. It's not all on Klopp, of course - Coutinho now has to win back a bit of trust and love from the fans. Only a bit, though. The whole thing can be easily forgiven if he puts the work in and does what he does best.
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: shaunK on September 09, 2017, 10:17:05 pm
Day to forget, haven't watched the game but shows how much our game reliant on attack.
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: AJP on September 10, 2017, 08:31:49 pm
Day to forget, haven't watched the game but shows how much our game reliant on attack.
Didn't watch it either mate. One of those days I was gutted to be working, but didn't feel the need to catch the highlights in the evening. My manager is a City fan. He was actually quite reserved in asking me if I knew the score at various times through the afternoon
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: shaunK on September 19, 2017, 10:05:38 pm
Only caught the second half tonight but it seems to be going from bad to worse. The most frustrating part is that it seems to be the same problems every game that just don't seem to be getting addressed. Also hope he just needs time to adjust as I rated him at Arsenal but Oxlade-Chamberlain is looking like a complete waste of money so far. Great to see Ings back though and Woodburn done ok again, only real high lite fort me tonight.
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: Manny_ED30 on September 20, 2017, 04:52:20 pm
Defense. Defense & Midfield. Attacking wise, we're the best in the league, miles ahead of Chelsea, Arsenal & Spurs. Utd & City close though. The Ox will come good, people need to understand, Arsene Wenger doesn't get his players playing with no where near as much discipline as Klopp does. - Ox will get used to this and adjust, he has the potential and talent! We still need that anchor midfielder though, that work horse as most would call it. Henderson is no good 75% of the time and when come up against top level opposition, he looks levels off. No idea how Lovren is still at LFC let alone a top 4 team. Get a proper CB in and Matip improves massively too. Andy Robertson needs to play more and with game rhythm he'll improve massively. I think after watching last night, the one thing that got to me was how bad Flanno played - he had a great 18 months before Klopp came but then was hit by injury & Klopp hasn't showed any faith in his abilities since and this has potentially ruined a solid young player who was defensive minded and just what we need!
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: AJP on September 20, 2017, 06:43:25 pm
I'm left wondering how we'd have performed in these games had the mauling at City not happened. There's got to be a loss of confidence at some level.

Ok, we fielded a different team, and it didn't work. But like you say Manny, it's the same old problems, whoever is on the pitch. Something deep-rooted needs to change.

I've got faith in Klopp. He's got pedigree. But I'd like to think it's not beyond him to coach a better idea of defence into the whole squad. We lost out on at least one proven defender, and that does make a difference, but surely we can do better than this with what we've got.

Time will tell.

YNWA.
Title: Liverpool FC
Post by: Mikemwqf on October 10, 2017, 08:54:59 pm
I think youll find Manchester City won it rather than the other 19 teams lost it.
Liverpool ran them the closest and took it to the last game of the season.
No shame in that.
One defeat since the turn of the year.
A breath of fresh air
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: shaunK on October 22, 2017, 08:26:28 pm
Taking nothing away from Spurs because they looked awesome today but Liverpool were wofefull once again. To go from winning 7-0 (even if it was against a small team) to that was just embarrassing. I like Klopp but I’m getting a litttle fed up with his stubbornness. How Lovren and Mignolet are making the team at the moment is beyond me.

Rant over put the loss behind us and concentrate on the next game now.
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: berg on December 18, 2017, 12:57:04 pm
So Arsenal on Fri, tough game, can see any result being a possibility with those two teams!
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: shaunK on December 26, 2017, 09:47:35 pm
Eating my words now about Oxlade-Chamberlain
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: AJP on December 27, 2017, 05:55:55 pm
Apparently a £75m bid for a certain defender has been accepted...
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: berg on January 02, 2018, 01:48:13 pm
I dont think Klavan is worth 75 million, but if Barca want to pay it let them  :grin:
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: shaunK on January 06, 2018, 10:20:26 pm
Am I the only one struggling to get my head round the timing of this sale of Coutinio? If Liverpool haven't got a replacement lined up I cannot not understand why they didn't wait until the summer.
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: LeonHam on January 07, 2018, 10:32:15 am
I dont think Klavan is worth 75 million, but if Barca want to pay it let them  :grin:

That's an insane figure for a defender if you ask me. Under transfer blunder from Liverpool. Sadly, we're used to them.
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: Manny_ED30 on January 07, 2018, 10:37:44 am
I think they tried everything they could to keep him there. Even offered him a wage increase and captaincy. Ideal situation was to have an agreement for the summer but he was just being stubborn and even paid some of his own money to help the deal - says a lot really. The problem we have is that now he's gone for such a big fee,  prices inflate for any player we show interest in. But it's good business and helps balance the books but lets hope this means FSG then say we can go invest a large chunk of the 145m in player(s).
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: shaunK on January 22, 2018, 09:55:42 pm
Ha ha only we could beat Top of the league then lose to bottom of the league the next week. Fingers crossed we see the same reaction that we seen after the spurs loss
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: berg on April 25, 2018, 12:15:16 pm
only us could collapse after being 5-0 ha

still confident of getting to final and after that who knows what can happen
Title: Re: Liverpool FC
Post by: berg on May 14, 2018, 04:47:50 pm
Butland to sign

Fekir maybe? Jorginho? Pulisic?