MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Christiank on September 07, 2017, 05:53:32 pm
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Hey.
Read a few places that it's possible to use the rear hub from EOS, scirocco, passat, tiguan and Audi TT on our MK5 Golfs.
Anyone changed the rear hubs?
I will change my front ones this weekend to new ones from a Passat.
Can't seem to find any threads on forums saying more that it is possible but nothing about if you need to change anything else, ride experiece etc etc....
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I'm sure some of the control arms are alloy too on those cars?
I've shaved 7kg from each corner at the front with the Passat stuff and coilovers, so I'd be interested in doing the rear conversions too :smiley:
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@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733)
according to this thread and post 8 or 9 it should be possible to do.
http://clubgti.com/showthread.php?232250-Mk5-Golf-Jetta-Suspension-Upgrades-OEM-and-Aftermarket
Just to bad you can't see pictures anymore. I'm sure it'll fit but I'm also interested in knowing the fit with 18'' wheels - I'm using spacers atm, maybe I can skip those with the alloy rear hub?
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Looking at these pics, it would seem the Passat and MK5 rear parts are the same, but you can see the Passat bearing housing is alloy. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-PASSAT-B6-SALOON-2-0-TDI-REAR-SUSPENSION-HUB-REAR-RIGHT-O-S-/171913656844
The control arms look to be steel like the GTI's, so I'm not sure there would be as much to gain compared to the front parts?
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I think the only gain is the weight saving you'll get
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What I mean is the weight saving gain at the back is much smaller compared to the front. Would we notice it?
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What I mean is the weight saving gain at the back is much smaller compared to the front. Would we notice it?
If you can save some weight I think It'll be worth it when the parts isn't more exspensive than it is? :) I think I will order these for each side and give it a go at some point when I got some time to fizzle with it :pomppomp:
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Yeah true. Less weight means the dampers and springs have less work to do :happy2:
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Yeah true. Less weight means the dampers and springs have less work to do :happy2:
Exactly @Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) . Tried fit my front alloy hubs and wishbones today. Didn't get to finish to job since I didn't had the correct bolts to the brake caliper carrier. The alloy hub is way thicker than the stock one so couldn't re-use the old ones..
Hopefully they have it as stock item at the dealers tomorrow
Will wait putting on my rear susspension untill I get the rear hubs home and cleaned. :)
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Yeah the 21mm carrier bolts are a lot longer. I hope you got the bigger shouldered nuts for the ball joint and the track rod end?
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Yeah true. Less weight means the dampers and springs have less work to do :happy2:
Exactly @Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) . Tried fit my front alloy hubs and wishbones today. Didn't get to finish to job since I didn't had the correct bolts to the brake caliper carrier. The alloy hub is way thicker than the stock one so couldn't re-use the old ones..
Hopefully they have it as stock item at the dealers tomorrow
Will wait putting on my rear susspension untill I get the rear hubs home and cleaned. :)
Hi, I fitted S3 alloy front hubs yesterday and had the same issue with the bolts.
What bolts are you going to get as from looking online the S3 seems to use guide pins which just have a thread at the end.
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As already stated, you need the Passat/S3 21mm caliper carrier bolts x4, and Passat/S3 18mm shouldered nut x 4.
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I did replace all bolts and nuts while I was at it. Don't like putting old stuff back on when it's been off the car hehe.
@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) did you expirence any problems with the brake disc isn't centered in the caliper holder? Mine is grinding on the back side of the disc now.. Just had a VW mechanic doing the alignment to the front wheels as I will wait doing my rear susspension when I get the rear hubs. He couldn't really tell me why the disc isn't centered? :confused:
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I did this mod a while ago and shared my experience with @Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) before he got his together. What you describe sounds like a potential issue with the hub bearings as the disc and caliper carrier are your originals. Did you use genuine/oem bearings?
I fitted new genuine bearings to mine and everything aligned first time in regards to the disc, caliper and carrier.
@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) is correct on the new carrier to alloy hub bolts, the Passat/S3 bolts are longer as the alloy is thicker than that of the original cast steel hubs. You also need the correct track rod end nuts and the ball joint nuts with the shoulders to stop the steel insert in the alloy hub pulling through.
Hope this helps.
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I did change my wheel bearings with new SKF ones. However I think these are the issue? - But again never done this before and I'm not a mechanic hehe.
You think it's the wheel bearings that is making this issue? SKF normally makes pretty good parts.
I did screw all new nuts and bolts to this when I did the assembly of all the new parts :)
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Just thought about it.... I've putted on new MK5 bearings to the Passat hub. - should this be replaced with a new Passat bearing instead? Maybe that's why my rotor is rubbing on the caliper carrier
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Passat and Golf bearings are the same, but I put new Golf ones in from the dealer (made by FAG) and had no problems with the carrier/disc alignment.
The only thing I can think of is either the bearing isn't fully seated into the hub, not tightened down sufficiently, or the bearing is wrong. I assume we're only talking a few mm or so out and it's just rubbing?
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Okay.. The bearings have been mounted by another VW mechanic that I had the first deal with to put on all my stuff. So guess they should be okay?
Yeah it's only e few mm, looks like the caliper carrier isn't sitting 100% tight to the hub, think I'll have to grand abit on the carriers to make room so they can be tightened to make the gap disapeer. However the gap I have is no where near enough to make the rotors/discs centered in the carrier?
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How much approximately is it out - 3, 5, 10mm? Have you got the carrier mounted on the right side of the alloy hub lobes?
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Think its 5mm or more. Can't remember how much it was... Been sitting in the tattoo chair for aprox 8 hours today so can't really remember anything from yesterday xD Ha!
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This all sounds very strange. I think we need some pics!
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Just what I was thinking - 5mm is quite a bit out of line!
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Will try get some pictures of it when I have some time to work on the car :) Will be busy next week or so.
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I have fitted S3/Passat alloy hubs to the front along with wishbones and SALK (now swapped out for Superpro arms and ALK). I fitted them when I upgraded my AP coilovers to KW. Its alot easy to assemble the complete strut+hub and offer it up. I also came across the issue with the longer bolt and nut for the ball joint. Learnt the hardway.
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Ive got a set of passat rear alloy hubs to go on over the next week so I will keep you updated. It doesn't appear there will be any fitment issues bar one longer bolt than standard (similar to the fronts due to the required thickness of the hubs compared to steel versions). Ive compared them to a set of steel ones I have laying around and they look slightly wider than standard so that might increase the rear track slightly.
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Looking forward to seeing how you get on - could do with another mechanical project to get stuck into... :party: