MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: shaunK on September 18, 2017, 10:59:25 pm
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Hi all, just wondering if anyone can help me diagnose a niggling issues I'm having. I've changed gearbox and side engine mounts for Revo items and fitted a powerflex insert to the rear mount existing standard mount (car is 90,000 2005 and I have no reason to doubt that its the original mount). Trouble is I can still 'feel' an amount of movement when suddenly accelerating or breaking. Does this sound like the rear mount is gone? Anything else it could be?
If it is the mount I read that the subframe plate needs to be dropped, the old mount pressed out and the new one pressed in and the alignment will need to be done. 100% need to pressed or is there a way of doing it without one?
Many thanks for any info
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This is a nice bit of kit
http://www.lasertools.co.uk/product/6250
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Subframe will need to be dropped to install the new mount.
Then more then likely you end up with subframe movement,
You could try new subframe bolts or go get a deadest kit like tyrol
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You can still get a fair amount of movement with uprated engine mounts....but it sounds like you would benefit from a better dogbone. You can also fit the Vibratechnics small end bush too and have all 4 uprated. You might hate yourself for doing so if you sit in traffic regularly, mind :grin:
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I'm having he same issue with my dog bone, the smaller bush has split causing it to jerk!. I've ordered a new poly bushes one from china :star: :signLOL:
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Where are these located?? I thought there were only three mounts is there a forth?
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2 x Shoulder mounts
1 x pair of large dogbone bushes (in the subframe)
1 x small dogbone bush (in the dogbone itself, attaches to the gearbox).
The small one is voided for compliance and can cause a little jerking coming off the throttle.
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Subframe bushes and here's the dog mount sticking out
(https://image.ibb.co/hRGQW5/IMG_6045.jpg)
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I've got the power flex dogbone insert and bfi trans mount, just got to do the drivers side mount but I'm not really getting the results I thought I would.
Still get a thud when changing 1st to second and can feel engine moving
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I've got the power flex dogbone insert and bfi trans mount, just got to do the drivers side mount but I'm not really getting the results I thought I would.
Still get a thud when changing 1st to second and can feel engine moving
Check the small bush on the dog mount as mine has torn causing jerky take off!!!
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Do these also require pressing to change?
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I'll have a look or might just buy one, if I'm looking at it I may aswell replace it
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Do these also require pressing to change?
The small bush yes
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I'll have a look or might just buy one, if I'm looking at it I may aswell replace it
may as well :happy2:
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Does anyone know if the arm can be removed without dropping the subframe?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4422/36956368510_9d915f4282_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YiH3Pq)thumb (https://flic.kr/p/YiH3Pq) by shaun_k (https://www.flickr.com/photos/57657923@N03/), on Flickr
If so would be an easy way to replace the small bush without the need of a press
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Also according the powerflex website no pressing required? Anyone have any experience fitting this?
http://www.powerflex.co.uk/i/product_images/5-85-505FI.pdf
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Also according the powerflex website no pressing required? Anyone have any experience fitting this?
http://www.powerflex.co.uk/i/product_images/5-85-505FI.pdf
Does anyone know if the arm can be removed without dropping the subframe?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4422/36956368510_9d915f4282_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YiH3Pq)thumb (https://flic.kr/p/YiH3Pq) by shaun_k (https://www.flickr.com/photos/57657923@N03/), on Flickr
If so would be an easy way to replace the small bush without the need of a press
The dogbone can be removed without dropping subframe, three bolts and it comes out.
The old bushing has to be pressed out but the powerflex one doesn't need pressing in.
Fitting the powerflex black on mine this weekend hopefully.
Edit: sorry mate I got confused, the powerflex may need pressing in, just had a look at it again.
I'll update after installing
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Also according the powerflex website no pressing required? Anyone have any experience fitting this?
http://www.powerflex.co.uk/i/product_images/5-85-505FI.pdf
Yes you will still need to press the power flex insert in as it has a lip on either end but it's not as difficult and the VIBRATECHNICS solid bush I had but sold on to a fb member. Oem/febi still as good :wink:
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That is brilliant thank you all for your help, I'll start by replacing the dogbone as they come with a mount pre-installed. If I'm still getting issues I'll have take it to a garage to get the subframe mount replaced. I take it these use stretch bolts same as the other mounts and should be replaced.
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) why did you remove your vibatechnics mount.
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@Stig_gti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6407) I never fitted the small bush in or on as I didn't think I'd have any issues with the oem one but after seeing the bush on my car last week I've realised they can wear and tear after a good beating :signLOL: also the vibratechnics subframe bushes were way too solid by design and I was already getting internal vibrations so decided against it. Now I wish I did fit it as the vibrations do tone down after bedding in :doh:
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I have the vibatechnics mount fitted with the small mount aswell.
When it was first installed it was terrible on idle once moving was fine never heard a thing.
It's beded in now and can't hear really hear a thing.
Worth while upgrade, want to do engine mounts but worried about to much nvh
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I didn't keep my vibratechnics small mount for the worry of the bell housing snapping as it's been seen on a few Gti's :scared: but glad yours is okay. :smiley:
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Hope mine don't snap which ones cause the vibrations subframe one or small one.
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Sub frame, the smaller one causes gear change jolting.
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Sub frame, the smaller one causes gear change jolting.
What the uprated bushes cause gear change jolt?
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) does this have the same affect on dsg car.
I find my car jerky when pulling away.
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@Stig_gti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6407) no I meant a damaged oem small mount is causing this on my car at the moment.
No uprated ones cause it to jolt. If anything yours will be stiffer unless damaged.
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Oh ok @r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) thanks for the info.
Since installing mine there's hardly any vibrations at all and I get zero wheel hop,
Which has made a massive difference.
I need to get my dsg scanned pull away can be very jerky at times.
Now and then say 3rd to 4th can be rough as well.
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@Stig_gti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6407) The mounts do help a lot although rough at first :signLOL:
yeah I'd definitely have a look at that, when was the dsg oil changed?.
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) was done around February time.
And had a reset as well hopefully it ain't something expensive, saying that what ain't expensive anymore. I have to get it scanned for fault codes failing that take it to a specialist.
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Hi , thought I'd post here instead of a new thread as it's related .
My car has the revo engine mounts ( 2 at the top and the dog bone one along with the revo 'arm'
Which of these causes the most noise in the cabin? Not a massive fan of the noise they make but dont want to change them for fear of getting all the bad wheel hop / bad gear changes I've read about .
Is there a half way between ? As in , leave the dog bone but put the top ( left and right ) engine ones back to standard ?
Appreciate any feedback :)
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) was done around February time.
And had a reset as well hopefully it ain't something expensive, saying that what ain't expensive anymore. I have to get it scanned for fault codes failing that take it to a specialist.
im hoping it's not your solenoids on the mech unit :scared: as that's the symptoms of a mech fault :sad1: I was having trouble with mine jumping into first second third slowing down but thankfully that was my Abs sensor :phew:
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Anyone fitted the power flex black edition small bush?
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) was done around February time.
And had a reset as well hopefully it ain't something expensive, saying that what ain't expensive anymore. I have to get it scanned for fault codes failing that take it to a specialist.
im hoping it's not your solenoids on the mech unit :scared: as that's the symptoms of a mech fault :sad1: I was having trouble with mine jumping into first second third slowing down but thankfully that was my Abs sensor :phew:
Hope not mate time will tell.
Can this be repaired or does this have to be replaced.
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Hi , thought I'd post here instead of a new thread as it's related .
My car has the revo engine mounts ( 2 at the top and the dog bone one along with the revo 'arm'
Which of these causes the most noise in the cabin? Not a massive fan of the noise they make but dont want to change them for fear of getting all the bad wheel hop / bad gear changes I've read about .
Is there a half way between ? As in , leave the dog bone but put the top ( left and right ) engine ones back to standard ?
Appreciate any feedback :)
Hi mate, I have the revo transmission and engine mounts and the noise does settles down after a while.
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Hi , thought I'd post here instead of a new thread as it's related .
My car has the revo engine mounts ( 2 at the top and the dog bone one along with the revo 'arm'
Which of these causes the most noise in the cabin? Not a massive fan of the noise they make but dont want to change them for fear of getting all the bad wheel hop / bad gear changes I've read about .
Is there a half way between ? As in , leave the dog bone but put the top ( left and right ) engine ones back to standard ?
Appreciate any feedback :)
Hi mate, I have the revo transmission and engine mounts and the noise does settles down after a while.
These have been on the car for around 10k miles I think though .... i get a diesel like noise at around 2k .... do you get the same ?
It's a new car to me you see , with these being installed by the previous owner
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) was done around February time.
And had a reset as well hopefully it ain't something expensive, saying that what ain't expensive anymore. I have to get it scanned for fault codes failing that take it to a specialist.
im hoping it's not your solenoids on the mech unit :scared: as that's the symptoms of a mech fault :sad1: I was having trouble with mine jumping into first second third slowing down but thankfully that was my Abs sensor :phew:
Hope not mate time will tell.
Can this be repaired or does this have to be replaced.
Yes mate they can be repaired around £500-700 irrc from a place in Bristol.
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) was done around February time.
And had a reset as well hopefully it ain't something expensive, saying that what ain't expensive anymore. I have to get it scanned for fault codes failing that take it to a specialist.
im hoping it's not your solenoids on the mech unit :scared: as that's the symptoms of a mech fault :sad1: I was having trouble with mine jumping into first second third slowing down but thankfully that was my Abs sensor :phew:
Hope not mate time will tell.
Can this be repaired or does this have to be replaced.
Yes mate they can be repaired around £500-700 irrc from a place in Bristol.
Cheers mate thanks for your help appreciate it.
Are look in to it in the new year as it's not bad just annoying I no it's not working 100%.
I will update in due course :congrats:
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) was done around February time.
And had a reset as well hopefully it ain't something expensive, saying that what ain't expensive anymore. I have to get it scanned for fault codes failing that take it to a specialist.
im hoping it's not your solenoids on the mech unit :scared: as that's the symptoms of a mech fault :sad1: I was having trouble with mine jumping into first second third slowing down but thankfully that was my Abs sensor :phew:
Hope not mate time will tell.
Can this be repaired or does this have to be replaced.
Yes mate they can be repaired around £500-700 irrc from a place in Bristol.
Cheers mate thanks for your help appreciate it.
Are look in to it in the new year as it's not bad just annoying I no it's not working 100%.
I will update in due course :congrats:
Not a problem mate, just don't like seeing anyone with issues :signLOL:
Just replaced my DB with this beauty
(https://image.ibb.co/ko3WeQ/IMG_2282.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/kBNJ9Q/IMG_2293.jpg)
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What one is that looks nice and solid.
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China branded :signLOL:
Car feels a lot more stable with solid gear changes now. :smiley:
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) was done around February time.
And had a reset as well hopefully it ain't something expensive, saying that what ain't expensive anymore. I have to get it scanned for fault codes failing that take it to a specialist.
im hoping it's not your solenoids on the mech unit :scared: as that's the symptoms of a mech fault :sad1: I was having trouble with mine jumping into first second third slowing down but thankfully that was my Abs sensor :phew:
Hope not mate time will tell.
Can this be repaired or does this have to be replaced.
Yes mate they can be repaired around £500-700 irrc from a place in Bristol.
Cheers mate thanks for your help appreciate it.
Are look in to it in the new year as it's not bad just annoying I no it's not working 100%.
I will update in due course :congrats:
Not a problem mate, just don't like seeing anyone with issues :signLOL:
Just replaced my DB with this beauty
(https://image.ibb.co/ko3WeQ/IMG_2282.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/kBNJ9Q/IMG_2293.jpg)
Where did you get that from out of interest, I was just going to go with the standard Febi one
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@shaunK (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=18623) from here mate.
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Engineering-Pendulum-Dog-Bone-Engine-Mount-Kit-For-VW-Golf-GTI-Jetta-MK5-2-0-TSI/311931927684?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) how long did delivery take?
Is your car dsg?
Was going to order the powerflex black series bush but not sure
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@Rigsby (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11668) took two weeks :slap: but arrived in the end as I was getting desperate :signLOL:
Yes DSG :happy2:
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Looks like a good piece of kit that.
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Looks like a good piece of kit that.
Yes I'm definitely impressed with it and much cheaper than any other after market product :smiley:
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Just done my mount today with a powerflex.
Need new bolts though so won’t be installed till tomorrow.
Anyone noticed how loose the bolt is in the mount? Surely that’s not gonna help?
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Loose in what mount
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The small mount. The bolt goes through a metal sleeve but the bolt is thinner than the sleeve so would allow movement?
That’s prob why my oem bolt was bent when I removed it, and probably why you here of that bolt snapping.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FjhN5Vb%2FBA170385_1475_4_ECD_9_AED_58_BC8_DA49_E28.jpg&hash=0db247dd06ff115173ad0246b416203c932d16d0) (http://ibb.co/dv9kVb)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2Fdy9Kqb%2FBDA16660_07_E5_40_CB_856_C_7_B5607_AA8_A66.jpg&hash=bc65948e58a9f63f6af16f9ce9af84aeea2ed1cd) (http://ibb.co/eWksAb)
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Oh sugar me timbers that looks too loose from looking at the bolt hole as it's meant to be minimal play inside the hole and side to side play!!!
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Sorted with a wall plug, no play now
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2Fi8f7bG%2F7660_EBA4_E52_D_4790_B6_B8_3_EC0_C259_FE40.jpg&hash=91d05df7b326da6395a6849965ee216f0ebe44a2) (http://ibb.co/fACyiw)
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Sorted with a wall plug, no play now
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2Fi8f7bG%2F7660_EBA4_E52_D_4790_B6_B8_3_EC0_C259_FE40.jpg&hash=91d05df7b326da6395a6849965ee216f0ebe44a2) (http://ibb.co/fACyiw)
thats ace :signLOL: glad you got it sorted pal :happy2:
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Well she’s on, feels great now, really happy with this mod.
All my mounts are now done..........now to fit my downpipe
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Awesome mate :happy2:real quick thinking on how to mod it :wink:
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I'm toying with the idea of buying the dogbone above to accompany a 034 billet pendulum insert, thoughts? Currently on [new] stock mounts, fed up with the bucking bronco feeling accompanying every throttle input.
https://www.awesomegti.com/brands/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-transmission-mount-insert-08/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/brands/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-transmission-mount-insert-08/)
The current one is 100k now so the bush inside must be pretty knackered. What is your current mount setup? Do you think it would introduce any noticeable harshness with it being poly?
Cheers :drinking:
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Update on this china mount I purchased.
Good piece of kit and I recommend you guys to buy it if you're thinking of an upgrade or pay silly prices from other companies to get the same results :popcornsoda:
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Like the 034 version with the spherical bearing?
It won't be long before they start knocking out cheap versions of the billet insert. Now that I've paid £50 for mine. #tightgit :grin:
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Like the 034 version with the spherical bearing?
It won't be long before they start knocking out cheap versions of the billet insert. Now that I've paid £50 for mine. #tightgit :grin:
Lmao I paid under £30 so I'm tighter :P
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Just fitted the vibratechnics small bush, already had the bigger one fitted a few months ago. Wow this thing is harsh it’s rattling the fillings out me mouth. Someone that’s already got one fitted please tell me it gets better once worn in.
(https://preview.ibb.co/fqgnRR/42685089_7122_47_A8_AEB0_148_FAAEA7_F50.jpg) (https://ibb.co/duwMmR)
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Yes gets a lot better once worn in. You have dsg makes it worse.
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Yes gets a lot better once worn in. You have dsg makes it worse.
Yes it’s dsg mate. On the plus side no more clunking noises going into gear
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I only get a very little vibration now when left in d about to pull off. Easily livable get a few miles on the bush it will settle in nice. Defo tightens things up.