MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Bodyboarder81 on October 15, 2017, 08:11:23 pm
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Hi all ,
Just wanting some info and people's thoughts on my situation...
My car has had the revo full engine mounts fitted by the previous owner ( 3 in total )
I love the way the car drives , very direct dsg changes , no wheel hop ( things I've read about that a mapped edition 30/Pirelli suffer with on standard mounts ) the engine doesn't slop about , feels controlled. All good things then !
The only thing I don't like about them is the noise !
I get a gruff /diesel like engine note transmitted into the cabin at aprox 2000rpm on partial/full throttle ( not in light throttle)
Do I just put up with this noise for the benifits as stated above ? Or can I get 80% of the good stuff without the noise by another route ?
Which mounts cause the most noise once going to harder ones? Engine ? Gearbox? Or lower dog bone inc insert ?
Could I leave the lower one and change the upper for new units and eliminate the noise while still having most of the benifits?
Any help much appreciated :happy2:
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I believe the lower pendulum [dogbone] mount is responsible for keeping the majority of the back and forth rocking in check, not that it does a very good job, even from new. They were designed for comfort from factory, hence the voids in the hockey puck bushing, way too sloppy for my liking.
So I've decided to go the other way to how yours is set up with new OEM engine and gearbox mounts, and I've just ordered one of these:
https://www.awesomegti.com/brands/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-transmission-mount-insert-08/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/brands/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-transmission-mount-insert-08/)
I've heard nothing but good things about these, they're supposed to give a more comfortable ride than poly inserts but at the same time keep that bucking bronco effect in check. They don't 'pack' [google it, basically crush after time, crap in other words.] and wear out like poly does either, obviously as it's metal.
Stay tuned for a review, it's being delivered this week. :happy2:
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I'm guessing I really need to find out which one of the 3 mounts transfers the majority of the noise ..... I'm hoping to keep the revo dog bone one as that's the hardest to replace and as you say possibles helps the most with engine movements
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Do you have a link to your Revo one?
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=O9DjWeb9Loqwa_3pr8gG&q=mk5+gti+revo+engine+mout+kit+&oq=mk5+gti+revo+engine+mout+kit+&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.3..33i160k1.3475.21364.0.21820.30.30.0.8.8.0.233.2655.24j4j1.30.0....0...1.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..0.28.2153.3..0j41j0i131k1j0i22i30k1j33i21k1j30i10k1.112.7UaxI8zIrOY#imgrc=hcaim8qk6uwGFM:
This is them ..... a very comprehensive quality kit by all accounts.... hence the hesitation in my decisions
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Where are you getting the new top engine mounts from ...vw ?
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Where are you getting the new top engine mounts from ...vw ?
Already fitted, yep, OEM from main dealer - don't ask how much they cost. There is an improvement from my old [100k miles] ones, just not as much as I'd hoped. You mention rattling, like anything, its a trade-off. Porsches and the like use fancy electro-rheological dynamic engine bushes which are controlled by the ECU and stiffen up according to RPM.
Tonight's homework, read this :grin:
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/2010-porsche-911-gt3s-dynamic-engine-mounts (https://www.caranddriver.com/features/2010-porsche-911-gt3s-dynamic-engine-mounts)
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Those Revo mounts look hardcore, btw.
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These seem to have good reviews, a completely different way of going about things too, using a spring.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dli+mounts+mkv+gti&oq=dli+mounts+mkv+gti (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dli+mounts+mkv+gti&oq=dli+mounts+mkv+gti)
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The upper gearbox mount is the one responsible for the most noise.
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The upper gearbox mount is the one responsible for the most noise.
That's a step closer to deciding what to do ........
Have you heard of the 034 rubber mounts? ( think that's what they are called )
What would you suggest in my situation?
Thanks
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The street and track density ones? They should be OK as they are a copy of the OEM ones, but solid rubber instead of voided. There will be extra noise, but how much in comparison to other options, I'm not sure.
I have all 3 VibraTechnics in mine and I just live with the extra noise because it's that plus the benefits, or OEM with zero benefits. I have a window or the sunroof open all year round, so that drowns out any engine gearbox noise :smiley:
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Best advice anyone could give you is to try and get out, either as a drive or passenger, in other cars with different brands/types of mount fitted. Noise and vibration is very much subjective, and what may not be ideal to you may be quite insignificant, or be completely unacceptable to someone else.
People can recommend different mounts but I doubt many have tried a variety of mounts and will have nothing to compare it to other than the originals
I've not tried Revo, but from what I have read from various owners, pretty much any other mount you try will be an improvement in terms of NVH.
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Ok thanks for the help / info appreciate it :happy2:
I'll have a chat to jim from Jkm and make a decision..... although it's probably a costlier option the 034 mounts sound what I'm after ... not a fan of the slip in style ones , as I'll always worry about the coming out and the fact that I don't want to put them on my standard mounts ( which I have and have covered around 45k )
I'm guessing people buy new bolts as well ? As I've read somewhere that stretch bolts are used .
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It'll be interesting to see if the inserts hold up to the excessive lateral engine movement from track abuse.
Yeah the engine mount bolts are the stretch variety and should be replaced.
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I'm getting myself completely confused with which way I'm going with this !
Spoke to Jkm and they suggested if it's a road going car and not going in track just put the standard ones back in .im very tempered to do this and leave the revo dog bone one on .
Also would like to buy the power flex inserts for them....... problem is powerflex only make one insert for the mounts I have !
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Get a different mount then if you decide to go for them. I had to buy a different upper engine mount to fit the inserts in mine. I found one from an Eos 2.0 TFSI that fitted my Leon perfectly
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But once I've bought the other engine mount and the powerflex add ons I'm getting on for the price of the 034 mounts :thinking:
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034 mounts are £270 ish? The Powerflex inserts are £65 delivered from PSI Tuning. Sure you could find a standard engine mount for a lot less than £200?
You could sell the Revo engine mounts to cover either option anyway
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Right made a decision....
Bought new standard engine and gearbox mounts from ecp and made sure the new mount was the correct one with regards the powerflex inserts . Obviously ordered the inserts as well from awesome . I'll be getting this all fitted along with a revo intake /map tweek/new thermostat next week :happy2:
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Getting my new gearbox/engine mounts fitted this Thursday .... so if anybody's in the market for a stiffer setup ,then my revo set will be available. Also have some standard mounts that are in very good condition ( done 40k ) that I'll be selling . Send me a pm and I can get some pics ect
Thanks :happy2:
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Bit late to the party perhaps but I have Reco top and transmission mounts but no dog and cabin noise is not an issue!
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Revo*
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Ah great .... so I've just dropped my car off to have them taken off and the dog bone left in !! I guess I'll find out later :popcornsoda:
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Hey I'm sure it will be fine.. :drinking:
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How'd it go? Interested in these inserts myself
Molesy :happy2:
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New mounts are in and more to my requirements... noise has gone mostly , do feel a bit more engine movement but happy with the choice I made . I’m not completely convinced the inserts will last if I’m honest , seem to have moved quite a bit already but not popped out , although I’m pretty sure they will over time
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The inserts move a bit and then settle. I thought the same with mine, been static and settled for the last few weeks now
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Can’t figure out how to post pics .... but the revo engine and gearbox mounts are available.. looking at £175 plus delivery for them inc bolts . Have covered 15k miles. If anyone’s interested I can send some pics over :happy2:
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Oh also have some standard mounts from my 09 plate that have covered 40k miles. When I compared the new ones I bought to these I wish I never bothered with buying some more , as there seemed to be the same resistance from New and old !
Looking for £70 plus delivery :happy2: