MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Graham1990 on February 03, 2018, 02:21:36 pm
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Hi guys,
I keep getting this code pop up, I did have low oil pressure light as well. I have replaced the oil pick up pipe and that has sorted the low oil pressure problem but I still get the p000a code come up. Sometimes after 40 miles sometimes it takes 140 miles. Has anyone else suffered similar problems ? The code reads “a” camshaft position slow response bank 1. “A” is the intake side so that narrows it down but I was hoping it may be a common code and people can point me in the right direction? Also the engine takes a long time to get to temp. Could this be something to do with it ? Cheers 👍
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http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/P000A/000010 may help.
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Yeah I’ve seen a few solutions but I didn’t know if maybe a few other owners have had this code and all fixed it with the same solution. Looks like I’ll start with the cheapest and easiest option and work through them until it’s solved 👍
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I’ve got this code too although along with another(P0016), going to be fitting a new n205 valve next weekend so will post feedback in here.
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I have the P000A code too. Had it for a while but now the EML is on as well so gonna have to get it seen to. @Mark_DF05 if you could do a "How To" with pics that would be great.
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It’s a nightmare lads, I was meant to be getting my car remapped with r tech Friday and now I’ve got to wait until I solve this problem before I can take the car to be mapped. 😭😭 if you fix your problem please let me know how you sorted it. Also this code doesn’t bring the light on straight away I scanned my ecu just to check before remap and this code was on there along with another two. Deleted it changed the oil pick up pipe and it took 130 miles for the code to come back and it pinged the engine light on this time to.
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Don't stress mate, buy the part from VW or TPS and put it on yourself before Friday or get R-Tech to do it. From reading online it's a fairly straight forward job.
https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Volkswagen_Golf_GTI_Mk_V/46-ENGINE-Camshaft_Adjustment_Valve_Replacement/46-ENGINE-Camshaft_Adjustment_Valve_Replacement.htm
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@Shoy1980 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8590) I’ve got to go and collect some parts from vw Wednesday so I will order that as well, get it replaced and see what happens but from searching the code online it comes up with things more along the lines of the timing, cam sensor or something to do with the intake side of the camshaft. 👍
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Sorry @Shoy1980 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8590) I just saw n205 and didn’t look at what the part actually was lol that may be the problem I will definitely replace that first and see what happens, thank you 👍
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No worries mate, I believe the part number for the n205 camshaft adjustment valve is 06F109257C.
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@Shoy1980 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8590) mine is a 55 reg will the part be correct for this age?
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Don't know mate, sorry.
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N205 isn't cheap! I would log measuring blocks 91 - 93 first to make sure the cam timing is correct and the cam adjustment behaves as expected.
93 should be in the 0 to -4KW range
and 91 should show target and actual cam angles, which should match.
It could just be some HPFP follower dust got in the valve, or some crud from the blocked pick up. It might just need a good clean out.
I can't see a faulty valve taking 160 miles to drop out. Electronics tend to either work or not work. It sounds more mechanical to me.
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N205 isn't cheap! I would log measuring blocks 91 - 93 first to make sure the cam timing is correct and the cam adjustment behaves as expected.
93 should be in the 0 to -4KW range
and 91 should show target and actual cam angles, which should match.
It could just be some HPFP follower dust got in the valve, or some crud from the blocked pick up. It might just need a good clean out.
I can't see a faulty valve taking 160 miles to drop out. Electronics tend to either work or not work. It sounds more mechanical to me.
Hi mate, how do I log measuring blocks 91-93 ? Is that some sort of vagcom process?
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Yeah certainly is. I assumed you had it as you were able to read fault codes, or is a generic scanner you have?
In VAG COM 93 is called "Cam phase position" and 91/92 is "cam phase angle" or something.
You go into the Engine module, advanced measuring blocks and then find and tick those 3 channels in the long list. Or any tool that can read live data can do the same.
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No I haven’t got vagcom, I used to work in a garage a long time ago and ever since then I’ve stayed good mates with the manager so I can go down and work on my car whenever I need to which is handy. He has all snap on equipment so the diagnostic thing I’ve been using is a snap on one. I will see if I can do the checks you have said about on Saturday when I go there. I’m replacing an in line thermostat as the car takes ages to warm up and also i have cam sensor, n205 camshaft adjuster valve so if either of them need replacing I can try them if not I will take them back to vw 👍 hopefully it’s a nice easy cheap fix but that never seems to be the case on my cars lol
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Most of the better Snap-on kits will show you live data values, otherwise find someone local that has VCDS
There are many different causes of this code, from the N205, to the little carbon oil seals for it, even down to a lack of oil pressure or a worn/damaged camshaft adjuster.
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If it's the Verus Pro, you'll be fine with that. VW/Audi has brand specific data PIDs, so the Verus might translate them differently to VCDS.
That's what makes VCDS the best platform for these cars. It uses the same translation as the factory ODIS system.
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Most of the better Snap-on kits will show you live data values, otherwise find someone local that has VCDS
There are many different causes of this code, from the N205, to the little carbon oil seals for it, even down to a lack of oil pressure or a worn/damaged camshaft adjuster.
Yeah it’s a bugger, I thought it was lack of oil pressure that bought the code up. I had ”stop engine oil pressure low” come up on the dash so I changed the pick up pipe but obviously that wasn’t the problem 😞just got to keep replacing parts now until it’s sorted. 👎
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I got a p000a code after chain and tensioner replacement, couldn't figure it out for ages after replacing many parts, turned out I was missing half of a cam adjuster sealing ring... Might be worth changing these , they're about £30 I think?
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@MaxC (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=18324) do you have a part number for the sealing rings?
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@MaxC (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=18324) do you have a part number for the sealing rings?
These the the ones..06F198107A
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Cheers @MaxC (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=18324). I’ve got a camshaft adjustment valve N205. I’ll be fitting that later when I finish work. I’ll go for a long drive and see if the code comes back (hopefully it doesn’t) if it does I’ll be ordering some of the sealing rings. 👍
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Just thought I would update the thread. It seems the n205 has fixed the issue. I have done 50 miles and haven’t got a code back yet, but once it didn’t come back for over 100 miles 😱 I will scan the ecu again after 100 miles and report back. The old n205 I took off had oil coming out the top of it into the electrical plug on the top so I think it probably was the issue. Thanks for all the help 👌
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That's a great result, happy for you mate.
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@Shoy1980 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8590) I spoke to soon, went and plugged the car in again to double check the code had gone for sure and it’s back 😐. It took over 100 miles again to come back. I did however unplug the maf while the engine was running the day before to see if that was working correctly as I have an intermittent rough idle at the moment and I’m trying to figure that out. I doubt that would have brought a p000a code up though would it ? I’m wondering where abouts on the engine the sealing rings are that you mentioned? I would like to check mine. If you could let me know I would appreciate it 👍👍
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Sorry @Shoy1980 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8590) it was actually @MaxC (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=18324) that mentioned the sealing rings. Could you let me know where they are located on the engine please? I would like to check mine. Cheers 😆
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They're on the cam chain housing on a protuding piston that goes into the vvt
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They're on the cam chain housing on a protuding piston that goes into the vvt
Thank you mate 👌
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Yep, they go onto the shaft with the 2 holes pictured here. New ones are flexible and go on OK, but old ones are brittle as hell and always break.
(https://d3inagkmqs1m6q.cloudfront.net/1517/media-pics/cp040666-cam-chain-housing-20t-fsi-bpy-vw-jetta-gti-audi-a3-a4-tt-passat-06f-103-530-p-4.jpg)
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How many of the sealing rings are there ? I’m thinking 3 but don’t have a clue why lol.
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Not sure if this of any help to you guys as I see you've already tried this but finally got round to replacing the n205 on Monday, done around 150 miles so far and code hasn't come back. I'll scan again when I've done a few more miles and update.
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Alright lads,
I’ve plugged my car into the proper vcds today, it’s very confusing 😆. Wasn’t 100% of what I was looking at but no misfires were logged so it’s not a misfire on idle just feels like a misfire 🤔. Also the only thing that looked strange to me was the ignition timing angle on engine 01 group 010. It was jumping from 3 to 19.5 sat on tick over. Does this seem normal ? To me it seems funny that it’s jumping around that much surely it should stay around the same figure on idle. If you rev the engine and keep it at a steady amount of revs the number stays the same. Any advice/help greatly appreciated!! Car still stutters on idle and has the p000a code coming up. Running out of bits to replace!
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Was that from cold? It does allsorts of weird sh*t when cold to heat the cats up.
It does use ignition timing as well as the throttle plate to maintain idle speed though, but it uses timing first as a 'fine tune' before adjusting the throttle angle. It shouldn't be jumping up and down wildly when hot though.
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Was that from cold? It does allsorts of weird sh*t when cold to heat the cats up.
It does use ignition timing as well as the throttle plate to maintain idle speed though, but it uses timing first as a 'fine tune' before adjusting the throttle angle. It shouldn't be jumping up and down wildly when hot though.
The car was up to temp as I had to drive to the lads house who was helping me out with the vcds. Could it be the vacuum leak I have through the pcv valve pipes causing it to jump about that much ?
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If you are still getting the P000A code after replacing the N205 valve, it may be the VVT adjuster itself that's faulty, or one of the plastic oil control rings in the chain cover has broken, or possibly an oil flow restriction. Has it had the chain and tensioner done yet? Could be a good time to do all that.
I know what you mean about the idle feeling like a misfire, but it's just lumpy from not running optimally. It will only log a hard miss, like a failed coil or injector, and you would definitely feel it running on 3 cylinders!
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@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) I am still getting the p000a after replacing the n205 yes 😞. I don’t know if the car has had the cam chain and tensioner done yet. I will check all the paperwork tonight. I’m going to check the cam sensor and the three little rings you mentioned next. I don’t think there is an oil restriction any more. I replaced the pick up pipe and oil and filter a few hundred miles ago. I probably should of used an engine flush to clean the oil lines out as well. Hopefully the pcv replacement and fixing the vacuum leak will solve my rough idle. I will report back with results when I have replaced the parts 👍 thanks for all advice so far 😁 hopefully one day the car will be fit enough to get mapped 😅
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OK cool. I think if you're going to the trouble of removing the chain cover to inspect the oil rings, you may as well do the chain and tensioner as well. But if you want to do more diagnosis first, you can use VCDS to test the VVT adjuster and also check the cam phasing and VVT adjustment ranges etc.
Keep at it, you'll get there eventually!
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OK cool. I think if you're going to the trouble of removing the chain cover to inspect the oil rings, you may as well do the chain and tensioner as well. But if you want to do more diagnosis first, you can use VCDS to test the VVT adjuster and also check the cam phasing and VVT adjustment ranges etc.
Keep at it, you'll get there eventually!
Chain and tensioner are a lot of £££’s though aren’t they? Hopefully I can resolve the issue before I get to the point of inspecting the oil rings. I’ve just spoken to a mechanic who has had this problem before (p000a) and he said it was resolved be fixing a vacuum leak. I didn’t think a vacuum leak would pop this code up but I know I do have a vacuum leak. I also have collected the parts today and will be sorting it Saturday so I’m really hoping that gets rid of the code now but I’m not getting my hopes up lol. If it doesn’t solve the issue would you be able to let me know how I check the vvt adjuster and cam phasing ranges ? Thanks, I’ll get there in the end 😅
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OK cool. I think if you're going to the trouble of removing the chain cover to inspect the oil rings, you may as well do the chain and tensioner as well. But if you want to do more diagnosis first, you can use VCDS to test the VVT adjuster and also check the cam phasing and VVT adjustment ranges etc.
Keep at it, you'll get there eventually!
Chain and tensioner are a lot of £££’s though aren’t they? Hopefully I can resolve the issue before I get to the point of inspecting the oil rings. I’ve just spoken to a mechanic who has had this problem before (p000a) and he said it was resolved be fixing a vacuum leak. I didn’t think a vacuum leak would pop this code up but I know I do have a vacuum leak. I also have collected the parts today and will be sorting it Saturday so I’m really hoping that gets rid of the code now but I’m not getting my hopes up lol. If it doesn’t solve the issue would you be able to let me know how I check the vvt adjuster and cam phasing ranges ? Thanks, I’ll get there in the end 😅
The VVT is 100% oil pressure, so nowt to do with vacuum leaks I'm afraid. Nothing is that easy on these cars!
Measuring blocks 91 - 93 are the ones you need!
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Yep, they go onto the shaft with the 2 holes pictured here. New ones are flexible and go on OK, but old ones are brittle as hell and always break.
(https://d3inagkmqs1m6q.cloudfront.net/1517/media-pics/cp040666-cam-chain-housing-20t-fsi-bpy-vw-jetta-gti-audi-a3-a4-tt-passat-06f-103-530-p-4.jpg)
I’ve replaced all it can be now apart from cam chain, tensioner and the sealing rings. Is it possible to take the cam chain cover off and inspect the oil sealing rings without taking all the rocker cover, fuel pump and everything else off ?
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You might as well do the chain & tensioner mate, and do the oil control rings whilst you’re there. The hpfp and vacuum pump have to come off to check the rings. Removing that and the rocker cover (to do the chain) isn’t a big job, imo.
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You might as well do the chain & tensioner mate, and do the oil control rings whilst you’re there. The hpfp and vacuum pump have to come off to check the rings. Removing that and the rocker cover (to do the chain) isn’t a big job, imo.
I think you’re right 😅 just costing me an arm and a leg atm! Is it worth spending the big bucks and getting it all genuine from vw ? Or are the kits on eBay worth considering ?? Also what/where is the vvt adjuster and is there anyway of telling if that has had it ? Thanks mate
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I’ve just got a price from vw, for all the parts and tools to do the cam chain and tensioner, including the sealing rings it’s about £350 including vat. Not as bad as I thought. Before I buy the bits I’m just wondering about the vvt adjuster. Where abouts is that and how can I tell if it is working correctly ? Cheers 👍👍
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Sorry to keep going on lads, getting excited lol. Just gone through cars history and found the cam chain and tensioner has been replaced at 85,000 the car is only on 101,000. So the chain and tensioner must be ok. So i suppose now all I need to do is take it apart and check the oil sealing rings and hope they are knackered ? If they are it’s probably them that is causing my code to keep appearing ?
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You solved this problem?