Post by: willni on March 25, 2018, 02:41:38 pm
Post by: willni on March 25, 2018, 02:52:01 pm
Wheels pointing straight, leaves steering wheel at this angle.
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Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on March 25, 2018, 02:59:07 pm
Post by: willni on March 25, 2018, 03:57:07 pm
Interesting, mine does the same thing, I’ve been told it’s the subframe not being aligned apparently. Let me know if adjusting the wheel ridges couple notches sorts it please
Just been told to get them to realign it, as they should’ve centred the wheel before it. So I’ll call in and ask them on Thursday, before I move it a few notches incase it does more harm
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Post by: pudding on March 26, 2018, 09:44:33 am
If you move the steering wheel round some notches to center it by eye, you will have an angle bias on one side, which may affect the steering weight and or ESP behavior, depending what the manufacturer 'tolerance' is.
Given how many cars have electric steering these days, and how long electric steering has been around (well over a decade), that kind of ignorance in the trade is unacceptable.....but then again......what else is new!! :grin:
Post by: Dan_FR on March 26, 2018, 10:47:13 am
Post by: coolhandluke on March 26, 2018, 01:25:21 pm
Had a full alignment done and after it the steering wheel is pointing to the right, is there any problem pulling the wheel off and moving it over a few splines or ridges? or is there a more professional way with vag-com?Where did you have it done ?
Post by: willni on March 26, 2018, 01:26:48 pm
Where did you have it done ?
Local place all new equipment
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Post by: Stupots on March 26, 2018, 02:04:01 pm
I was told this was no problem and they clamp the wheel in position. It's not until you've driven down a nice straight road for a while that you realise it's out of alignment. It's especially annoying for me, as I specifically mentioned it. Mine is biased to the left, about the same amount as yours.
Post by: pudding on March 26, 2018, 02:54:52 pm
Post by: Dan_FR on March 26, 2018, 03:10:40 pm
Clamping it central should be sufficient, you don't need to get VCDS out for the steering angle reading - provided the steering wheel hasn't been off. Problem is they use a spring loaded clamp that doesn't clamp it as securely as it could, probably for fear of damage. If you watch the steering wheel whilst they're aligning the wheels, it moves around a lot
Post by: BaldwinGTI on March 26, 2018, 04:05:23 pm
You have to be very literal with them. 'Set the angle sensor to 0 degrees' and 'centering the wheel' are very different things. Most garages understand it to mean holding the steering wheel still with a crook lock.
I have a similar issue and I am taking the car in this week. The question is how do you say this to the garage without causing them to get their knickers in a twist about it?!
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Post by: pudding on March 26, 2018, 04:57:58 pm
VCDS is easier than pulling it to bits though!
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Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on March 26, 2018, 06:55:03 pm
Anyone know how much VW charge for an alignment?
Post by: Juliand on March 26, 2018, 07:15:23 pm
You have to be very literal with them. 'Set the angle sensor to 0 degrees' and 'centering the wheel' are very different things. Most garages understand it to mean holding the steering wheel still with a crook lock.
I have a similar issue and I am taking the car in this week. The question is how do you say this to the garage without causing them to get their knickers in a twist about it?!
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As Pudding says, you're going to have to be 'literal' with them; be upfront - talk to the manager, say you're a fussy f*ckr, you want the best man on the job, and it's got to be right - say you've read of more than a few having problems after it being done, so if he doesn't want to do the job correctly, you'd rather know now, so that you can take your business to someone who actually gives a poo about their work.
If he gets his pants in a twist over it, you will know exactly what kind of after-service you can expect from him , and walk away. :driver:
Post by: willni on March 26, 2018, 09:29:08 pm
You have to be very literal with them. 'Set the angle sensor to 0 degrees' and 'centering the wheel' are very different things. Most garages understand it to mean holding the steering wheel still with a crook lock.
I have a similar issue and I am taking the car in this week. The question is how do you say this to the garage without causing them to get their knickers in a twist about it?!
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As Pudding says, you're going to have to be 'literal' with them; be upfront - talk to the manager, say you're a fussy f*ckr, you want the best man on the job, and it's got to be right - say you've read of more than a few having problems after it being done, so if he doesn't want to do the job correctly, you'd rather know now, so that you can take your business to someone who actually gives a poo about their work.
If he gets his pants in a twist over it, you will know exactly what kind of after-service you can expect from him , and walk away. :driver:
You get further by being nice :happy2: , when was the last time you wanted to help out a knob womble? :P
Post by: willni on March 26, 2018, 09:33:13 pm
Notch marks line up on mine so it’s defo not the steering wheel not installed properly.
Anyone know how much VW charge for an alignment?
Same with me steering alignment bang on, around £30 for the front two at most places.
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Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on March 26, 2018, 09:37:51 pm
Thanks, I’ll get VW to do it this time when I give it in for DSG service soonNotch marks line up on mine so it’s defo not the steering wheel not installed properly.
Anyone know how much VW charge for an alignment?
Same with me steering alignment bang on, around £30 for the front two at most places.
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Ps nice mk6 wheel
Post by: pudding on March 27, 2018, 09:53:15 am
I would not do just the fronts only as it will never be optimal.
As for instructing garages, you could simply say: VW do it by locking the angle to zero degrees and then adjust the tie rods, and you want it done properly. But it's not just VW though, all cars with steering angle sensors should have it done that way. It's not rocket science, and if they get funny about it, find a more accommodating garage. The trouble is, there are too many lazy barstewardss in the industry who just want the car out of the door as fast as possible. Don't accept rubbish service.
Post by: 99hagued on March 27, 2018, 01:13:58 pm
Also Iv got a dead set kit on my subframe so that’s straight.
Post by: pudding on March 27, 2018, 01:32:44 pm
Before and after the Tyrol Deadset, my car showed -1.5 NSF camber, and -0.85 on the OSF camber - on a VAG Biessbarth rig. According to the operator, he sees that frequently on standard MK5s, let alone modified ones. I was hoping the deadset would level off the camber difference, but it didn't, and funnily enough, my steering wheel was also kicked to the right afterwards as well. But after a lot of fiddling about, we got it all spot on. Initially the camber reference wasn't right because of one side being more negative than the other, so I'm hoping with a pair of SuperPro adjustable BJs to trim the cambers, it should be easier to get the steering wheel straight.
Post by: 99hagued on March 27, 2018, 01:51:05 pm
Post by: pudding on March 27, 2018, 02:00:57 pm
Post by: 99hagued on March 27, 2018, 02:17:59 pm
Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on March 27, 2018, 02:27:45 pm
Also have the alloy arms too mind...
Post by: pudding on March 27, 2018, 04:14:35 pm
I'm not sure if the previous owner fitted a new rack, but it's a possibility given they break easily. I'm not really computing how that would cause an alignment error though, unless 0 degrees on the angle sensor doesn't match at the rack/pinion end. Food for thought though.
Given my mechanic says he sees that on nearly every MK5 he puts on the rig, I'm putting it down to shoddy workmanship at the factory :grin:
Post by: willni on March 27, 2018, 10:27:58 pm
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Post by: Stupots on March 28, 2018, 06:59:03 am
Post by: Dan_FR on March 28, 2018, 08:25:52 am
Post by: Panthera on March 28, 2018, 09:32:17 am
Heres my thread: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,115248.msg1099231.html#msg1099231
Try alignmycar.co.uk for finding a place for 4WA using Hunter Engineering aligners.
Post by: pudding on March 28, 2018, 10:28:36 am
Yeah the tyrolsport subframe kit will lock it into place to prevent movement, but it in many cases it won't correct the geometry, which was evidently not correct at the factory.
Post by: willni on March 28, 2018, 11:29:27 am
Agreed, the steering can't center itself without some kind of mechanical adjustment, or movement.
Yeah the tyrolsport subframe kit will lock it into place to prevent movement, but it in many cases it won't correct the geometry, which was evidently not correct at the factory.
Yep my mistake it was dark when i looked again still not straight.
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Post by: BaldwinGTI on March 28, 2018, 05:30:51 pm
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Post by: TheBALDpuma on March 29, 2018, 09:33:20 am
Post by: pudding on March 29, 2018, 11:29:37 am
You are right thoigh, a lot of it does come down to skill and knowledge, which as we all know is desperately lacking in the car world.
Post by: TheBALDpuma on March 29, 2018, 11:49:54 am
Post by: pudding on March 29, 2018, 11:54:14 am
On a more modern tarmac road, no chance. The steering wanders and tugs all over the shop from poor surface prep, lorry ruts, inconsistent cambers etc etc, but shows as spot-on on the alignment rig!!
That said, you definitely can feel the difference between sheddy roads and sheddy alignment!
Post by: TheBALDpuma on March 29, 2018, 11:59:04 am
Wheel alginment is huge trigger for me - it drives me nuts if it's not right! I can't drive the other halves car, because her's is way out and the wheels are out of balance, so motorway driving is just horrible!
Post by: pudding on March 29, 2018, 12:11:53 pm
Lol, snap. The missus's MK4 1.6 has warped brakes, knocking rear top mounts, screeching starter motor, ditch finders and it's slooooooooooow. But she loves it :stupid: It does have dead-on tracking though :grin:
Post by: willni on March 29, 2018, 05:52:58 pm
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Post by: pudding on March 29, 2018, 06:03:46 pm
Camber off on one side isn't a mega problem though. It's just nice to have everything bang on even left and right.
Post by: BaldwinGTI on March 29, 2018, 09:07:23 pm
Yet another one with different camber left to right :grin:
Camber off on one side isn't a mega problem though. It's just nice to have everything bang on even left and right.
I have a visual printout from mine. They’re nearly equal both sides but not perfect. I’ll try and photo it tomorrow. The car is definitely far nicer to drive.
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Post by: willni on March 30, 2018, 10:50:50 am
Took the airbag out today to see if it was an error on my part, as it’s still going left when steering wheel is straight.
But to no avail i had it put on bang on, so third alignment will be coming soon, using Hunter Equipment this time.
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Post by: pudding on March 31, 2018, 12:33:51 pm
VAG Biessbarth or Hunter should sort it. I've always had good luck with the VAG system.
Post by: willni on March 31, 2018, 12:55:03 pm
What equipment did the first place use?
VAG Biessbarth or Hunter should sort it. I've always had good luck with the VAG system.
Both alignments Corghi previously
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Post by: Mitch H on April 02, 2018, 09:48:31 am
It's like using a ruler or a tape measure still get the same reading
If your steering wheel is down one way then tow one side out and one side in exactly the same to keep the wheels parallel to each other
Post by: DavGTI on April 02, 2018, 10:20:27 am
Doesn't matter what equipment your using all it is a measuring device. I found it's calibrated correctly it will do the job.
It's like using a ruler or a tape measure still get the same reading
If your steering wheel is down one way then tow one side out and one side in exactly the same to keep the wheels parallel to each other
Measuring equipment will matter. I’m no expert on these machines however cheaper measuring equipment will usually have a larger tolerance gap.
Post by: Mitch H on April 06, 2018, 12:43:37 am
Doesn't matter what equipment your using all it is a measuring device. I found it's calibrated correctly it will do the job.
It's like using a ruler or a tape measure still get the same reading
If your steering wheel is down one way then tow one side out and one side in exactly the same to keep the wheels parallel to each other
Measuring equipment will matter. I’m no expert on these machines however cheaper measuring equipment will usually have a larger tolerance gap.
Some machines are more 'precise' but not more 'accurate' all modern 4 wheel alignment systems are accurate enough to get a golf to drive straight :happy2:
Post by: pudding on April 06, 2018, 10:35:54 am
Post by: Mitch H on April 11, 2018, 06:12:06 pm
I would say it’s more the operator than the machine.
Exactly this I'm in the trade and when you start on string or mirrors you understand exactly what your doing to the geometry of the car. Where as now it's just numbers on a screen they are changing.