MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: neilw on June 26, 2018, 06:06:13 pm
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So.. I noticed some oil under the car, and thought the IC hose is leaking oil again.
It is but its the seal at the turbo outlet now. This is fine I can fix that. I'm more concerned with the amount of oil that's there, I know to expect some but its covered the drive shafts, Control arms, ARB, etc. I had the oil changed about 900miles ago and its gone from 4.7ltrs which was put in to in min mark on the dip stick. Has something gone wrong or is that normal.... I've not noticed any exhaust smoke
Does anybody have any experience with this hardpipe kit? to get rid of the VW hoses, seals and clamps? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Golf-GTI-Audi-S3-TTS-LEON-2-0T-FSI-Turbo-To-Intercooler-KO4-Hard-Pipe-kit-H0196/253114463733?epid=1666550959&hash=item3aeecc35f5:g:neAAAOSwTEJaMRHW
(https://preview.ibb.co/kpKevT/P1010732.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mNuCFT)
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You can locate a good turbo muffler delete with a search which should allow traditional clamping there.
For example; https://www.ecstuning.com/News/Volksawgen_Turbo_Muffler_Delete_19331/?salesrep=JRiggsbee&utm_source=golfmkv&utm_medium=forum&utm_content=JRiggsbee&utm_campaign=fsimuffdelete_11_14_2017
Oil is common but in tiny amounts. Best you can do is check both the PCV and rear breather. Test if the check valves operate properly. Next thing to test is the inner splash plate of the valve cover. It is known to separate at its seals for both the EVAP and PCV recycle channels built into it. I have my own discovery on my u2b channel @ Roh Echt; https://www.youtube.com/user/zoomdis/videos. With the valve cover removed...decide how you want to test if the two channels are still sealed from front to back as both channels recycle to the turbo inlet.
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Thanks that some great info there. I've got a new set of Boost pipes inc muffler on its way.
The valve cover was off about 6 weeks ago when I had the cam chain done. I wonder if that disturbed it and somehow aggravated the issue.
I did the dipstick removal PVC check and the engine ran lumpy so that's ok. Whereabouts will I find the check valve you mention?
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Thanks that some great info there. I've got a new set of Boost pipes inc muffler on its way.
The valve cover was off about 6 weeks ago when I had the cam chain done. I wonder if that disturbed it and somehow aggravated the issue.
I did the dipstick removal PVC check and the engine ran lumpy so that's ok. Whereabouts will I find the check valve you mention?
It is likely the check valves are OK. If lots of oil is present, it may be caused more by the splash plate inside the valve cover no longer being sealed and oil excessively being lost when in boost. This is all dependent on the turbo being in good shape and not the cause of the oil leakage.
Older PCV's had both check valves inside the PCV...and the newer revision puts one in the PCV and the other just inside the rear breather tube at its top opening.
If the rear breather tube looks like this...then, both check valves are in the PCV mounted on the valve cover: https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-volkswagen-audi-parts/breather-tube/06f103213n/
This one with the check valve crimped into the opening has just one in the PCV; https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-volkswagen-audi-parts/breather-tube/06f103215b/
This is where the second check valve will be or not be; (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4664/28219935189_ea3f4b6d01.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JZGxyH)
This one has the second check valve inside the PCV...RH side in this pic you can see the white spring loaded disc; http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ndVd2_q27go/TqsXb66WsLI/AAAAAAAAAG8/zOet_dSvVvI/s1600/P1110147.JPG
The check valves flow one direction and should seal when flow is the other direction. The tube from the intake manifold to the PCV should close under boost and open under vacuum. The rear tube opens under boost and closes under vacuum.
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Thanks a lot for explaining that.
I'm pretty sure the PVC will all be ok, it's less than 18 months old. I'll pull the valve cover and have a look when I get a chance, hopefully, that's the problem and not to turbo :scared:
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That's the hope. :drinking:
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Soo I think my turbo is ok....
I was installing the new muffler and charge pipe when and noticed some oil higher up.
I decided to pull the cam cover off and found this mess
(https://preview.ibb.co/n6VCey/20180702_200400.jpg)
There is a build up of oil and gunk in there, probably melted cambelt mixed with oil. I'll know more tomorrow when I manage to get the cover off where it's coming from. Camshaft or crankshaft seal maybe... we'll see
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Looks like it could be cam seal region.
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So a bit more work on this today before the football
I've found a mystery object stuck at the bottom of the engine which it appears the belt has been rubbing on. I've not managed to get it out yet but it appears to be magnetic and has a threaded stud on the back of it. It's about the size of a watch battery. I'd guess its part of some kind of sensor. I think its come from higher up as it looks as if the water pump has taken a hit.
No clear signs of where the oil is coming from yet. You can see the build-up of shredded cambelt gunk.
(https://image.ibb.co/fBAqZy/Object.jpg)
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I would be getting a new cam belt on that ASAP as well.....looks like 25% of the width is missing!
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I would be getting a new cam belt on that ASAP as well.....looks like 25% of the width is missing!
Yup, The car won't be moving an inch until its sorted.
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Good Good! :happy2:
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I do not believe it is supposed to be there; https://cdn4.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/volkswagen_golf_gti_mk_v/57-engine-timing_belt_replacement/images_small/pic28.jpg
I cannot find it specified as anything functional or related...might have fallen off from somewhere, or something, else when a timing belt service was done in the past. Did you try sliding it out? It may have not been magnetic originally...but the constant belt rubbing may have energized it.
As far as the oil origin goes...follow it to its upward most point.
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Nope, it's not supposed to be there.
It's still there at the mo I'm 99% certain I know what it is and how it got there, I need to speak to some people. I won't say any more for now but will update once its all resolved.
But it is where the oil is coming from...
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Hope to hear the responsible own it. :drinking:
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What a mess! Please do let us know what that mystery item is and how it got there!
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Quick update. the object is not what I initially thought it was.
It turns out its the bolt from the lower cam cover. The top bolt sits inside the cover. Unfortunately, it has come loose somehow and dropped into Cambelt. Its made a hole in the Oil sealing flange, which is where the oil was coming from.
I've got all the parts to fix it on order. Luckily not expensive, as I manage to get another sealing flange on ebay for £40, I guess that would of been the most expensive part to buy new. I'm getting new crankshaft seals and washers. The lower crank pulley gear has some broken teeth, got one of those from ebay for £10
I'll drop the sump and check for debris in there, which I've been meaning to do for awhile anyway to clean the strainer.
I'll be putting some thread lock on that bolt when it goes back together! So it's worth checking if you ever have your top cam cover lids off
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My car is still off the road, as I've been so busy with other things (went to BugJam for the day which was fun) but hopefully this week she'll be running again. I'm taking my time over things.
I've got all the parts I need now. Managed to get the sump off last night. I used a 1/4inch flexible extension to get the two awkward bolts, dealt with them very easily, I'd recommend using one instead of the ball head Allen key.
I also fitted my new Intercooler/throttle hardpipes and replaced the horrible VW spring clips with stainless steel jubilee clips.
So tonight things can start going back together. I have to clean and re-fit the sump and strainer. Put the new flange seal on.
Does anyone know the torque settings for
-Oil Pan Bolts
-Big Gearbox->Oil Pan Bolts
-Flange seal Bolts
-crankshaft bolt (I think its 90nm+1/4)
Thanks
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I have this...you should find the torque needed in there. https://blogvager.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/10-audi_a3_qsb_web.pdf
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Finally got my car back on the road yesterday!
All seems fine, apart from my oil level sensor is not working. Hopefully, I forgot to plug it back in and didn't damage it cleaning out the sump, otherwise, the oils got to come out again to replace it.
I've got loads of new bits on there now.
Timing belt, water pump, oil and filter, Aux belt, Aux belt tensioner, Flange seal, Crankcase oil seal, My muffler delete with hard pipes, fresh coolant. Clean oil sump and pickup, so hopefully I'm going to be all good now.
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