Post by: mgt on August 28, 2018, 09:59:17 pm
Edition 30s seem to be commanding c. £2k premium.
Has anyone gone from one to the other and can share their opinion?
Post by: Shoduchi on August 29, 2018, 11:21:23 am
Post by: pudding on August 30, 2018, 04:34:45 pm
Edition 30s were mostly bought by enthusiasts because the average Joe didn't understand the differences back in the day, so this means they are usually better looked after :happy2:
Post by: colesey on August 30, 2018, 05:31:07 pm
When I ordered my car in 2006, I had the choice of regular GTi and ED30 (and also R32, which I passed on). I chose the stock GTi as I didn’t feel the ED30 was particularly special for a limited edition - certainly not in the way that the E30 M3 / Integrale / 964RS had been - and offered little meaningful improvement. The independent road tests of the era largely support that view
I do quite agree the colour coded body kit does look better, though chosing a black GTi minimises the impact of the black plastic. Also the bigger turbo will be better if revving out the engine on a regular basis or should you be intending to chase big bhp tuning. That said, if I were spending £10k on a nice GTi then I would look towards either a Pirelli (which is genuinely rare) or a GTi which someone had spent gazillions on modding with TTE420 / good brakes / suspension etc. Either that or spend £5k on a very well maintained regular GTi.
Post by: pudding on August 30, 2018, 05:46:51 pm
VW did the same with the MK4 Anniversary. They just stuck some BBS rims on it, a slightly bigger turbo, some cosmetic enhancements and called it a day.
They did make a mild effort with the Corrado VR6 in making the engine 100cc bigger than the Golf VR6, but that was it.
The only 2 times they made an effort to distinguish the special models from the bread and butter ones, were the Rallye and G60 Limited. They were days when the engineers had a say in the matter. Everything is marketing led now. Yeah let's just slap some wheels on it, paint this, paint that......it's all people need for a limited edition.
The E30 M3, Integrale etc were steered by motorsports though. VW were never really into that to the same degree. Too conservative and profit orientated. The Rallye was their only attempt at a motorsport special, and it was a flop. Underpowered and unsophisticated 4WD system.
I do like the coherent package of the ED30 though. The styling and wheels work well, and the engine is far meatier past 5000rpm.
When I try and describe the ED30 to my car ignorant mates, I just say it's a GTI with an S3 engine in it, and they seem to get that. As above, my main reasons for going ED30 were the looks, engine and better upkeep from previous owners.
Post by: jonk710 on August 31, 2018, 06:59:38 am
Post by: Dogma on August 31, 2018, 10:28:40 am
I sold my R32 and bought an Edition 30. Hated it, sold it and bought another 32.
Lol. Sorry thats so funny
Hate is a strong word , so why the hate its more or less the same car
ok r32 sounds awesome, but its heavy costs a lot more to run oh and its not that fast either.
Post by: Shoduchi on August 31, 2018, 11:27:38 am
I sold my R32 and bought an Edition 30. Hated it, sold it and bought another 32.
Maybe you drove an Ed. 30 stock. They come to life once remapped. :wink:
Post by: Powervalve Nige on August 31, 2018, 11:34:51 am
Post by: pudding on August 31, 2018, 11:54:30 am
I sold my R32 and bought an Edition 30. Hated it, sold it and bought another 32.
Lol. Sorry thats so funny
Hate is a strong word , so why the hate its more or less the same car
I've had both MK4 and MK5 R32s and went to an ED30 :happy2:
I know from experience how easily remapped GTIs/ED30s walk all over an R32, but it's not all about speed. The car has a lot of character :smiley:
Post by: Dave J on August 31, 2018, 04:26:20 pm
I've not had one, but a guy had one in my set of flats when I had my 1.8t back in 2004 - could always tell when it was fired up!
I slightly disagree about the ED30 being 'just' a parts special. Yes, it has a VW/Audi parts bin engine, but wasn't it the first time that VW put an engine in a Golf from a brand ahead. The 25th anniversary was a lovely marketing & trim special car, but the engines in these on the mkiv chassis were still available in the cheaper VW 180bhp 6spd / 1.9 PD versions. The 230bhp engine in the ED30 was never available in any other MK5, so that is why I feel the ED30 is worthy of respect of its place in VW history. However, VW could have fitted a diff, and then kept the power up at the S3's 265bhp from factory and would have had a hatch to battle the french & Ford offerings. They could have maybe just done a bit more...
Still, if you have access to a cheap mk5 GTI base and K04 engine, then you have a sleeper - the power & chassis without the dress-up (& cost premium)!
Post by: Dogma on August 31, 2018, 05:33:45 pm
I sold my R32 and bought an Edition 30. Hated it, sold it and bought another 32.
Lol. Sorry thats so funny
Hate is a strong word , so why the hate its more or less the same car
I've had both MK4 and MK5 R32s and went to an ED30 :happy2:
I know from experience how easily remapped GTIs/ED30s walk all over an R32, but it's not all about speed. The car has a lot of character :smiley:
I will stick with the vr6 thanks if we going talk about character that will win all day long...
Post by: pudding on September 01, 2018, 08:14:55 pm
Agree with Pudding - there's something about the R32 that is very characterful. I keep looking at the Mkiv R32 prices and they are just going to keep rising on decent ones.
I've not had one, but a guy had one in my set of flats when I had my 1.8t back in 2004 - could always tell when it was fired up!
I slightly disagree about the ED30 being 'just' a parts special. Yes, it has a VW/Audi parts bin engine, but wasn't it the first time that VW put an engine in a Golf from a brand ahead. The 25th anniversary was a lovely marketing & trim special car, but the engines in these on the mkiv chassis were still available in the cheaper VW 180bhp 6spd / 1.9 PD versions. The 230bhp engine in the ED30 was never available in any other MK5, so that is why I feel the ED30 is worthy of respect of its place in VW history. However, VW could have fitted a diff, and then kept the power up at the S3's 265bhp from factory and would have had a hatch to battle the french & Ford offerings. They could have maybe just done a bit more...
Still, if you have access to a cheap mk5 GTI base and K04 engine, then you have a sleeper - the power & chassis without the dress-up (& cost premium)!
The MK4 R32 is better than the MK5 imo, or it would be dynamically if it had a stiffer body shell, but it's styling is way nicer than the MK5. And those epic Konig seats. H&R springs and Bilstein B6s as standard :happy2: When I had mine I was seriously tempted to DSG convert it, but I opted to get a MK5 instead. The MK5 is far better dynamically, but way more boring.
The ED30 is a great overall package imo. It would have been nice if VW gave it unique suspension and gearing to elevate it above the GTI, but it's exactly the same in that respect. Sometimes a car can be more than the sum of it's parts though. Another good example of that is the Corrado VR6 :smiley:
Post by: pudding on September 01, 2018, 08:15:18 pm
I sold my R32 and bought an Edition 30. Hated it, sold it and bought another 32.
Lol. Sorry thats so funny
Hate is a strong word , so why the hate its more or less the same car
I've had both MK4 and MK5 R32s and went to an ED30 :happy2:
I know from experience how easily remapped GTIs/ED30s walk all over an R32, but it's not all about speed. The car has a lot of character :smiley:
I will stick with the vr6 thanks if we going talk about character that will win all day long...
Especially with a turbo attached :drinking:
Post by: Dogma on September 01, 2018, 10:52:58 pm
I sold my R32 and bought an Edition 30. Hated it, sold it and bought another 32.
Lol. Sorry thats so funny
Hate is a strong word , so why the hate its more or less the same car
I've had both MK4 and MK5 R32s and went to an ED30 :happy2:
I know from experience how easily remapped GTIs/ED30s walk all over an R32, but it's not all about speed. The car has a lot of character :smiley:
I will stick with the vr6 thanks if we going talk about character that will win all day long...
Especially with a turbo attached :drinking:
Post by: jonk710 on September 03, 2018, 06:43:08 am
It was stock, i can't really pin point why I didn't like it, just something about it. It was also my first white car and couldn't take to the colour at all. Will never buy another white car.I sold my R32 and bought an Edition 30. Hated it, sold it and bought another 32.
Maybe you drove an Ed. 30 stock. They come to life once remapped. :wink:
Post by: DaveMsport on September 03, 2018, 10:07:05 pm
Trouble is editions are hardly ever for sale over here in Ireland so would be over 10k euro by the time had a good one over and back from the UK and vrt paid on it. The GTI I got for her was only 3500 so would do alot for 5-7k of a difference :grin:
It's the same with my E46 M3. It's Techno Violet is one of only 15 made in that colour and even with all the mods, it's probably still costing half the price of a decent CSL yet its a far more capable car if compared it to an original CSL.
Yes, the limited edition cars are worth more and hold value better but if you never really intend on selling the car, does it really matter?
Post by: Dogma on September 04, 2018, 01:52:08 am
In a nut shell yes.
VW to my mined never really give the standard mk5 GTI the attention to detail they should of, but lucky they released the ed30.
The ED30 is what the mk5 should of been
Post by: unzippy on September 04, 2018, 04:33:07 am
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Edition 30 worth the extra?
Yes. Hope that helps :smiley:
Post by: d0mokun on September 04, 2018, 01:20:33 pm
The Mk5 GTI is an awesome car. The Ed30 (or Pirelli if you swing that way) is an incredible car and the thing that'll be a classic. It just feels that bit more.. special. Having never driven an R32 I'd hazard a guess that it's in the same boat, power or tuning potential notwithstanding.
Dan.
Post by: AJP on September 04, 2018, 06:35:10 pm
Predictably, the modding bug bit again and my GTI is pretty much at its potential on the K03 with all the bolt-ons. Knowing now that an Ed30 with the same mods would be making a solid 350bhp does make me wish I'd held out for one (I've naturally been toying with a k04 conversion for a while), but hindsight ey.
In all honesty it's only the power potential I'm personally missing. For other people it's the exclusivity, or both, which is fair enough. Perhaps if VW released the Ed30 on proper boost like the S3 it'd maybe have caught my attention more at the time, but as we all know VW were never going to release a GTI with more power than the 'flagship' R32.
But anyway, bottom line is all you guys with an Ed30 or Pirelli own the best iteration of arguably the best Golf GTI for decades
Post by: gtipirelli on September 04, 2018, 06:58:15 pm
80k miles and a full VW service history but I am still going to sell in the new year and scratch that Porsche itch. Will be devastated when it goes but life moves on. I have enjoyed every mile in it
Will let you all know when I put it up for sale - just have no idea how much to ask for it
Post by: pudding on September 07, 2018, 09:44:55 am
When I bought my GTI just over 3 years ago I didn't really do much research into the potential of an Ed30 compared to a GTI in power terms - at that point I told myself I was done with the modding game and 200bhp standard would more than suffice...
Predictably, the modding bug bit again and my GTI is pretty much at its potential on the K03 with all the bolt-ons. Knowing now that an Ed30 with the same mods would be making a solid 350bhp does make me wish I'd held out for one (I've naturally been toying with a k04 conversion for a while), but hindsight ey.
In all honesty it's only the power potential I'm personally missing. For other people it's the exclusivity, or both, which is fair enough. Perhaps if VW released the Ed30 on proper boost like the S3 it'd maybe have caught my attention more at the time, but as we all know VW were never going to release a GTI with more power than the 'flagship' R32.
But anyway, bottom line is all you guys with an Ed30 or Pirelli own the best iteration of arguably the best Golf GTI for decades
Your car pretty much looks like and ED30 and goes like one :happy2:
VW deliberately tuned the ED30's power & torque to be under their corporate FWD traction limit. 240hp/tq and above, out came the Spandex 4WD system! Plus there is also the corporate hierarchy as you say. ED30 - 230hp, R32 - 250hp and S3 - 265hp.
Roll on 11 years and the Clubsport S is rocking 306hp and FWD :grin: I guess traction control sytems and tyres weren't up to the task back then. I also think the CSS is aimed at peeps who know how to drive as well, and not for folk who think throttle pedals are binary :grin:
Post by: AJP on September 07, 2018, 10:04:02 am
True. I've spent a fair bit on performance mods so it's genuinely quick now. In fact, it walked all over an S3 recently (which must have been bone stock).When I bought my GTI just over 3 years ago I didn't really do much research into the potential of an Ed30 compared to a GTI in power terms - at that point I told myself I was done with the modding game and 200bhp standard would more than suffice...
Predictably, the modding bug bit again and my GTI is pretty much at its potential on the K03 with all the bolt-ons. Knowing now that an Ed30 with the same mods would be making a solid 350bhp does make me wish I'd held out for one (I've naturally been toying with a k04 conversion for a while), but hindsight ey.
In all honesty it's only the power potential I'm personally missing. For other people it's the exclusivity, or both, which is fair enough. Perhaps if VW released the Ed30 on proper boost like the S3 it'd maybe have caught my attention more at the time, but as we all know VW were never going to release a GTI with more power than the 'flagship' R32.
But anyway, bottom line is all you guys with an Ed30 or Pirelli own the best iteration of arguably the best Golf GTI for decades
Your car pretty much looks like and ED30 and goes like one :happy2:
VW deliberately tuned the ED30's power & torque to be under their corporate FWD traction limit. 240hp/tq and above, out came the Spandex 4WD system! Plus there is also the corporate hierarchy as you say. ED30 - 230hp, R32 - 250hp and S3 - 265hp.
Roll on 11 years and the Clubsport S is rocking 306hp and FWD :grin: I guess traction control sytems and tyres weren't up to the task back then. I also think the CSS is aimed at peeps who know how to drive as well, and not for folk who think throttle pedals are binary :grin:
Three years on and I still love it, Ed30 or not :)
Post by: pudding on September 07, 2018, 11:06:47 am
True. I've spent a fair bit on performance mods so it's genuinely quick now. In fact, it walked all over an S3 recently (which must have been bone stock).When I bought my GTI just over 3 years ago I didn't really do much research into the potential of an Ed30 compared to a GTI in power terms - at that point I told myself I was done with the modding game and 200bhp standard would more than suffice...
Predictably, the modding bug bit again and my GTI is pretty much at its potential on the K03 with all the bolt-ons. Knowing now that an Ed30 with the same mods would be making a solid 350bhp does make me wish I'd held out for one (I've naturally been toying with a k04 conversion for a while), but hindsight ey.
In all honesty it's only the power potential I'm personally missing. For other people it's the exclusivity, or both, which is fair enough. Perhaps if VW released the Ed30 on proper boost like the S3 it'd maybe have caught my attention more at the time, but as we all know VW were never going to release a GTI with more power than the 'flagship' R32.
But anyway, bottom line is all you guys with an Ed30 or Pirelli own the best iteration of arguably the best Golf GTI for decades
Your car pretty much looks like and ED30 and goes like one :happy2:
VW deliberately tuned the ED30's power & torque to be under their corporate FWD traction limit. 240hp/tq and above, out came the Spandex 4WD system! Plus there is also the corporate hierarchy as you say. ED30 - 230hp, R32 - 250hp and S3 - 265hp.
Roll on 11 years and the Clubsport S is rocking 306hp and FWD :grin: I guess traction control sytems and tyres weren't up to the task back then. I also think the CSS is aimed at peeps who know how to drive as well, and not for folk who think throttle pedals are binary :grin:
Three years on and I still love it, Ed30 or not :)
Good stuff :happy2: Likewise, very pleased with mine right now with the chassis mods and standard power. Many thanks for your inspiration on the 340mm brake setup. Loving those too :happy2:
I say standard power, but Revo's idea of stock mode differs from VW's somewhat :grin: It keeps up with 7Rs in rolling squirts :smiley:
Post by: AJP on September 08, 2018, 05:15:16 pm
The brakes are great aren't they. Really glad I ended up with the two piece Clubsport S discs too (after my nightmare with cheap discs). They take a real battering - more than I'd ever realistically give them on the road. I pulled alongside an 18 plate R a couple of days ago and couldn't help feeling a bit smug seeing his one piece discs behind the wheels. They now offer the CSS discs as a 'Performance' pack on the R, incidentally.True. I've spent a fair bit on performance mods so it's genuinely quick now. In fact, it walked all over an S3 recently (which must have been bone stock).When I bought my GTI just over 3 years ago I didn't really do much research into the potential of an Ed30 compared to a GTI in power terms - at that point I told myself I was done with the modding game and 200bhp standard would more than suffice...
Predictably, the modding bug bit again and my GTI is pretty much at its potential on the K03 with all the bolt-ons. Knowing now that an Ed30 with the same mods would be making a solid 350bhp does make me wish I'd held out for one (I've naturally been toying with a k04 conversion for a while), but hindsight ey.
In all honesty it's only the power potential I'm personally missing. For other people it's the exclusivity, or both, which is fair enough. Perhaps if VW released the Ed30 on proper boost like the S3 it'd maybe have caught my attention more at the time, but as we all know VW were never going to release a GTI with more power than the 'flagship' R32.
But anyway, bottom line is all you guys with an Ed30 or Pirelli own the best iteration of arguably the best Golf GTI for decades
Your car pretty much looks like and ED30 and goes like one :happy2:
VW deliberately tuned the ED30's power & torque to be under their corporate FWD traction limit. 240hp/tq and above, out came the Spandex 4WD system! Plus there is also the corporate hierarchy as you say. ED30 - 230hp, R32 - 250hp and S3 - 265hp.
Roll on 11 years and the Clubsport S is rocking 306hp and FWD :grin: I guess traction control sytems and tyres weren't up to the task back then. I also think the CSS is aimed at peeps who know how to drive as well, and not for folk who think throttle pedals are binary :grin:
Three years on and I still love it, Ed30 or not :)
Good stuff :happy2: Likewise, very pleased with mine right now with the chassis mods and standard power. Many thanks for your inspiration on the 340mm brake setup. Loving those too :happy2:
I say standard power, but Revo's idea of stock mode differs from VW's somewhat :grin: It keeps up with 7Rs in rolling squirts :smiley: