MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: candy turbo on February 13, 2010, 11:07:32 am
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just got back from midland vw , had milltek non res center section and custom code stage 1 to replace the sh*tty revo trial i had on last weekend , the result is not what i expected !!!!!!!!!!!! its BETTER :happy2: the drive back was awesome the car now sounds like a performance car the power delivery is nothing short of amazing ! the difference from the drive there with revo trial is night and day ! if any one thinks the S3 is dull come have a go in mine , CUSTOM CODE ..... LEADING THE WAY :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :booty:
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Midland vw I guess isn't a vw garage is it? Glad your happy with it.
Very rare for anyone to put revo and sh*tty in the same post! Lol
I'm sure you've heard the script on the revo trial being written to suit the masses on standard fuel?
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i ve been shot down mate for giving my opinion on revo , but im only talking from my experience imo if that s the best revo can offer as a trial i would stop doing it cause its rubbish !!
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Well everyone has their own experiences and findings of each tuner! :signLOL: Glad your happy now mate.
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love it no one likes REVO being talked down. haha. good to see your happy with the map.
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it feels like a different car now custom code has brought it alive and the bigger growl is awesome too :happy2:
jpc , midland vw is THE place to go down here for all things vag , jodi the main man has a mk 5 r32 turbo atm but he s not impressed , he loves my car :driver:
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Glad your happy Ian :happy2: What is good for one is not necessarily good for the other and all that :wink:
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I'm also glad your happy with your car Ian, and like you say you can only go off your experiences, but you can't honestly think that the hundreds of happy Revo customers are wrong and their cars run badly :smiley:
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love it no one likes REVO being talked down. haha. good to see your happy with the map.
I know its silly. People go on as revos sh*t dont stink and they can do no wrong. Never question revo! :sick:
I like my revo map, but havent tried any others. Jabbas map going by my mates cupra is also really good. His car is quick for stage 1!
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cheers guys , did nt say it ran badly just i was comparing it to my ed30 for smooth delivery the revo trial i had was not good , jodi drove it between changing the center section and doing the re map and came back laughing saying" wait till you get cc on this" after the remap ed test drive he said thats loads faster than revo !! tbh like the ed30 was you can feel it straight away !
tom if you want to start saving bits of milltek , got a resonated center section done 40 miles , half milltek price to you :happy2:
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love it no one likes REVO being talked down. haha. good to see your happy with the map.
I know its silly. People go on as revos sh*t dont stink and they can do no wrong. Never question revo! :sick:
I like my revo map, but havent tried any others. Jabbas map going by my mates cupra is also really good. His car is quick for stage 1!
i just like the under dog i think and imo the under dog is usually the better lots of people turn there nose at skoda s , i had my first in 2002, octavia vrs was a great car test drove a few mk 5 gti s and brought a mk octavia vrs (imo better drive than a oem gti )but when ed30 came out had to have one !!all my previous cars have been CUSTOM CODED inc mk4 gti turbo before that :happy2:
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mrs candys fabia vrs is a brilliant car too , very quick with custom code !!!!! and 56 mpg :happy2:
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cheers guys , did nt say it ran badly just i was comparing it to my ed30 for smooth delivery the revo trial i had was not good , jodi drove it between changing the center section and doing the re map and came back laughing saying" wait till you get cc on this" after the remap ed test drive he said thats loads faster than revo !! tbh like the ed30 was you can feel it straight away !
tom if you want to start saving bits of milltek , got a resonated center section done 40 miles , half milltek price to you :happy2:
Thats a really nice gesture Ian but I aint got a pot to piss in at the mo :sad1:
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cheers guys , did nt say it ran badly just i was comparing it to my ed30 for smooth delivery the revo trial i had was not good , jodi drove it between changing the center section and doing the re map and came back laughing saying" wait till you get cc on this" after the remap ed test drive he said thats loads faster than revo !! tbh like the ed30 was you can feel it straight away !
tom if you want to start saving bits of milltek , got a resonated center section done 40 miles , half milltek price to you :happy2:
Thats what I find a bit odd Ian, its one of the things several people (car nuts like the rest of us) that have been in my car have commented on, how smooth it makes the power. I'm by no means a Revo fan boy I have used several other companies maps in the past and been more than happy, but I can't help but think there must have been a glitch somewhere for the Revo trial to be that dissapointing.
At least alls sorted now :happy2:
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cheers guys , did nt say it ran badly just i was comparing it to my ed30 for smooth delivery the revo trial i had was not good , jodi drove it between changing the center section and doing the re map and came back laughing saying" wait till you get cc on this" after the remap ed test drive he said thats loads faster than revo !! tbh like the ed30 was you can feel it straight away !
tom if you want to start saving bits of milltek , got a resonated center section done 40 miles , half milltek price to you :happy2:
Thats what I find a bit odd Ian, its one of the things several people (car nuts like the rest of us) that have been in my car have commented on, how smooth it makes the power. I'm by no means a Revo fan boy I have used several other companies maps in the past and been more than happy, but I can't help but think there must have been a glitch somewhere for the Revo trial to be that dissapointing.
At least alls sorted now :happy2:
+1 :congrats: :happy2:
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skodas are the way forward, everyone expects a gti to be quick, but they dont expect the vRS to be as quick as it is. thats why i love it.
I do see what pov is saying though. REVO cant do a thing wrong on here, but there is also no denying the quality of revo and the large fan base it has. i have driven them at all stages on the k03 and they are very good. but its all about what the individual wants the delivery to be like. the delivery on mine os so much more linear and smooth than when i had bluefin.
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Revo trial is never going to be as good as a full cutom code software :rolleye: i am no Revo fan boy after having other maps on other cars but with Revo u know its going to be good. What u should have done is had the full Revo put on and then see what u thought and if u did not like Revo would take it off and give u your money back then u could say its a sh1tty map :rolleye:
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what doesnt make sense is why wouldnt the revo trial be as good as the normal package. if it was only 70% then they would lose customers as has just happened.
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its a tester pure and simple not the full fat version
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its a tester pure and simple not the full fat version
but is it. its a trial map, that says to me try our software and see how good it is
its not a taster map which says here this is almost as good as the proper software.
dont get me wrong i rate REVO alot,
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It sounds to me that Revo need to rethink their trial software.
The main reason why Revo have such a lot of fans is because they are good. Look at the history of AmD: They used to be Numero Uno in the tuning world but staff changed etc and they went downhill before the recovery they are enjoying now.
As Sy says [so tempted to write "Simple Simon Says"]: A big factor is what the individual likes best regarding power delivery. Both myself and my passengers enjoy Revo's power curve.
I have no direct experience of Custom Code but have heard people who's opinions I respect call it Custard Code. But it's right that we each express our opinions no matter how enthusiastically and you, Ian, are always enthusiastic! Bless you! [I wonder if being enthusiastic has anything to do with having a red car :evilgrin:]
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on mk6 GTI and rocco its 30 day money back rather than free trial, to my knowledge their have been no takers etto
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what doesnt make sense is why wouldnt the revo trial be as good as the normal package. if it was only 70% then they would lose customers as has just happened.
do you think revo say its only 70% because the car will never be fully adapted to the software by the time the trial finishes?
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30-day Money Back on full software is a much better option methinks :happy2:
I've just spent a weekend in bed with 'this-really-hot-laydee' [substitute who you fancy].. Do I really have to send her away?
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as i said im a fan of REVO ive driven a fair amount of revo cars and have always liked the dleivery and power/torque, but there are other options out there just as good. i know i have one myself.
saying that i know of two guys on briskoda who are considering leaving REVO because they are not entirely happy with it.
one is k04 REVO stage 3 and thinks the delivery is to aggressive to be driven fast and wants something more progressive so is looking into custom code sofware after trying their software before hand(he thinks his car was faster in normal street driving when he was k03 stage 2+ because traction wasnt such an issue).
The other is REVO k03 stage 2+ who is considering a change to shark perfomance stage 3
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as i said im a fan of REVO ive driven a fair amount of revo cars and have always liked the dleivery and power/torque, but there are other options out there just as good. i know i have one myself.
saying that i know of two guys on briskoda who are considering leaving REVO because they are not entirely happy with it.
one is k04 REVO stage 3 and thinks the delivery is to aggressive to be driven fast and wants something more progressive so is looking into custom code sofware after trying their software before hand(he thinks his car was faster in normal street driving when he was k03 stage 2+ because traction wasnt such an issue).
The other is REVO k03 stage 2+ who is considering a change to shark perfomance stage 3
....Again Simple Simon has hit the nail on the head!
Those guys are overdoing it imo - We need driveability. As bacillus says: "Without traction, power is nothing!"
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....Again Simple Simon has hit the nail on the head!
Those guys are overdoing it imo
they were setup by JKM.
why simple simon. i must be simple because i dont see wher that comes rom
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....Again Simple Simon has hit the nail on the head!
Those guys are overdoing it imo
they were setup by JKM.
why simple simon. i must be simple because i dont see wher that comes rom
....Sorry about the Simple Simon Says reference - It's from an old song and not meant to insult you but was just banter. My writing "Sy says" led to it coming into my head.
Knowing JKM I'm confident they will have done a good job but if a customer wants a certain combination of mods they'll obviously do them as long as it's not obviously leading to serious problems.
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....Sorry about the Simple Simon Says reference - It's from an old song and not meant to insult you but was just banter. My writing "Sy says" led to it coming into my head.
ah now i see where it came from.
Knowing JKM I'm confident they will have done a good job but if a customer wants a certain combination of mods they'll obviously do them as long as it's not obviously leading to serious problems.
nothing special on them just the usual, S3 coolers, TBE evoms, autotech HPFP and the normal revo software etc.
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nothing special on them just the usual, S3 coolers, TBE evoms, autotech HPFP and the normal revo software etc.
....Then I'm probably wrong. I interpreted your earlier post as saying that the Revo 2+ was giving them driveability issues.
The 2+ code does work everything harder. Which is why I've stayed at Revo2 - Gives me more driveability and more headroom.
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Basically you pay your money you make your choice..
Personally I find the customer service appalling, aftercare even worse, maps are generic tosh bought in from Holland (that anyone can get their hands on) and its been proven over and over that there are superior options on the market..
With that said, I really dont think this thread should end up with Custom code vs. Revo 'argument'.. Candy has decided that Custom code is the best option to go for and good luck to him!
Hope you enjoy it and let us know how you get on! :happy2:
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Basically you pay your money you make your choice..
Personally I find the customer service appalling, aftercare even worse, maps are generic tosh bought in from Holland (that anyone can get their hands on) and its been proven over and over that there are superior options on the market..
With that said, I really dont think this thread should end up with Custom code vs. Revo 'argument'.. Candy has decided that Custom code is the best option to go for and good luck to him!
Hope you enjoy it and let us know how you get on! :happy2:
Are you talking about Revo or CC regarding the customer servive and Holland maps?
Simon i find my KO4 software on mine quite good, with any high power will get some wheel slip in wet conditions, though i'm surprised someone isn't happy about 2+ on their KO3..
Does Shark perfoemnce do a map for the KO4? If so can he improve on stage 3 Revo, less aggressive more power?
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just got in from driving all afternoon , imo the car is fu&*ing amazing , if i was aware i could have the revo in full and get my money back if i was nt satisfied i would have done that BUT i personally dont think any one could make this car any better than it is at stage 1 with my mild mods
and i agree you get what you pay for , i had stage 1 remap , milltek non res center section fitted and £100 left from what revo would have cost me , as for customer service midland vw / custom code is brilliant , ive had dealings with them for 6 years + and no complaints :happy2: :happy2: :happy2: :happy2:
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Are you talking about Revo or CC regarding the customer servive and Holland maps?
CC, but like I say, just my experience thats all..
Candy..
Sounds like your really pleased with it! Have fun :smiley:
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all the tuners use the same device to write maps, only difference is the person writing it. Revo customer service is hardly anything to shout about either.
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all the tuners use the same device to write maps, only difference is the person writing it. Revo customer service is hardly anything to shout about either.
....In your experience. It's weird how different people have such very different and opposite experiences.
But let's not start a debate!
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all the tuners use the same device to write maps, only difference is the person writing it. Revo customer service is hardly anything to shout about either.
never had bad service with APR or Revo on my last 2 mapped cars and Revo were very good when i was down at vwr a few months back i pm them on here to ask if they would mind just checking to make sure all is well with my car and as soon as i turned up with my 2 year old son they were spot on very very helpfull and even did all the logging and and checking for free no messing about at all :smiley: pefect service
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....You feeling hungry, stokey? :grin:
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:popcornsoda:
....You feeling hungry, stokey? :grin:
just interested to read good and bad points............ :innocent:
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Are you talking about Revo or CC regarding the customer servive and Holland maps?
CC, but like I say, just my experience thats all..
Candy..
Sounds like your really pleased with it! Have fun :smiley:
cheers mate , i really value your opinion on any thing , cause reading your threads you are at the top of your tree as it were but i think that may be the difference here myself and jonnyc are at complete opposite ends of the tuning spectrum , i spend a few hudred quid here and there on stage 1 and milltek etc where as jonny is no expense spared tuning heaven
i would nt want my car any faster than it is now cause i personally would not be able to use more speed on current uk roads
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all the tuners use the same device to write maps, only difference is the person writing it. Revo customer service is hardly anything to shout about either.
....In your experience. It's weird how different people have such very different and opposite experiences.
But let's not start a debate!
Exactly, im just saying revo is no better or no worse than custom code, or apr etc
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all the tuners use the same device to write maps, only difference is the person writing it. Revo customer service is hardly anything to shout about either.
....In your experience. It's weird how different people have such very different and opposite experiences.
But let's not start a debate!
Exactly, im just saying revo is no better or no worse than custom code, or apr etc
same here ,revo is just better advertised and loads more money !!!
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all the tuners use the same device to write maps, only difference is the person writing it. Revo customer service is hardly anything to shout about either.
....In your experienc. It's weird how different people have such very different and opposite experiences.But let's not start a debate!
Exactly, im just saying revo is no better or no worse than custom code, or apr etc
id agree with that(but dont start me on bluefin lol), each forum tends to have a favourite tuner, this one is revo. the SCN is very varied with tuners
Simon i find my KO4 software on mine quite good, with any high power will get some wheel slip in wet conditions, though i'm surprised someone isn't happy about 2+ on their KO3..
Does Shark performance do a map for the KO4? If so can he improve on stage 3 Revo, less aggressive more power?
TBH mate i wouldnt know as i havent seen one or experienced one yet.
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....You feeling hungry, stokey? :grin:
just interested to read good and bad points............ :innocent:
....The 'popcorn' emoticon can have different meanings - Often to signify someone is waiting to see some drama/action like when sat in a movie with a bag of popcorn and a can of drink, and in a 'bring it on' sense.
The bottom line is that we just have to make up our own minds based on our own individual experiences and not take much notice of some geezer on the interweb (me included) who happened to have a different experience. Which is what I think candy turbo has done.
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all i know that i m 100% happy with the car now , and if i was looking for a map on a car in the future revo would be bottom of my list :wink:
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all i know that i m 100% happy with the car now , and if i was looking for a map on a car in the future revo would be bottom of my list :wink:
....Enjoy what you got, mate :drinking:
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candy makes me chuckle slagging of revo without even giving it a propper go! do custard code do trial maps?! i personally did a lot of research and asked a few people before deciding revo. ok so you got a map cheap, do you get the ability to immobilise the car or adjust the settings according to what you put on there? its evident to me that you will continue to mod your S3 but you keep saying you only want stage 1 with a downpipe! bonkers :stupid:
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you make me laugh too pal , you have not read the posts at all !! have not slagged revo at all just said every one rav s about revo so i went and got a trial AND FOR ME it was not up to the mark if it was i would have had no problem paying the money they ask (rob)
for ME as i said the difference between CC and revo trial is day and night . custom code has done , yet again just what i wanted , i dont want to tinker with the settings and my car has an immobillizer of its own
and it DONT have a milltek down pipe so my friend you are the bonkers one (and i suppose you have revo ?) :chicken:
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This was an interesting topic as I am currently saving for a new car with better tune-ability (tsi 140). Put revo vs custom code into google and from the little I read it seems that revo has more torque at lower revs and delivers power more urgently. The CC they said seems to deliver the power over more of the rev range and is not as brutal.
This is from a thread on ukmkivs I think.
Is that the general views and differences?
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isn't revo v cc just like ford v vauxhall it just comes down to personal preferance, I think the smoother mapping is better than something thats aggressive and i've never been a revo fan, i've always prefered superchips, but then not everybody likes them. I may even consider having a jabba custom map since they are closer to me than anyone else, but that will be for when i go to stage 2 however superchips only charge £50 so i would possibly be mad to pay any more than i need to. Yes revo gives you the ability to tune your car but i have no desire to ever want to do that because without a RR or VAGcom I have no idea what the results might be, thats why we pay proffesionals to play with things like that.
One thing that does seem odd though is the REVO trial, surely if you the intention is to sell you a product you would want it to be the best you could to ensure the sale, its like roadtesting a GTi but VW putting a 1.2 under the bonnet and saying yeah its good but if you buy one you will get a 2.0 .... it don't make sense to me.
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^^^^^^^ could nt agree more :happy2:
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^^^^^^^ could nt agree more :happy2:
they should defo give the full version on trial i think too so u know what your getting
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all the tuners use the same device to write maps, only difference is the person writing it
Not to start an argument.. But! Where the hell did you dream that up!?
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so do custom code offer a trial ? i think common sense dictates that revos trial is for people to experience a little more from their engine, not for people who know the engines capabilities already. and yes i opted for revo because i realised its the best option available for me. and i never even bothered with the trial because i knew it wasnt the full thing. i may have miss read about the down pipe so apologies but it still looks to me that you will eventually be looking for more out of your car :happy2:
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i tried a APR trial on mine but once the map had gone my car would not start for a good 20min :confused: and it did the same to my a3 2.0t dsg :surprised: apr/awesome said they had never had that happen before :confused: must be just me then :laugh:
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i had already had CC trial in my ed30 so knew what to expect , performace wise now the car is where i want it so should nt be doing any more :happy2:
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i had already had CC trial in my ed30 so knew what to expect , performace wise now the car is where i want it so should not be doing any more :happy2:
....We've never heard anyone say that before, have we guys?
And look what happened! :evilgrin:
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i had already had CC trial in my ed30 so knew what to expect , performace wise now the car is where i want it so should not be doing any more :happy2:
....We've never heard anyone say that before, have we guys?
And look what happened! :evilgrin:
Must resist getting envolved. :signLOL:
Ok Never say Never Ian.
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Just read a fair bit of this thread and this is how it reads...
Candy - you had a revo trial and didnt like it, went custom code and loved it ... Result for you
The trial apparently isnt a true version so is irrelevant... :rolleye:
People who have revo love it... :happy2:
Others like other maps... :happy2:
I have bluefin and love it ... :happy2:
If someone says to me ' Bluefin is sh*t' , I say 'OK' I don't really care ... Whats going on :scared:
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Really, another one of these threads? What are we, like 8 years old FFS.
Spend your money where you want, if you want to compare cocks, then do it somewhere it can be measured.
Yawn.
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Of recent years I found VW Racing excellent and very helpful.
I have had alot of work done by Jim at Awesome and they have always been helpful.
Having had the APR Stage 3+ on my my MKIV and their stage 2 software on the Edition 30 I was very happy with their OE feel to their tuning philosophy. The stage 3 was much more powerful higher up than the edition which had more low down punch.
I used to go to Brian Rickett's at BR Motorsport and Geoff and Mike at the original AmD. Geoff was ex BMW techinical adviser and helped develop Crypton tuning machines prior to setting up AmD. He certainly knew his stuff from VAG Porsche and BMW.
Laterly I also teamed up with Tim Stiles who sold out the business but luckily his old best mechanics are still around.
I'm on the hunt for some new wheels as I fancy something different again.....watch this space!!
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good luck with the hunt msportman :happy2:
have to agree with tony danza. i find it hard to understand why candy has made this thread after the pain of the one a few days ago. completely pointless :indifferent:
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did nt force you to read it nor make comment :booty:
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when a thread title is in CAPITAL LETTERS is kind of gets your attention! :rolleye:
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did nt force you to read it nor make comment :booty:
No (other than this being a public forum).... but the way you've gone about this thread just smacks of "my Dad could 'ave your Dad".
Your remap could be the best in the world, but the way you've gone about this just ruins any credibilty of the review.
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I must admit I was wondering if I'd strayed into MaxPower! :signLOL:
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like Jonny said pay yer money and all that, but why call it custom code when its anything but that.
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did nt force you to read it nor make comment :booty:
No (other than this being a public forum).... but the way you've gone about this thread just smacks of "my Dad could 'ave your Dad".
Your remap could be the best in the world, but the way you've gone about this just ruins any credibilty of the review.
you are right this is a public forum , so i thought i could voice my opinion on here with out all this crap ...
i dont really care about the credibility of the review all i m saying is that in my experience custom code makes for a better driving S3 than the revo did , i know the revo was a trial but i was led to believe the real thing was only slighty better !
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like Jonny said pay yer money and all that, but why call it custom code when its anything but that.
i m led to believe that its called custom code due to they have different maps for each type of said engine where as some tuners have 1 generic map per engine type , eg they have lots of maps for each type of tfsi
stage 2 on are pure custom maps :happy2:
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If someone wants to share their views about Revo, CC, or anything else, it doesn't matter two monkeys whether everyone or anybody agrees with those views or not.
Neither does it matter whether someone else posts an opposing view.
All candy turbo has done is express himself, albeit with more exclamation marks and in more dogmatic language than I and many others would have done, but it matters diddlysquat.
Besides, if I saw a post by him without excalamation marks and without dogma, I might think he wasn't well! It's just candy turbo's style.
Every opinion posted on this or any other blog/forum is in effect a recommendation engine whether we like it or not. Why be so paranoic about what is a form of promotion and hence advertising? Are people so stupid they can't make up their own minds when presented with information and get too hung up about how it's presented?
Personally I'm not attracted to Custom Code and I am attracted to Revo products but I thank you, Ian, for sharing your views whether I agree with them or not on this occasion.
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I'd like to think that I know a little more about Custom Code than some people on here do. My car was used as the test bed for what is their stage 2+ map which was done over 3 days at JBS Autodesigns. The map was very good, very smooth and very progressive, which I can understand a lot of people will love and be very happy with. I have also been out in a couple of Custom Code S3's of which both were very strong, one just at stage 1 and the other stage 2+.
In this respect I can see why Candy love's his remap.
I can also understand why he was unhappy with his brief experience with REVO as it looks like the trial map isn't a "full fat" map like peeps have said.
What I don't agree with is the sideways swipe he gives to REVO if he hasn't experienced the full remap.
Candy, you can ONLY slate REVO's ethos in giving a "low fat" experience to you and not the full remap as you simply haven't experienced it.
As for customer satisfaction, I was very happy with Custom Code through JBS and I am even happier with the reception I have had in my many conversations and discussions with Carl at REVO.
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Does make a change to the APR v's Revo arguement thats been going on for years.
Should add that i wouldnt have CC if it was free. That arguement is for another day though lol :happy2: :grin:
APR and Revo where born from the same gene pool, I rate both.
In my view APR do the best KO3 software and Revo do the best KO4 software. As for big turbo software, Revo have to lead the way just because APR are not willing to support hardware not developed by themselves.
CC will suit some but not all people. They just dont have the knowledge that APR and Revo do, or the customer support.,
You pay your money and take a chance.
Also you have got to ask yourself, why would any remap company not give you the full beans on their trial software? If anything, they would give you a less safe more powerful map to tempt you to buy their software.
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Reading the above views and comments, I think Candy Turbo made the right choice as I feel Revo (Whom I have used Stage 2+ on my MKIV) should have a trial map that really shows the performance increase rather than be a softer version of their 'proper' map which in this case has lost them a potential customer.
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all the tuners use the same device to write maps, only difference is the person writing it
Not to start an argument.. But! Where the hell did you dream that up!?
What I have been told. Anyone can buy the device and make their own maps. But like as usual you probably know better dont you jonny?
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all the tuners use the same device to write maps, only difference is the person writing it
Not to start an argument.. But! Where the hell did you dream that up!?
What I have been told. Anyone can buy the device and make their own maps. But like as usual you probably know better dont you jonny?
Your right. Anyone can buy a device and program to write remaps for any car. Takes alot of r&d to do it safely. They dont use the same hardware and software to write their maps though. Jonnyc is blinkered by many things, but in this instance, he is right.
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did nt force you to read it nor make comment :booty:
No (other than this being a public forum).... but the way you've gone about this thread just smacks of "my Dad could 'ave your Dad".
Your remap could be the best in the world, but the way you've gone about this just ruins any credibilty of the review.
you are right this is a public forum , so i thought i could voice my opinion on here with out all this crap ...
i dont really care about the credibility of the review all i m saying is that in my experience custom code makes for a better driving S3 than the revo did , i know the revo was a trial but i was led to believe the real thing was only slighty better !
See that's the type of thing that'd make me sit up and listen.
Forgive me, I know you're only displaying your enthusiasm, but when I see the kind of posting you get on Vortex I just switch off - they could be telling me my house was on fire and I'd not bat an eyelid.
Friends of mine built the landmark UK 1.8Ts back in the day and all had different ideas of what tuner was best. I've seen all the bitching, threats of lawsuits, dirty tactics and "buying" people off. I've seen people used a pawns in power struggles. I've seen how rumours and snide actions can make and break. The lessons learnt back then is it was no good for any of them, the yanks might love that way of working, but it doesn't work here.
Thankfully everyone's grown up in the UK these days. I hope.
If you weren't happy with your REVO trial, why didn't you just go back to them and discuss why it didn't give you what you wanted? You still might have gone with CC, it may even be a better map. But in the bigger picture you'd have been doing more of a favour for other S3 owners by working with people and giving them useful feedback.
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is this thread for real? Its only a remap for gods sake!!!
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Forgive me, I know you're only displaying your enthusiasm, but when I see the kind of posting you get on Vortex I just switch off - they could be telling me my house was on fire and I'd not bat an eyelid.
....But you didn't because you're here on page 6. It's best to always keep an open mind imo and see beyond someone's style of presentation.
If you weren't happy with your REVO trial, why didn't you just go back to them and discuss why it didn't give you what you wanted? You still might have gone with CC, it may even be a better map. But in the bigger picture you'd have been doing more of a favour for other S3 owners by working with people and giving them useful feedback.
....Discussing it with Revo would have been a good thing to do but it's reasonable for anyone to assume that a Trial is truly representative of the real thing. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't Revo no longer offer Trials now and apply a 30-day option?
However, I wouldn't be inclined to be a guinea pig just for the sake of other S3 owners.
One thing is very clear and that is how mature and reasoned 99% of the discussion in this thread has been - This site is one of the very best for that.
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is this thread for real? Its only a remap for gods sake!!!
....You bet it's for real.
A remap ONLY effects the enjoyment of every single mile the car owner drives.
A remap ONLY effects the behaviour and hence health of the owner's valuable car.
A remap ONLY represents a significant financial investment to many car owners.
Need I go on?
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do see what pov is saying though. REVO cant do a thing wrong on here.
Depends who you ask Sy :fighting:
As you know my experiences with REVO have not been entirely joyous.
You ARE (i'll pull rank if i have to :wink: :P :grin:) going on JKM's rollers next week and taking me for a drive in your car as i am contemplating jumping ship at the moment and it's a toss up between APR & Shark
saying that i know of two guys on briskoda who are considering leaving REVO because they are not entirely happy with it.
The other is REVO k03 stage 2+ who is considering a change to shark perfomance stage 3
Wonder who that is :booty: :booty:
Carl :happy2:
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Forgive me, I know you're only displaying your enthusiasm, but when I see the kind of posting you get on Vortex I just switch off - they could be telling me my house was on fire and I'd not bat an eyelid.
....But you didn't because you're here on page 6. It's best to always keep an open mind imo and see beyond someone's style of presentation.
If you weren't happy with your REVO trial, why didn't you just go back to them and discuss why it didn't give you what you wanted? You still might have gone with CC, it may even be a better map. But in the bigger picture you'd have been doing more of a favour for other S3 owners by working with people and giving them useful feedback.
....Discussing it with Revo would have been a good thing to do but it's reasonable for anyone to assume that a Trial is truly representative of the real thing. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't Revo no longer offer Trials now and apply a 30-day option?
However, I wouldn't be inclined to be a guinea pig just for the sake of other S3 owners.
One thing is very clear and that is how mature and reasoned 99% of the discussion in this thread has been - This site is one of the very best for that.
Eh? Look in the review section of the forum, what's the one thing they all have in common, including your own ones?
They're all fair, balanced and written with helping others in mind. That's what's good about this forum. Now, why aren't I allowed to decide that posting reviews in such a manner is better than the US style, or tell others that's what I prefer to see?....
Something may well be sh*te, but at least ellaborate on why.
Regarding the trial and feedback, there might have been something fundamentally wrong with the map he was given. How will anyone ever know? How many other S3 owners could have been given a duff trial?
Look at what happened with Bluefin. Everyone slagged it off and abandoned ship for other tuners because it wasn't performing - then one person had the good sense to actually talk to Superchips, the problem was found, resolved and everyone benefitted.
I don't call that being a guinea pig, I call it good sense.
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I think we are largely in agreement, Mike - We all help each other (but only up to a point) and generally are very respectful and well behaved towards each other.
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Unless I'm missing the point but isn't the Revo trial only for 5 hours? :confused:
That would explain after the initial euphoria why things were "sh*t" and how CC are so much better...... :laugh:
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@carl
pulling rank i like that lol. i have quite af few extra duties this month after a little misdemeanour in the mess (on the day i got promoted), so im pretty busy if you know what i mean. im trying to shuffle duties around but its still up in the air.
dependant if shark_90 gets his HPFP in time from this group buy he might have the stage 3 map on his for the JKM RR day. so you will be able to drive that.
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Cleaning the toilets with a toothbrush, Sy? That sort of thing literally used to happen in my father's day as a Grenadier Guard.
While still off-topic, is Sharky Ben coming to the JKM dyno day?
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as usual you probably know better dont you jonny?
Yep :wink:
Jonnyc is blinkered by many things
??? Yeah completely disillusioned.. :laugh:
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if i would have thought this thread got so many guys fired up i would have made it more juicy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks robin for understanding me :wink:
i m spending valentines day with the one i love , treating her to dodo juice then i m taking mrs candy out later !!!
and remember guys custom code ftw :drool: :drool: :grin:
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and remember guys custom code wtf :drool: :drool: :grin:
don't you mean ftw? :wink:
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if i would have thought this thread got so many guys fired up i would have made it more juicy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks robin for understanding me :wink:
i m spending valentines day with the one i love , treating her to dodo juice then i m taking mrs candy out later !!!
and remember guys custom code wtf :drool: :drool: :grin:
Was that a freudian slip of the keyboard Candy?
Surely you meant FTW and not WTF :signLOL:
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yes :happy2:
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spending the day with the one you love :signLOL:
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Hurdy, what made you change to Revo from CC in the end?
@Carl why are you changing from revo stage 2+? Is the map giving you problems mate?
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is this thread for real? Its only a remap for gods sake!!!
....You bet it's for real.
A remap ONLY effects the enjoyment of every single mile the car owner drives.
A remap ONLY effects the behaviour and hence health of the owner's valuable car.
A remap ONLY represents a significant financial investment to many car owners.
Need I go on?
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i think you have totally missed my point, i have a remap its great but would i get upset if somebody said to revo is better than giac for example? The answer is no i wouldnt as i have a life.
Not directed at the op but this is a gay thread where people are taking it way to seriously.
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if i would have thought this thread got so many guys fired up i would have made it more juicy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks robin for understanding me :wink:
i m spending valentines day with the one i love , treating her to dodo juice then i m taking mrs candy out later !!!
and remember guys custom code wtf :drool: :drool: :grin:
Was that a freudian slip of the keyboard Candy?
Surely you meant FTW and not WTF :signLOL:
i think both are suitable for what i m saying :signLOL:
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i think you have totally missed my point, i have a remap its great but would i get upset if somebody said to revo is better than giac for example? The answer is no i wouldnt as i have a life.
....Then perhaps you need to be more articulate in expressing your point.
But, like you, one remap vs another doesn't bother me either.
Not directed at the op but this is a gay thread where people are taking it way to seriously.
....You're not homophobic are you? :smiley:
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@Carl why are you changing from revo stage 2+? Is the map giving you problems mate?
You could say that yes
Carl :happy2:
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@Carl why are you changing from revo stage 2+? Is the map giving you problems mate?
You could say that yes
Carl :happy2:
What sort of problems? Mine ran faultlessly when i had it.
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Hurdy, what made you change to Revo from CC in the end?
I went to GTI International and my car simply wasn't performing. 0-60 in 5.55 (I'd done 5.6 stock in 2007!!)and 13.9 to 14.1 second 1/4 mile passes were frankly rubbish.
I spoke to Carl on the REVO stand and he basically said that I'd notice a difference straight away with a stage 2+ map and they were offering a good discount and the SPS+ controller for free.
I gave it a go and my first go in the afternoon I ran the fastest MKV section 0-60 at 5.16 and a decent 1/4 mile of 13.6. All done without more than 10 mins adaptation of the map to the car.
I'd always thought about swapping to REVO as I do tend to change my mods and so a map that offers an SPS+ controller that allows me to adjust boost, fuel and timing was a great addition. The fact that it blew the previous CC on my car into the weeds in terms of performance was a real bonus. :smiley:
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hurdy i want to have a ride in your car mate ?
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hurdy i want to have a ride in your car mate ?
Where are you based?
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My bottom lip is bleeding i've bitten it that hard..
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not far from you mate , near ashby de la zouch but i m always in donny at the in laws too , whens the next forum meet ? :happy2:
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My bottom lip is bleeding i've bitten it that hard..
come join the party mate , have your say :laugh: :laugh:
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My bottom lip is bleeding i've bitten it that hard..
Go on you know you gotta get it off your chest, it's not good to hold it in :jumping:
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@Carl why are you changing from revo stage 2+? Is the map giving you problems mate?
You could say that yes
Carl :happy2:
What sort of problems? Mine ran faultlessly when i had it.
I still have the same problem that i had when Stage 2+ was first done. Your Stage 2+ file is/was a different file to the current one that REVO supply. There were no issues i am aware of with that version on the file. But they changed/updated something in it for some reason and now in my opinion it is flawed.
Im not saying the code is bad or damaging. It just has a slight glitch in it in my opinion (and a couple of other people's).
Carl :happy2:
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My bottom lip is bleeding i've bitten it that hard..
come join the party mate , have your say :laugh: :laugh:
I think this debate is burning beutifully without needing to add my fuel to the fire... But at the end of the day, if you're a happy customer (much like myself) that is all that counts.. :happy2:
Just think it could of been worded better that's all.. :wink:
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My bottom lip is bleeding i've bitten it that hard..
come join the party mate , have your say :laugh: :laugh:
I think this debate is burning beutifully without needing to add my fuel to the fire... But at the end of the day, if you're a happy customer (much like myself) that is all that counts.. :happy2:
Just think it could of been worded better that's all.. :wink:
cheers mate for your opinion , i would like to know how different tom s car feels out on the road now to mine but his is stronic which makes a difference , i was nt slagging revo off just saying there are alteratives out there and for some people like myself are better than revo at a fraction of the cost , some one commented how revo s sh*t dont stink on the forums that made me smile :happy2:
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My bottom lip is bleeding i've bitten it that hard..
come join the party mate , have your say :laugh: :laugh:
I think this debate is burning beutifully without needing to add my fuel to the fire... But at the end of the day, if you're a happy customer (much like myself) that is all that counts.. :happy2:
Just think it could of been worded better that's all.. :wink:
cheers mate for your opinion , i would like to know how different tom s car feels out on the road now to mine but his is stronic which makes a difference , i was nt slagging revo off just saying there are alteratives out there and for some people like myself are better than revo at a fraction of the cost , some one commented how revo s sh*t dont stink on the forums that made me smile :happy2:
Tom Vs Ian at next Pod meet? :evilgrin: :jumping:
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that would be good but as ive said before that dont really interest me for my car , its out on the roads where it matters to me :driver:
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not far from you mate , near ashby de la zouch but i m always in donny at the in laws too , whens the next forum meet ? :happy2:
There are a few of us in South Yorkshire, so who knows. :smiley:
Tom Vs Ian at next Pod meet? :evilgrin: :jumping:
It would be interesting, but it maybe about the smoothness of the map for Candy as well as the performance. Remember, he does have that manual gearbox to contend with :wink:
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My bottom lip is bleeding i've bitten it that hard..
come join the party mate , have your say :laugh: :laugh:
I think this debate is burning beutifully without needing to add my fuel to the fire... But at the end of the day, if you're a happy customer (much like myself) that is all that counts.. :happy2:
Just think it could of been worded better that's all.. :wink:
cheers mate for your opinion , i would like to know how different tom s car feels out on the road now to mine but his is stronic which makes a difference , i was nt slagging revo off just saying there are alteratives out there and for some people like myself are better than revo at a fraction of the cost , some one commented how revo s sh*t dont stink on the forums that made me smile :happy2:
Tom Vs Ian at next Pod meet? :evilgrin: :jumping:
I can honestly say Tom's car is quick. after the last RR day at Halifax we had a spirited drive back over the tops and there was nothin in acceleration wize, despite a 40bhp difference on the RR :happy2:
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When I had my Custom Code Stage 2+ on my ED30 I was extremely happy with it, it was a sensationally fast car.....BUT to due to recent dealings with Custom Code's after sales service which I do not wish to go into I would never ever go near them again! :smiley:
I decided to go with Revo on the S3 because of the good reviews they were getting from all angles, as soon as I had the car done I knew I had made the right choice, i'm sure Dan won't like me saying this but my S3 stage 1 Revo is just as fast as my old stage 2+ Custom Code ED30!
As long as Ian is happy with the car that is all that matters imo :happy2:
I'm up for a duel at the pod but I only race for pinks! :grin: :grin:
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My bottom lip is bleeding i've bitten it that hard..
come join the party mate , have your say :laugh: :laugh:
I think this debate is burning beutifully without needing to add my fuel to the fire... But at the end of the day, if you're a happy customer (much like myself) that is all that counts.. :happy2:
Just think it could of been worded better that's all.. :wink:
cheers mate for your opinion , i would like to know how different tom s car feels out on the road now to mine but his is stronic which makes a difference , i was nt slagging revo off just saying there are alteratives out there and for some people like myself are better than revo at a fraction of the cost , some one commented how revo s sh*t dont stink on the forums that made me smile :happy2:
Tom Vs Ian at next Pod meet? :evilgrin: :jumping:
I can honestly say Tom's car is quick. after the last RR day at Halifax we had a spirited drive back over the tops and there was nothin in acceleration wize, despite a 40bhp difference on the RR :happy2:
No your car is definately faster Gaz it was just the S-Tronic! We all know your getting on a bit now and your co-ordination with the clutch and gear stick ain't quite what it used to be :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
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I can vouch for that.. My two mates had a thorough side by side comparison (at Brunters) and there was only about a car length in it at 130... :surprised: (changed a bit after that).. Stage 1 Revo S3, S-Tronic, SB vs Stage 2+ 3dr S3 manual...
The Stage 2+ was noticably quicker in gear, but all the momentum gained in gear, was lost on the gear change.. :sad1:
Can't wait to see what Stage 2+ is like with DSG/S Tronic. As my mate Stage 2+ S3 is bloody quick when on the loud pedal.. :scared:
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I can vouch for that.. My two mates had a thorough side by side comparison (at Brunters) and there was only about a car length in it at 130... :surprised: (changed a bit after that).. Stage 1 Revo S3, S-Tronic, SB vs Stage 2+ 3dr S3 manual...
The Stage 2+ was noticably quicker in gear, but all the momentum gained in gear, was lost on the gear change.. :sad1:
Can't wait to see what Stage 2+ is like with DSG/S Tronic. As my mate Stage 2+ S3 is bloody quick when on the loud pedal.. :scared:
Just imagine big turbo, 4wd and S-tronic.. :wink:
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I can vouch for that.. My two mates had a thorough side by side comparison (at Brunters) and there was only about a car length in it at 130... :surprised: (changed a bit after that).. Stage 1 Revo S3, S-Tronic, SB vs Stage 2+ 3dr S3 manual...
The Stage 2+ was noticably quicker in gear, but all the momentum gained in gear, was lost on the gear change.. :sad1:
Can't wait to see what Stage 2+ is like with DSG/S Tronic. As my mate Stage 2+ S3 is bloody quick when on the loud pedal.. :scared:
Hopefully I will be able to get some mula to get mine to Stage 2+ this year some time, it always feels mentally quick everytime I drive it (just ask that green Focus RS driver from this morning :grin: :grin:) so Stage 2+ should be epic! :laugh: :laugh:
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I can vouch for that.. My two mates had a thorough side by side comparison (at Brunters) and there was only about a car length in it at 130... :surprised: (changed a bit after that).. Stage 1 Revo S3, S-Tronic, SB vs Stage 2+ 3dr S3 manual...
The Stage 2+ was noticably quicker in gear, but all the momentum gained in gear, was lost on the gear change.. :sad1:
Can't wait to see what Stage 2+ is like with DSG/S Tronic. As my mate Stage 2+ S3 is bloody quick when on the loud pedal.. :scared:
Just imagine big turbo, 4wd and S-tronic.. :wink:
Hopefully you will be able to show us what it's like sometime Mr. Cocker :wink:
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Hopefully you will be able to show us what it's like sometime Mr. Cocker :wink:
Uhhhuh.. :wink:
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My bottom lip is bleeding i've bitten it that hard..
come join the party mate , have your say :laugh: :laugh:
I think this debate is burning beutifully without needing to add my fuel to the fire... But at the end of the day, if you're a happy customer (much like myself) that is all that counts.. :happy2:
Just think it could of been worded better that's all.. :wink:
cheers mate for your opinion , i would like to know how different tom s car feels out on the road now to mine but his is stronic which makes a difference , i was nt slagging revo off just saying there are alteratives out there and for some people like myself are better than revo at a fraction of the cost , some one commented how revo s sh*t dont stink on the forums that made me smile :happy2:
Tom Vs Ian at next Pod meet? :evilgrin: :jumping:
I can honestly say Tom's car is quick. after the last RR day at Halifax we had a spirited drive back over the tops and there was nothin in acceleration wize, despite a 40bhp difference on the RR :happy2:
No your car is definately faster Gaz it was just the S-Tronic! We all know your getting on a bit now and your co-ordination with the clutch and gear stick ain't quite what it used to be :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
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i ve been in your old car with dan and it is good , my mate has an rs focus and i think my car as it is, is around the same performance but mine feels smoother which is what us oldies like , mine drive s 100% better , the focus reminds me of my connect van !!(same stearing wheel )
i know toms car is quick i was there at gti inters watching his 0 - 60 times , made my day :happy2:
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Stage 1 S3 is defo quicker on acceleration than the new RS. I have had first hand experience of that (like Tom). Well a Revo Stage 1 one is anyway.. :booty: :grin:
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Stage 1 S3 is defo quicker on acceleration than the new RS. I have had first hand experience of that (like Tom). Well a Revo Stage 1 one is anyway.. :booty: :grin:
My mates std mazda mps speed 3 is quicker than a new RS never mined a mapped k04 :grin:
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Stage 1 S3 is defo quicker on acceleration than the new RS. I have had first hand experience of that (like Tom). Well a Revo Stage 1 one is anyway.. :booty: :grin:
it may be cause the custom codes power delivery is silky smooth it dont feel as raw as the focus ........... :signLOL: :signLOL:
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Stage 1 S3 is defo quicker on acceleration than the new RS. I have had first hand experience of that (like Tom). Well a Revo Stage 1 one is anyway.. :booty: :grin:
My mates std mazda mps speed 3 is quicker than a new RS never mined a mapped k04 :grin:
must admit i really liked the engine on the MPS. didnt think it would be quicker than an RS though as mine is quicker than his MPS but similar in performance to an RS ive had fun with (might have been better if i had an LSD)
my mates looking into mapping his car as he hates it that mines quicker, but the maps he has found are really expensive in comparison to the VAG tuners. yor talking 800+ for stage 1
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Stage 1 S3 is defo quicker on acceleration than the new RS. I have had first hand experience of that (like Tom). Well a Revo Stage 1 one is anyway.. :booty: :grin:
My mates std mazda mps speed 3 is quicker than a new RS never mined a mapped k04 :grin:
must admit i really liked the engine on the MPS. didnt think it would be quicker than an RS though as mine is quicker than his MPS but similar in performance to an RS ive had fun with (might have been better if i had an LSD)
my mates looking into mapping his car as he hates it that mines quicker, but the maps he has found are really expensive in comparison to the VAG tuners. yor talking 800+ for stage 1
Not much in the way of maps for the mps, but two of the lads who come down for strip action always love running against the RS. Even the 280hp VXR's are quicker than the RS. RS owner isnt happy as he owns the car that all the other hot hatch drivers want to beat. In the damp though if we are running off the corners, the RS has a clear advantage putting the power down.
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the guy i was messing with in the RS was pretty annoyed aspecially when i said my car was only about 275hp wasnt to chuffed, and before tha point wasnt interested in mapping it. hes now changed his mind, saying he would have been devastated if i beat him in a skoda, he said it was bad enough i kept up. wish i had the ko4 on mine.
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the guy i was messing with in the RS was pretty annoyed aspecially when i said my car was only about 275hp wasnt to chuffed, and before tha point wasnt interested in mapping it. hes now changed his mind, saying he would have been devastated if i beat him in a skoda, he said it was bad enough i kept up. wish i had the ko4 on mine.
Haha yeah the RS needs to be mapped. The sound though, and the popping exhaust of the RS makes me jealous!
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Love the new thread title :signLOL:
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Love the new thread title :signLOL:
:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
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Love the new thread title :signLOL:
:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
Got my attention :signLOL:
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Im happy with my CC map which was inherited from Tom :smiley:
At the halifx RR day the map showed its numbers... This was with the following upgrades; Full TB milltek, Autotech pump, Carbonio & BMC panel, Custom Code phase 2+ and forge DV
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The RR day also confirmed to me what everybody else knows, an intake is a must for much more power top end.... that said I no longer have the carbonio :laugh:
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Hmm.. my intuition tells me that it's TC who keeps changing this thread's title.
Very appropriately, I might add :grin:
Actually, on checking something I'm now pretty sure I'm wrong and it is the candy man.
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Fixed...for now! :smiley:
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Superships FTW
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If one of those turns up uninvited on your coast I think it's called 'gunship diplomacy'. But it's more like a 'shotgun wedding'.
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You're cheating now Nath :signLOL: :P
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i sailed past(wide berth lol) the USS nimitz on an adventure training package set up by work about 8 years in portsmouth. until you haveseen one in person you cannot contemplate how big they are.
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You're cheating now Nath :signLOL: :P
Nah not cheating, just bored of having to read playground squabbles! :laugh: :wink:
Why should TC have all the fun! :innocent:
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i sailed past(wide berth lol) the USS nimitz on an adventure training package set up by work about 8 years in portsmouth. until you haveseen one in person you cannot contemplate how big they are.
Snap, seen one up close, as we landed on in the Gulf.......................... Huge! Floating cities!
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.. until you have seen one in person you cannot contemplate how big they are.
I once told an old girlfriend that...
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over on audi sport .net theres a thread you guys need to read :happy2:
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A link might help, but I am sure I can guess the content already :indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent: :indifferent:
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ok me too :indifferent: :indifferent: