Post by: david25 on November 23, 2018, 02:46:56 pm
Hi, this is about a MK6, but I guess it fundamentally the same as the MK5.
Car was running very rough, white smoke mixed with black smoke. Had the car recovered to a local dealer and thought it was a blown turbo!
Dealer states locked injectors on cylinder 3 and 4 (fault codes I guess) but it was completely normal on their test drive after a night in the compound.
Anyone else had this and should I be worried about two injectors going shortly? Or could it be
- Bad fuel
- Spark plugs
- Coil packs
Thank you!
Post by: amanda on November 23, 2018, 03:52:46 pm
Post by: pudding on November 23, 2018, 04:24:32 pm
If an injector was locked open, the cylinder would have a lot of fuel in it a couple of hours after shutdown. The rail pressure would also fall to zero pretty quickly. You would also see the short term trims going mad in VCDS.....max'd at full lean.
Post by: david25 on November 23, 2018, 05:26:00 pm
Post by: pudding on November 23, 2018, 05:36:16 pm
Dealer price will be over £100.
Post by: david25 on November 23, 2018, 06:38:42 pm
Plenty of <£100 options online. P/N - 06H906036G
Dealer price will be over £100.
Thanks, I've done some web research and although the part is cheap, people are paying £600 for a single replacement, lots of mechanic hours, seals etc
What is a typical cost in your experience, indie or dealer?
Post by: pudding on November 23, 2018, 07:31:17 pm
Say £300 for injectors + 2-3 hours labour, should bring you out at the £500 mark.....but all 4 will be done. May as well chuck in another 100 whilst you're there for a walnut blast. That's indie pricing. Stealership will be a grand I reckon.
Edit: the dealer price is steep because the injectors are £100+VAT each, + 4 x fitting kits at £25+VAT each, plus the labour at £100+VAT p/h. The online injectors come with the teflon seals prefitted, which is a massive cost and time saver.
Post by: david25 on November 24, 2018, 09:37:28 am
But more importantly mentions that 06H 906 036G was replaced in 2014 by 06H 906 036P any evidence the newer ones are more reliable?
Will any independent automatically add a manifold gasket to the job or will I need to tell him?
Post by: muff1991 on November 24, 2018, 11:06:11 am
Thanks, this post mentions a £1000 cost for two http://www.sciroccocentral.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21124
But more importantly mentions that 06H 906 036G was replaced in 2014 by 06H 906 036P any evidence the newer ones are more reliable?
Will any independent automatically add a manifold gasket to the job or will I need to tell him?
I would of thought they’d quote and supply one. But me being me I’d check with them to make sure they do put a new one in.
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Post by: amanda on November 24, 2018, 01:06:23 pm
£600 to replace 1 injector is very steep. All 4 should be replaced because, as you say, it's a beefy job labour wise. You don't want to have to repeat the work when injectors 1 & 2 fail.
Say £300 for injectors + 2-3 hours labour, should bring you out at the £500 mark.....but all 4 will be done. May as well chuck in another 100 whilst you're there for a walnut blast. That's indie pricing. Stealership will be a grand I reckon.
Edit: the dealer price is steep because the injectors are £100+VAT each, + 4 x fitting kits at £25+VAT each, plus the labour at £100+VAT p/h. The online injectors come with the teflon seals prefitted, which is a massive cost and time saver.
I am almost certain I paid £600 plus vat for all mine changed at my dealers (don’t know if any of you boys know that some parts come under heritage so a cheaper price is applied 😄)
Cannot lay my hands on invoice at mo to confirm 😫
Post by: david25 on November 24, 2018, 01:54:30 pm
£600 to replace 1 injector is very steep. All 4 should be replaced because, as you say, it's a beefy job labour wise. You don't want to have to repeat the work when injectors 1 & 2 fail.
Say £300 for injectors + 2-3 hours labour, should bring you out at the £500 mark.....but all 4 will be done. May as well chuck in another 100 whilst you're there for a walnut blast. That's indie pricing. Stealership will be a grand I reckon.
Edit: the dealer price is steep because the injectors are £100+VAT each, + 4 x fitting kits at £25+VAT each, plus the labour at £100+VAT p/h. The online injectors come with the teflon seals prefitted, which is a massive cost and time saver.
I am almost certain I paid £600 plus vat for all mine changed at my dealers (don’t know if any of you boys know that some parts come under heritage so a cheaper price is applied 😄)
Cannot lay my hands on invoice at mo to confirm 😫
Interesting, what is this heritage scheme, something for cars over 10 years old?
Post by: amanda on November 24, 2018, 02:31:49 pm
But you need to make them aware you know about it otherwise they will fob you off .......oh labour is also cheaper as well :pomppomp:
But again you need to ask and tell them you belong to a classic car club
Post by: muff1991 on November 24, 2018, 03:28:49 pm
In a word yes :booty:Is this heritage thing only at VW dealers or will TPS be part of this too?
But you need to make them aware you know about it otherwise they will fob you off .......oh labour is also cheaper as well :pomppomp:
But again you need to ask and tell them you belong to a classic car club
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Post by: amanda on November 24, 2018, 03:31:55 pm
Post by: david25 on November 24, 2018, 03:49:21 pm
http://www.vwgenuineparts.co.uk/vw_economy_parts.shtml
Post by: amanda on November 24, 2018, 03:56:25 pm
On that subject don't for forgot aboutThat’s them as well ......bmw are doing the same
http://www.vwgenuineparts.co.uk/vw_economy_parts.shtml
Post by: muff1991 on November 25, 2018, 07:43:36 am
Tps are aware too but again you need to askThanks Amanda, this is something I will mention when I next go in
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Post by: pudding on November 30, 2018, 04:11:14 pm
Post by: david25 on December 16, 2018, 08:53:59 am
- Local indy is quoting £1000 for four injectors
- Got myself a Torque Pro Elm 327 bluetooth reader and right now the car is show no logged faults