Post by: csrigo on December 06, 2018, 02:54:20 pm
I know its down to everyone and their dog buying a 5 door but honestly thats crap if they go down that route 3 door golfs have always looked better no question.....and I know some folk on here will get upset by that and I apologise but cmon be real if you actaully think the 5 door small hatchback looks as good as a 3 door your deluding yourself. And yes 5 doors are more practical....but thats it.
The mk7.5 is a close contender for not looking as bad in a 5 door granted but sit one next to a matching 3 door and there is no question what looks better.
I would only ever have a 5 door if it was a saloon or estate as thats what they are made for ie RS3 saloon or RS4 etc...or RS6 estate etc but thats a different type of car. The RS3 hatchback is a casing point...looks sh*t just goes fast. However the saloon does look good.
Bit of a rant I know lol and I do apologise to everyone with a 5 door golf but lets be honest here. Fair one VW doing away with manual if they want thats just technology advancing but to not even have a 3 door option is crap....I bet they will still do the GTI in 3 door.
Sorry for the daft rant troops just a bit gutted lol.
Post by: absolute on December 06, 2018, 03:28:11 pm
5 doors is too many doors. 3 doors 4 life y'all
Post by: csrigo on December 06, 2018, 04:55:35 pm
Surely not.
5 doors is too many doors. 3 doors 4 life y'all
Apparently so brother :signLOL: crap eh...hopefully not though. Nice car mate
Post by: pudding on December 07, 2018, 06:20:35 pm
Consumers being denied headphone jacks in their phones and a choice of door count is just the start of it mate. In 10 years, there won't be cars anymore. The only choice will be an electric SUV.
If it comes to that, trust me, I will get the biggest f'ck off great SUV money can buy, and put a suspension lift kit on it so that all the twats who buy them now, because they want to sit up high and follow trends like lemmings, can't see past me :grin: If you can't beat them, join them, but at the same time get one over on the morons :happy2:
Post by: Shoduchi on December 08, 2018, 10:18:16 am
Post by: pudding on December 08, 2018, 12:40:32 pm
VW are actually one of the last car makers to ditch 3 doors in all fairness. It's all about profit now and they will only make what sells. It's why GM, Ford and other car makers have removed a number of cars from their catalogue. The market is shifting to SUVs and those stupid crossover things like the Gashqai, Puke and Mini Countryman, ffs :doh:
Screw the minority and choice. The unimaginative sheep always win.
Even bloody Rolls Royce and Lamborghini are making stupid SUVs now. Jesus wept, we're all doomed.
Post by: Golf5 GT on December 08, 2018, 12:48:29 pm
Would you 3dr fans settle for that? Lol
Post by: pudding on December 08, 2018, 12:58:38 pm
The MK7 has the same side profile / glass lines in both 3 and 5 door versions, so 5 door barely looks any different. But with the MK5 though, the side profile is completely different between 3 and 5 door, hence why I've never liked 5 door MK5s!
Get more bass from 3 doors.....bigger speaker cabinet :happy2:
Post by: colesey on December 08, 2018, 01:03:03 pm
www.dw.com/en/big-carmakers-big-profits/a-19480709
Post by: pudding on December 08, 2018, 02:16:28 pm
Can't knock it as a business model, but it certainly takes the joy out of shopping. Golf, Yeti, Tiguan, A3, etc.....all the same bloody thing. Gone are the days when VW took pride in their creations like the Corrado, G60, Golf Limited, Rallye, Scirocco Pikes peak etc etc. It's all generic, bland, dime a dozen bollocks now.
Post by: Juliand on December 08, 2018, 06:10:17 pm
Gone are the days when VW took pride in their creations like the Corrado, G60, Golf Limited, Rallye, Scirocco Pikes peak etc etc. It's all generic, bland, dime a dozen bollocks now.
I agree......., the Corrado still looks a fantastic car, way ahead of its time. Mk 1 Scirrocco was really nice little car too......interestingly both were 3 door only, if I remember correctly..... 3 door definitely looks better, but today's peeps seem to want more practicality....two doors less too, for those annoying passengers who insist on slamming the flipping doors - why do people do that? I just don't get it......... grrrr!
Post by: Shoduchi on December 08, 2018, 07:20:57 pm
I don't think the Leon has ever had 3 doors! My mate had a Cupra R way back in 2001ish and there wasn't a 3 door option even back then.
VW are actually one of the last car makers to ditch 3 doors in all fairness. It's all about profit now and they will only make what sells. It's why GM, Ford and other car makers have removed a number of cars from their catalogue. The market is shifting to SUVs and those stupid crossover things like the Gashqai, Puke and Mini Countryman, ffs :doh:
Screw the minority and choice. The unimaginative sheep always win.
Even bloody Rolls Royce and Lamborghini are making stupid SUVs now. Jesus wept, we're all doomed.
You could get until recently a 3 doors Leon, it was called SC (Sport Coupe). It ended production with the Cupra 290. I have a friend which owns one with the Performance pack. The Cupra 300 only has a 5 door version and due to emissions limitations it will be downgraded to 290 next year.
Post by: pudding on December 08, 2018, 07:59:37 pm
Gone are the days when VW took pride in their creations like the Corrado, G60, Golf Limited, Rallye, Scirocco Pikes peak etc etc. It's all generic, bland, dime a dozen bollocks now.
I agree......., the Corrado still looks a fantastic car, way ahead of its time. Mk 1 Scirrocco was really nice little car too......interestingly both were 3 door only, if I remember correctly..... 3 door definitely looks better, but today's peeps seem to want more practicality....two doors less too, for those annoying passengers who insist on slamming the flipping doors - why do people do that? I just don't get it......... grrrr!
Absolutely the Corrado and Scirocco were 3 door only! Even VW knew they would look rubbish in 5 door!
I really miss my old VWs. The Corrado especially. A few pics of that below, and other 3 door retro delights I've owned :smiley: None of them would look any good in 5 door!
The MK5 is the newest VW I will ever own. It's still retro handsome and basic enough for DIY maintenance. I have zero interest in the current stuff, meh!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4888/44416552960_fe664ffd4a_b.jpg)
Self built and mapped 500hp VR6 Turbo goodness...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4810/45320880605_a375b0790d_b.jpg)
God bored of that and installed and mapped a MK5 R32 engine with a standalone ECU...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4869/44416553070_3b2889abe1_b.jpg)
Lovely, lovely car to drive, but underpowered. Again, this is a car VW made an effort with, never to be seen again :ashamed:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4892/45320880645_b9a23d101b_b.jpg)
My old little pocket rocket MK2 16V Turbo, such an epic machine :smiley:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4889/44416553220_1663366753.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4821/46182981212_d9c341a24f_z.jpg)
Post by: chigmuss on December 09, 2018, 01:01:02 pm
Oh, and on topic....yeah, sad to see the demise of 3 doors, maybe a suicide rear-door on a 5 door could bring back a cool factor (think the Mazda RX7 had them?)
Post by: csrigo on December 09, 2018, 03:03:59 pm
Your wee Mk2 also looked epic mate very very nice....as ive said i wld still have one today for a summer car.
I need to find one of my old laptops for some pics....and an old sony erikson phone I had from my early 20s lol I know i have some grainy pics on that :signLOL:
Yeah just a bit of a rant from me much of the same opinion as pudding certain cars should only ever be 3 door and yeah the mk7 is a close contender for looking so so in a 5 door. Mk5s in 5 door look terrible imho as you pointed out the lines of the car dont suit it.
After a bit more research they may do the clubsport in a 3door which wld make sense and may tie in with @Golf5 GT (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=30467) s idea....if they did that they wld sell out rapid and be crazy money. But i would happily spend the extra dollar on a 3 door especially if its becoming a limited edition.
Yeah I blame the torrent of 5 door golf R owners and the god damn Leasing schemes now every fud that can get credit owns owns one...so common. Im thinking about getting an edition40 now in a DSG tbh especially if VW are going down this route. They may do the GTI in a 3 door according to some sites...and I do like the fact our eddies at stage2+ blow most mapped golf Rs out the water when on the move so cld be the same scenario :popcornsoda:
Post by: pudding on December 14, 2018, 10:04:20 am
Handling with the R32 engine was OK actually. It's not much heavier than the 12V engine thanks to a lot of plastic parts :grin: The handling of the Corrado, MK2, MK4 R32 doesn't even come close to the MK5 though :smiley: The problem with those cars was floppy body shells, so no amount of 4 figure coilover kits could ever sort that! The biggest clue to a floppy shell is when you jack up one corner of the car and you can't open the door, or is very stiff/clunky on the latch. Jack up a corner of the MK5 and the door opens like it's on the ground. Super stiff :happy2:
Yeah I was on the VR6OC, VWVortex and Corrado forum for years. The Corrado scene was a bit nerdy like the Porsche club, and I don't think many people appreciated the sacrilege of fitting R32 engines, or turboing the VR6 engine :grin: You're right though, the good old days are long gone. I guess people move on, or get married and have kids.
I'm actually looking forward to electric power becoming affordable. I also think there will be a huge market in converting old cars to electric. It's already popular in the states with people fitting Tesla motors to old Audis and Bimmers :grin: In it's most basic form, you could simply bolt a motor to the gearbox and replace the petrol tank with a f'ck ton of Duracell batteries :grin: I'm pretty confident there will companies cropping up in the next 10 years that specialise in doing that. Otherwise what will happen to the millions of fossil fueled cars? The amount of energy required to recycle that many cars would have the Eco warriors storming congress/parliament!
Yeah the Clubsport would be a good move. An easy 500 brake with a TurboTechnics V5 turbo and remap :happy2: I may end up doing the same as you. My ED30 is going to fall victim to rust soon, and I really can't be doing with that. I've seen a bubble here and there recently, which will only get worse. I'm no bodywork specialist, and respraying an 11 year old car doesn't make financial sense, especially as it won't make it handle better, or drive faster :grin:
7R is ruled out for me. Feels too heavy through the corners and I don't like the interior choices, or the silly quad tailpipes, not to mention them being theft targets.
And back on topic.....every 5 door car I've owned ended up with slow or seized rear windows, and central locking solenoids that stop working because they rarely get used. 3 door is just better for reliability and better for styling :happy2:
Post by: muff1991 on December 14, 2018, 08:06:24 pm
I hope they get serious complaints and decide to bring out the next model with 3 doors.
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Post by: Dogma on December 15, 2018, 10:29:53 am
Post by: csrigo on December 15, 2018, 11:55:43 am
Cheers guys :smiley: The wheels on the Corrado are 8x17 Compomotive MO, but I went through several sets of different wheels....and coilover kits, as you do! They suited the car but were HEAVY! I do remember Azev As though, classic wheel :happy2:
Handling with the R32 engine was OK actually. It's not much heavier than the 12V engine thanks to a lot of plastic parts :grin: The handling of the Corrado, MK2, MK4 R32 doesn't even come close to the MK5 though :smiley: The problem with those cars was floppy body shells, so no amount of 4 figure coilover kits could ever sort that! The biggest clue to a floppy shell is when you jack up one corner of the car and you can't open the door, or is very stiff/clunky on the latch. Jack up a corner of the MK5 and the door opens like it's on the ground. Super stiff :happy2:
Yeah I was on the VR6OC, VWVortex and Corrado forum for years. The Corrado scene was a bit nerdy like the Porsche club, and I don't think many people appreciated the sacrilege of fitting R32 engines, or turboing the VR6 engine :grin: You're right though, the good old days are long gone. I guess people move on, or get married and have kids.
I'm actually looking forward to electric power becoming affordable. I also think there will be a huge market in converting old cars to electric. It's already popular in the states with people fitting Tesla motors to old Audis and Bimmers :grin: In it's most basic form, you could simply bolt a motor to the gearbox and replace the petrol tank with a f'ck ton of Duracell batteries :grin: I'm pretty confident there will companies cropping up in the next 10 years that specialise in doing that. Otherwise what will happen to the millions of fossil fueled cars? The amount of energy required to recycle that many cars would have the Eco warriors storming congress/parliament!
Yeah the Clubsport would be a good move. An easy 500 brake with a TurboTechnics V5 turbo and remap :happy2: I may end up doing the same as you. My ED30 is going to fall victim to rust soon, and I really can't be doing with that. I've seen a bubble here and there recently, which will only get worse. I'm no bodywork specialist, and respraying an 11 year old car doesn't make financial sense, especially as it won't make it handle better, or drive faster :grin:
7R is ruled out for me. Feels too heavy through the corners and I don't like the interior choices, or the silly quad tailpipes, not to mention them being theft targets.
And back on topic.....every 5 door car I've owned ended up with slow or seized rear windows, and central locking solenoids that stop working because they rarely get used. 3 door is just better for reliability and better for styling :happy2:
Great looking corrado mate i actually managed to find my old panasonic laptop thats got some pics saved on it im pretty sure which i know has my Mk2s and at least one of my rados on it...no charger for it but im gonna try ebay for one for the hell of it...failing that il just make one up...really want a pic of my blue Mk2 3 door big bumper 90 model i had(elec windows and power steering!)...dropped an AGU 20vt in it from an old TT and it was quick for back in the day.....looked minted the paint was epic....not helios blue i dnt think cld never find the exact paint name?....a wee quiz for anyone into mk2s find me the blue colour names lol?
Bought it for £800 off one of the lads cos the brakes were non existant and i took it with no wheels ha..his where crappy rimstyle jobbies or something. I put a set of Borbets Cs on that i stole off another mate for £50 at the time, reconned them for £120, cheapish coilovers (FKs i think at the time..not the best) for about £250...got the engine from a scrappy mate for £300 cos he thght it was pumped...wasnt just needed a set of rods which i robbed from my mates fckd ibiza cupra for £30...new brake lines and servo..about £50. In the end i had it 2-3 years and sold it to a boy in the gym for £6k :innocent:...it made its way to england cos he was in the army then i heard couple years back its still on the go back in a place called ayrshire where im originally from...unreal eh.
If the paints still mint who knows what its worth now right enough lol... it was clean as fck hopefully someone kept it that way.
Anyway random story from me....and im going to look at MK2s online right now outta curiosity.....it started life as an 8V which i prefered over the 16V for just driving about...nice little grunt from the digifant beast lol.
Post by: colesey on December 17, 2018, 08:20:30 am
You can always buy a two door two seater.
Like this - www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/price-match-promise-volkswagen-golf-r-vs-first-gen-audi-r8
Post by: Dogma on December 17, 2018, 09:12:12 am
You can always buy a two door two seater.
Like this - www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/price-match-promise-volkswagen-golf-r-vs-first-gen-audi-r8
Indeed and what a lovely sounding engine the r8 has.
Not that I could afford one.
Post by: absolute on December 17, 2018, 09:14:16 am
Post by: Dogma on December 17, 2018, 09:15:01 am
I have one tucked away for the winter.
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Post by: pudding on December 19, 2018, 01:36:21 pm
You can always buy a two door two seater.
Like this - www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/price-match-promise-volkswagen-golf-r-vs-first-gen-audi-r8
Oh god no. Worst Audi ever made for reliability and build quality.
Whilst Audi injected a much needed improvement to Lamborghini's poor workmanship, some of their crapness unfortunately made it's way back into Audi. I mean, a car costing £100K shouldn't snap it's frame, right?
This is just complete structural failure under normal use. Right on the strut support, exactly where you don't want a failure like this. Shoddy crap.
(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/lVmqJ/s1/r8-fram-2.jpg)
(https://www.quattrodaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/audi-r8-v8-salvage-1.jpg)
Post by: Shoduchi on December 19, 2018, 02:11:48 pm
Post by: pudding on December 20, 2018, 05:02:08 pm
My friend had an early manual V8 and it cost him a fortune in maintenance and problems. He didn't keep it long :grin:
I'd get a 911 personally. Much better made and more reliable, particularly if you get a 997 which doesn't have the IMS issue.
Post by: csrigo on December 24, 2018, 11:45:43 am
Audis solution was to weld in supporting brackets....yuck
Post by: oak_grun on January 19, 2019, 11:50:13 am
Post by: Dogma on January 19, 2019, 02:02:51 pm
Shame! All Golf GTi's / R's should be 3 door imho!!
No they shouldn’t........ get a proper two seater with two doors.
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