MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: gstyle17009 on January 29, 2019, 09:35:26 am
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Hi guys,
I am looking to buy a manual or dsg mk5 gti (Did want a mk6 but budget doesn't allow)
I have heard the DSG AKA DQ250 are pretty good in the mk5's.
Do all of the mk5's dsgs have this model in them?
As for the manual I am wanting to map it (Revo poss) so will upgrade the clutch.
I will take my mechanic to check the car/s.
I am using the list on here as a checklist
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=111927.0
The mechanic has a machine to check fault codes if that helps?
Is there anything else I need to be aware of when looking for them.
Most have cloth seats but a few have leather which doesn't look too bad.
Thank you!
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mainly rust on the wings and sills and some times on the tail gate near the boot handle..Engine wise the usuaul ie service and cambelt and timing chain
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mainly rust on the wings and sills and some times on the tail gate near the boot handle..Engine wise the usuaul ie service and cambelt and timing chain
Hi dude have just been reading your build thread - is pretty impressive.
How did you get on with the short shifter? And for the sparkles in the paint how did you do that?
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mainly rust on the wings and sills and some times on the tail gate near the boot handle..Engine wise the usuaul ie service and cambelt and timing chain
Hi dude have just been reading your build thread - is pretty impressive.
How did you get on with the short shifter? And for the sparkles in the paint how did you do that?
Cheers mate
the shifter was a excellent upgrade and reduced the throw between cheers..The flakes in the paint are standard on metallic black lc9z but getting the right flecks in the paint is a nightmare as there is 16 different varations
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Good luck getting the seller to allow you to read it's codes. I know I wouldn't let some nobody off the street plug vag-com into mine.
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Good luck getting the seller to allow you to read it's codes. I know I wouldn't let some nobody off the street plug vag-com into mine.
I suppose its prob taking it a bit too far. Will cut that step out.
I have seen loads around leeds being raced and am trying to minimize buying a complete wreck.
I haven't bought a fast car before previous one was a Peugeot and it was almost new anyways (6 months old) so didn't have to check much on it.
I have tried a mk6 dsg and loved it. Have also driven a mk7 gti in manual and although looks good I found that I missed the DSG box on it.
So for this mk5 would prefer DSG if they are reliable boxes (which it seems like they are) but otherwise will go down the manual route.
The only thing about the DSG's I can't really get my head around is why do so many owners not get the oil changed on the dsg on time?
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Check it gets up to temp (90C) and stays there when you go on a run, if it drops down then you'll need a new thermostat.
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Main thing would be to look through the paperwork and make sure the main maintenance jobs have been. Cambelt + Waterpump, Timing Chain, latest revision PCV, & Diverter valve, Thermostat, Cam Follower changed on services, if going DSG make sure it's been serviced regularly, and then obviously check the obvious things upon viewing like rust etc.
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Thanks guys I will check them both aswell. One of the ones I am interested in the seller is claiming that VW have replaced the engine on it would that be considered a good thing or bad depending on why the engine broke?
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Good luck getting the seller to allow you to read it's codes. I know I wouldn't let some nobody off the street plug vag-com into mine.
I suppose its prob taking it a bit too far. Will cut that step out.
No it isn't. If the seller won't let you scan it for codes, walk away. I've never had anyone object to it before, and neither would I object if selling my ED30.
If the seller wants a sale and has nothing to hide, he/she will be fine with you scanning it. It's no more invasive than a HPI check.
It's very useful for cutting through the 'Never been mapped' bullsh1t. Check the ECU flashcount. If it's not zero, it's been mapped.
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Good luck getting the seller to allow you to read it's codes. I know I wouldn't let some nobody off the street plug vag-com into mine.
I suppose its prob taking it a bit too far. Will cut that step out.
No it isn't. If the seller won't let you scan it for codes, walk away. I've never had anyone object to it before, and neither would I object if selling my ED30.
If the seller wants a sale and has nothing to hide, he/she will be fine with you scanning it. It's no more invasive than a HPI check.
It's very useful for cutting through the 'Never been mapped' bullsh1t. Check the ECU flashcount. If it's not zero, it's been mapped.
Hi Mate so it keeps that is a common problem with these that sellers claim the cars have never been mapped?
Some of the cars I am looking at already have been mapped is that much of an issue?
Have also seen some of the ED30's that I am interested in.
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I'd be most concerned with evidence of regular maintenance, mapped or otherwise.
Even if the owner has done a lot of the maintenance themselves they should still be able to show you the receipts for the parts. I bet I'm not alone in keeping receipts for oil and oil filters bought when I do an oil change myself.
There are loads of rough examples out there, take the time to find the nice ones even if that means travelling far to view.
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Good luck getting the seller to allow you to read it's codes. I know I wouldn't let some nobody off the street plug vag-com into mine.
I suppose its prob taking it a bit too far. Will cut that step out.
No it isn't. If the seller won't let you scan it for codes, walk away. I've never had anyone object to it before, and neither would I object if selling my ED30.
If the seller wants a sale and has nothing to hide, he/she will be fine with you scanning it. It's no more invasive than a HPI check.
It's very useful for cutting through the 'Never been mapped' bullsh1t. Check the ECU flashcount. If it's not zero, it's been mapped.
Hi Mate so it keeps that is a common problem with these that sellers claim the cars have never been mapped?
Some of the cars I am looking at already have been mapped is that much of an issue?
Have also seen some of the ED30's that I am interested in.
Oh there are definitely legitimate cars out there mate, sold by honest people, but there are also people who try to pass off a put-back-to-stock car as, 'never been modified'. By checking the ECU's flash count with VCDS, you can at least determine if the engine has been mapped or not.
Long story short - I bought my Edition 30 thinking it was standard and 'never been modified' but it had been :grin: It's not always a bad thing though, providing the work was done properly. If you definitely want a 100% standard car, you need to be vigilant and do your homework.
Yep, all MK5 DSGs use the 02E DQ250, and manuals use the 02Q MQ350. Both rated at 260lbft torque handling.
Imo, the DQ250 is the best DSG box to date. The MQ500 in the MK7 is horrible.
As for maps, can't go wrong with Revo for an off the shelf option, or you can get a custom map from somewhere like R-Tech. Plenty of mapping options out there.
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Issue is at the moment there are barely any decent DSG ones available and so I think I might have to settle for a Manual.
Would there be much difference between the driving feel of a mk5 and mk6 gti?
One thing that really stuck out for me was that the visibility of the mk6 was far better than the mk7 which was surprising.
Also the mk6 leather seats kill the mk7 ones.
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Also the mk6 leather seats kill the mk7 ones.
leather seats are cold in winter and hot in summer and are slippy when you're pressing on. I purposely chose my GTI with cloth.
I love the dsg in my mk5 as I do a lot of motorway commuting in heavy traffic but when I get on some nice clear road you can stick it in sport and let it change itself higher up the rev range than in normal D mode or use the steering wheel paddles or the gearstick to change.
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Agreed, I hate leather seats.
MK6 is more refined and smoother, otherwise they drive just like the MK5. Avoid early MK6s unless you want potential timing chain bills.
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how much of a big issue is this rust?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAyNFg3Njg=/z/oCYAAOSwH4dcO4Mp/$_86.JPG)
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how much of a big issue is this rust?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAyNFg3Njg=/z/oCYAAOSwH4dcO4Mp/$_86.JPG)
On the rear arch mate. Personally I’d walk away. Not like you can just slap on a new rear wing.
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Thanks man I really appreciate all the help you guys are giving!
Out of one of the other possible choices I have asked about the timing belt and they have told me it is now due aswell as the water pump - that they would be willing to knock some money off for it.
Finding this as quite a common occurrence sellers just remembering work needs doing and then offering to knock money off.
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Plenty of people make the next service the next owners problem!
Water pump & cambelt change currently costs £549 at VW, so you should be looking for a discount around that when bartering.
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Plenty of people make the next service the next owners problem!
Water pump & cambelt change currently costs £549 at VW, so you should be looking for a discount around that when bartering.
I have a mate who runs a vw approved garage who would be able to do it for mates rates, however I am seriously considering the ed30's at the moment as they can be running at stage 1 at 300-310 bhp.
Just looking into if the brakes etc really need upgrading at that stage.
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Good luck getting the seller to allow you to read it's codes. I know I wouldn't let some nobody off the street plug vag-com into mine.
I suppose its prob taking it a bit too far. Will cut that step out.
No it isn't. If the seller won't let you scan it for codes, walk away. I've never had anyone object to it before, and neither would I object if selling my ED30.
If the seller wants a sale and has nothing to hide, he/she will be fine with you scanning it. It's no more invasive than a HPI check.
It's very useful for cutting through the 'Never been mapped' bullsh1t. Check the ECU flashcount. If it's not zero, it's been mapped.
Hi Mate so it keeps that is a common problem with these that sellers claim the cars have never been mapped?
Some of the cars I am looking at already have been mapped is that much of an issue?
Have also seen some of the ED30's that I am interested in.
Totally is! I would never let some kid I've never met plug his laptop into my car. Would a used car dealer let you do it? I'm willing to say no. Just because you say no, doesn't mean your hiding something.
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Totally is! I would never let some kid I've never met plug his laptop into my car. Would a used car dealer let you do it? I'm willing to say no. Just because you say no, doesn't mean your hiding something.
It depends really, I had a friend who wanted to buy a used MK7 GTD and asked me if I could tag along with my VAGCOM and laptop to inspect it. Went to this independent car supermarket which was 123 miles (2.5 hours one way drive) away from us and the sales guy was more than happy to let me do a diagnostic scan on my laptop using VCDS which reported no major faults as well as giving us a test drive alone round the B-Roads. Its the little things that instil confidence and needless to say my friend didn't hesitate buying the car straight after the test drive.
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Totally is! I would never let some kid I've never met plug his laptop into my car. Would a used car dealer let you do it? I'm willing to say no. Just because you say no, doesn't mean your hiding something.
It depends really, I had a friend who wanted to buy a used MK7 GTD and asked me if I could tag along with my VAGCOM and laptop to inspect it. Went to this independent car supermarket which was 123 miles (2.5 hours one way drive) away from us and the sales guy was more than happy to let me do a diagnostic scan on my laptop using VCDS which reported no major faults as well as giving us a test drive alone round the B-Roads. Its the little things that instil confidence and needless to say my friend didn't hesitate buying the car straight after the test drive.
How long did it take your friend to check it with the laptop?
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How long did it take your friend to check it with the laptop?
I did the diagnostic scan for my friend but it doesn't take more than 5 minutes overall assuming everything is in order. Everything from Engine to Canbus Electronics were checked from the OBD port and his GTD came through with no major faults - clean bill of health essentially!
I kinda wish I had VAGCOM before I bought my GTI as I later found out it was hiding quite a number of faults that didn't appear till later such as my faulty EVAP Valve, bad door lock button (it was intermittant before it gave up completely!) and badly grounded circuits - mostly from the stereo which I presumed had some sort of subwoofer or amp installed at some point in its life. From this experience it pretty much taught me a lesson to try and bring some diagnostic tools with me or have at least a mechanic to do a proper checkover when buying a used car, especially with something like a GTI!
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That is great within 5 mins problems are identified. Did you ask before you arrived if you could use the diagnostics? How difficult is it for you to tell if a golf has been clocked back? I am looking at an 07 plate ED30 currently and it is showing that it has done 75k miles. The cloth seats are difficult to guage the wear (esp on the pictures).
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That is great within 5 mins problems are identified. Did you ask before you arrived if you could use the diagnostics? How difficult is it for you to tell if a golf has been clocked back? I am looking at an 07 plate ED30 currently and it is showing that it has done 75k miles. The cloth seats are difficult to guage the wear (esp on the pictures).
Of course ask for permission first, though the sales guy we had was really cool about it and stood by us while we did the scan. It pretty much set the tone for the purchase of the car as we felt comfortable with it and at the end the sales guy bagged a sale so everyone was happy really!
For clocking I check the MOT History website which is free to use - https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history (https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history). It'll be obvious if the odometer reading is less than what it was a couple of years back! Also check the service book for receipts and invoices for any mechanical work done as they would also record mileage too and compare it to the data available. I wouldn't use interior condition as a guide for clocking, its easy to replace parts and swap out seats from the wreckers. Also take note of any advisories as it could mean repairs to budget out for in the future if not done beforehand.
And it would be wise to do a HPI check if it had been crashed, stolen or on finance including log book loans. If its a dealer ask for a HPI report/certificate and they should be able to give you one otherwise you may need to fork out for a report yourself. Alternatively if you know a family member or friend who works in the motor industry/dealer maybe ask them to get a HPI report for you as a favour (I was lucky enough to have this option for my GTI beforehand).
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That is great within 5 mins problems are identified. Did you ask before you arrived if you could use the diagnostics? How difficult is it for you to tell if a golf has been clocked back? I am looking at an 07 plate ED30 currently and it is showing that it has done 75k miles. The cloth seats are difficult to guage the wear (esp on the pictures).
If you can get Vagcom plugged into the car, it has a built-in application which allows you to read the stored mileage value from the ECU. This varies slightly from the odometer reading but shouldn't be out by a huge margin. Although, I have heard that apparently the ECU mileage can also be clocked, but unfortunately don't know any more about this.
I think the link in your original post is a pretty comprehensive guide and covers the common faults you'd expect to find in a gti.
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Good luck getting the seller to allow you to read it's codes. I know I wouldn't let some nobody off the street plug vag-com into mine.
I suppose its prob taking it a bit too far. Will cut that step out.
No it isn't. If the seller won't let you scan it for codes, walk away. I've never had anyone object to it before, and neither would I object if selling my ED30.
If the seller wants a sale and has nothing to hide, he/she will be fine with you scanning it. It's no more invasive than a HPI check.
It's very useful for cutting through the 'Never been mapped' bullsh1t. Check the ECU flashcount. If it's not zero, it's been mapped.
Hi Mate so it keeps that is a common problem with these that sellers claim the cars have never been mapped?
Some of the cars I am looking at already have been mapped is that much of an issue?
Have also seen some of the ED30's that I am interested in.
Totally is! I would never let some kid I've never met plug his laptop into my car. Would a used car dealer let you do it? I'm willing to say no. Just because you say no, doesn't mean your hiding something.
Depends on your attitude, approach and appearance. Yes, a dealer let me scan my Ed30 before I bought. It's quite simple really: "Would you mind if I scan the ECU for fault codes, it's just that these cars are well known for X, Y & Z and I want to make sure there are no impending bills". That is extremely reasonable. If that puts someone's back up, then fine, there are plenty of other cars out there. I don't see what the issue is. It's like people who get hung up about visitors using their electricity to charge their phone. Jesus, get a real problem.
On the flip side, should the VCDS area subforum be met with: "Yeah I want 50 quid off you for scanning your car" when someone volunteers their services? I don't think so.
And what about those old RAC 100 point vehicle checks? A stranger looking over your car for a potential buyer. Do you have issues with people buying houses looking round it before making an offer?
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I will ask the sellers beforehand about the ecu check.
I am interested in one of the ed30's for sale.
Is it common that the mileage on these is much less than the normal mk5 gti's.
Have seen an 07 one with 75k miles and 3 previous owners.
Also does checking the ecu also identify any mileage clocking?
Thanks.
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Thanks guys I will check them both aswell. One of the ones I am interested in the seller is claiming that VW have replaced the engine on it would that be considered a good thing or bad depending on why the engine broke?
Not necessarily a problem. I recently had mine replaced. At 152k miles my oil pump went then about 2 weeks later the engine locked. We never did fully diagnose the problem but suspect possible oil passing through from the turbo which probably had damage from the oil pump fail. Anyway, just make sure you know at least the source of the new engine. I managed to source a 2009 BWA with 50K on it for £800 for everything including turbo etc. Came from a Golf EOS that had been owned from new by an elderly couple. It's insanely smooth, had clutch etc done while it was out.
Basically just check the history.