MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Sat Nav and Car Audio => Topic started by: Garth on February 17, 2010, 11:41:49 am
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I fitted the VW premium bluetooth yesterday and mortygttdi came round to code it up. Now the unit is coded and VCDS says it's there and there are no faults with it, but I cannot see the bluetooth when I search for it. I have tried this from 3 different phones and none can even see the car kit when I search for bluetooth devices. When I press the mute button on the steering wheel (now coded as voice control) I get a message over the speakers saying no phone connected. This obviously means the system is active, so why can't I find it?
I tried Darren's kit with my phone and it did find and connect to his, so it can't be a problem with my phone, but we spent ages trying to get it working and couldn't.
I think the problem is one of the following:
1) The unit is deffective
2) The bluetooth broadcasting is disabled and needs to be actived somehow
3) The unit is not receiving the ignition signal to tell it to go into pairing mode
4) It is not compatible with my car for some reasson (I have an old CAN gateway if that matters)
Any ideas people? I'll send a treat to whoever comes up with the winning answer :grin:
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What part number is the control unit?
As with the current premuim bluetooth (like I have in my Mk6) you pair it from the car through the highline display.
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No sure on the part number.
Yes you're right, when I paied with Darren's car, we did it through the highline on his. BUT, my car does not have highline, so I don't know where else to try from. I thought I could use this setup through the RCD510, but hen I press the phone button, it just displays 'no user active' and there are no options.
Is there another way of doing the pairing when there is no highline display??
Thanks for the quick response by the way
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Need to know the P/No really mate.
In the 729x models there is an adaptation channel to enable/disable BT but by default it is enabled.
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thanks, I'll pull it out again today and check. The unit is temporarily mounted beind the climate controls until I get the braket for under the drivers seat, so it's not a quick job getting it out t the moment!
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Just remembered, I have the VCDS log, so the part number is shown below.
Address 77: Telephone Labels: 3C0-035-730.lbl
Part No SW: 5N0 035 730 A HW: 5N0 035 730 A
Component: J412 4100
Revision: 00015000 Serial number: 0000B7A029859
Coding: 0020141
Shop #: WSC 07975 795 00500
No fault code found.
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I don't have access to my Label files at the moment and I can't see the Adapation on the RT website. I did notice your coding seems to be wrong, RT have it as -
VW Golf/Jetta (1K) / VW Passat (3C) / VW Tiguan (5N):
0020035 = Radio
0020055 = Radio/Navigation System
VW Touareg (7L):
0020021 = Radio
0020041 = Radio/Navigation System
So at the moment you're coded for a Touareg.
Some of the adaptations can be found here -
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/VW_Passat_%283C%29_Telephone_%28Premium%29
But it might be worth having a scroll through the list when plugged into the car.
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I think the issue is the wiring of the unit. I got a 'plug and play' wiring harness with the unit but I can't see anythint that resembles a 12v supply going in to it :confused:
Does anyone know the pin assignments for the bluetooth unit itself (not the hed unit)?
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If you can 'see' the BT unit with VCDS (Which you can because you've coded it) then there is power to it.
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thanks, I'll pull it out again today and check. The unit is temporarily mounted beind the climate controls until I get the braket for under the drivers seat, so it's not a quick job getting it out t the moment!
no need for the bracket, just velcro it to the mats mate :wink:
there's no 12v exit on a custom wiring. i got a 729B skoda module fitted last week, no problems at all, 3 plugs, mic+bt box+behind radio :happy2:
Is Darrens BT also premium?? they should be very selective regarding phones and BT versions :stupid:
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Yeah, realised that :grin:
I have checked all the pin outs on the head unit and the bluetooth module and they are all correct, the wiring loom is fine.
We put my unit in Darren's car and paired my phone to it no problem using the highline display.
Now that my phone is paired to the device, we thought that we could just put the unit back in my car and start her up, but no :sad1:
I can only assume that the premium bluetooth is no use without highline display. I'm about 2 steps from ripping out the lot and setting fire to the car. Nothing ever works as it should on this car so I've about had it
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Yeah, realised that :grin:
I have checked all the pin outs on the head unit and the bluetooth module and they are all correct, the wiring loom is fine.
We put my unit in Darren's car and paired my phone to it no problem using the highline display.
Now that my phone is paired to the device, we thought that we could just put the unit back in my car and start her up, but no :sad1:
I can only assume that the premium bluetooth is no use without highline display. I'm about 2 steps from ripping out the lot and setting fire to the car. Nothing ever works as it should on this car so I've about had it
get the 729B skoda box, should work without highline
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Yeah, realised that :grin:
I have checked all the pin outs on the head unit and the bluetooth module and they are all correct, the wiring loom is fine.
We put my unit in Darren's car and paired my phone to it no problem using the highline display.
Now that my phone is paired to the device, we thought that we could just put the unit back in my car and start her up, but no :sad1:
I can only assume that the premium bluetooth is no use without highline display. I'm about 2 steps from ripping out the lot and setting fire to the car. Nothing ever works as it should on this car so I've about had it
get the 729B skoda box, should work without highline
Garth, Give SteveP a PM. He fitted a skoda unit to mine with no problems, I think it was a 729 box, but he may be able to offer some advice..................
I don't have Highline either, but seems to pair very well.
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garth ill ask my mate see if he has a skoda unit that we can try and if that works it'll save you ripping all the wiring out speak to you tomorrow
Cheers
Darren
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Either the 729B or 729C will be ideal.
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Thanks guys :drinking:
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i bought the kufatec 729b bt kit here for 280euros flobo51@freenet.de :happy2:
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Is the 729 a direct swap for the 730? I have the 730 and whilst it's a great unit it doesn't seem to support PAN which means I can't get a data connection when my phone is connected to the kit. This is a bit of a pain. So a swap to a 729 might be in order, but I really don't want to have to redo the wiring (I managed to get everything done without removing the drivers seat but it was a bit of a pain).
Cheers, Mark.
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^^^ I think my factory fit rsap premium kit is a 730 and I will be swapping it to a 729C later today so I will hopefully be able to confirm the wiring is all the same :party: :party: :party:
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^^^ I think my factory fit rsap premium kit is a 730 and I will be swapping it to a 729C later today so I will hopefully be able to confirm the wiring is all the same :party: :party: :party:
What is the difference between the 2 kits? I though thw 729's were older and the 730's were the 'updated' model. Am I wrong?
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^^^ I think my factory fit rsap premium kit is a 730 and I will be swapping it to a 729C later today so I will hopefully be able to confirm the wiring is all the same :party: :party: :party:
What is the difference between the 2 kits? I though thw 729's were older and the 730's were the 'updated' model. Am I wrong?
compatibility with different BT versions and different mobilephone brands is the difference, i bought the 729b (skoda) based on the info that it works with the most brands and BT software versions. Eventhough it hurts me every time i see skoda on my phone :booty:
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I changed the name of the device on my mobile, so every time it connects it now says "Connected to VW Edition 30" rather than "Connected to Skoda UHV". :happy2:
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Yep, to use a 730 your phone needs to support a Bluetooth profile called Remote SIM Access Profile, or RSAP. Not all phones have this (although it's a good idea imo). If yor phone has RSAP then the 730 has some advantages.
The 729 supports the standard Bluetooth Hands Free Profile, which so common that even Apple could be bothered to implement it!
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^^^ Yep the exact reason I just did this: -
Swapped this: -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FDSCF2109.jpg&hash=31924caf39078f0dc1d1321cfb4ae424b9f42d76)
For this: -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FDSCF2107.jpg&hash=5b66d96dbaa3ed08f311e78fea6dcaff00e4f299)
And now have a kit that works with my iPhone :party: :party: :party:
If anyone with a Nokia or other phone with rSap support is interested in a complete 730B car kit (with loom and Microphone) then drop me a PM :happy2:
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So was it a straight swap Steve, or did you have to redo the cabling as well?
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Straight swap, the extra buttons by the interior lights no longer work but that's not big deal :happy2:
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Handy to know, cheers :happy2:
Now if only I could find out the differences between a 730 A and a 730 B ...
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I read that the part numbers just mean a different supplier - could be wrong though
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Could well be nothing more than that, the A version is badged Nokia whereas the B is badged Novero. But the SW version on the B unit is much later than the A unit, and if they have added support for the profile I'm looking for then I wouldn't have to consider swapping the 730 for a 729.
The other concern would be that the B version only works with the white MFD, not the red one.
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^^^ 730B works with both White and red dot displays :happy2:
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:happy2:
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If you have a white display then get a 729C and you can make it say VW instead of Skoda when you pair it :wink:
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My new 729E also says Volkswagen by default when pairing :happy2:
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Since I only have midline and I'm not bothered about seeing on the MFD anyway (I have an RCD510 so should get everything on the screen), I am going to try out a Skoda unit today.
I just need to re-iterate how helpful Darren (mortygttdi) is. He's been round 3 times, each for over an hour trying to get this all sorted for me. I'm glad he's not charging VW labour rates :grin:
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Cheers Garth :happy2: Ive just dropped a 729E off that should be good for the RCD510
Darren
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Woohoo, I now have a phone kit that pairs!
Only problem now is that I can't control it :sad1:
Steering wheel buttons do nothing and pressing 'phone' on the head unit just mutes the stereo.... More coding needed me thinks. I'm going to have to get you a crate of beer or something Darren, any preferences?? :grin:
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Post up your current coding, I may have an idea.
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Just been done now. It's the 729E version and it is coded up and works correctly with the head unit now.
The only thing we could not get working was the steering wheel buttons. I assume it's because it's he VW wheel and Skoda bluetooth and they are not completely compatible. I can live with this, but if you've got any idea if there's any way of getting the steering wheel buttons working, that would be great! It's the standard mk5 multi function wheel with star (mute) and phone button.
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Just been done now. It's the 729E version and it is coded up and works correctly with the head unit now.
The only thing we could not get working was the steering wheel buttons. I assume it's because it's he VW wheel and Skoda bluetooth and they are not completely compatible. I can live with this, but if you've got any idea if there's any way of getting the steering wheel buttons working, that would be great! It's the standard mk5 multi function wheel with star (mute) and phone button.
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i assume Darren has checked it's the right steering coloumn controller?? :smiley:
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Just been done now. It's the 729E version and it is coded up and works correctly with the head unit now.
The only thing we could not get working was the steering wheel buttons. I assume it's because it's he VW wheel and Skoda bluetooth and they are not completely compatible. I can live with this, but if you've got any idea if there's any way of getting the steering wheel buttons working, that would be great! It's the standard mk5 multi function wheel with star (mute) and phone button.
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The buttons do work for every thing else, just the star button on scotts(Golfmans) activates the voice dialing and Ive coded the steering wheel up for V/D but just doesn't do any thing :confused:
When the VW kit was in the steering wheel would activate the voice dialing has it comes back and says no phone attached or something, but on the skoda kit it just doesn't do any thing...?
The coding ive put in the skoda module is 0010422 if any one has some suggestions?
Darren
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Yes Darren there is a different coding, it's on my Laptop at home so I'll need to see if the Mrs can send it to me.
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My gosh, you're all helpful people :grin:
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The buttons do work for every thing else, just the star button on scotts(Golfmans) activates the voice dialing and Ive coded the steering wheel up for V/D but just doesn't do any thing :confused:
When the VW kit was in the steering wheel would activate the voice dialing has it comes back and says no phone attached or something, but on the skoda kit it just doesn't do any thing...?
The coding ive put in the skoda module is 0010422 if any one has some suggestions?
Darren
I have Skoda BT fitted with MFSW, and VD. The coding on mine is 0000422
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Tried 0000422 but it turned the telephone off on the radio, it just muted when the phone button was pressed?
Darren
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I would suggest -
0013000 if you have Voice control or 0013020 if you dont.
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Cheers Stu will have a go at that when i can get chance to get around to Garths. unfortunately its snowing like it was the artic :confused:.
Darren
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After changing the coding you will be best to delete the current pairing and re-pairing the unit to the phone.
Let me know how it goes.
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will do :happy2:
Darren
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Straight swap, the extra buttons by the interior lights no longer work but that's not big deal :happy2:
Hi Steve!
I've been trawling the Internet for hours trying to find someone that might have swapped out an rSAP for an HFP bluetooth module in a Mk6 and I'm glad to have finally found someone that has done so, successfully!
I don't know what the spec of your Mk6 is, but apart from the buttons at the interior lights not working, can you confirm if you have an RCD/RNS-510 working with it, and of course the MFSW buttons? Did you have to code the module before use, and if so what code did you end up using? From what I can make out, it's something like 0010422, but I'm seeing so many number banded about I'm confused as to what my Aug/Sept 2009 Mk6 build would need?
My dealer isn't being very helpful about the possibility of swapping the modules out, or indeed getting a 729 E. Do you have advice on where best to get one of these modules in the UK, preferably pre-coded as I don't fancy the cost of a VAG-COM cable at the moment?
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Yes I have the 729E fully working with the cluster display, multi-function steering wheel and touch interface on the RNS-510. I am at work at present so can't confirm what coding. My car is an Aug 2009 Mk6 GTI.
I may be able to get hold of a 729E module if your interested?
Where abouts are you based as I can help code it if required?
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I've just checked, and my build was the last week in August 2009, so I'm guessing everything, even software levels, will be the same between our cars so seems a safe bet that it would work (subject to coding of course)!
I was considering the Fiscon kit, but been put off by the separate microphone (and therefore loss of the excellent quality I seem to get from the VW OEM mic), coding (again), and the general disruption of fitting it when a VW OEM would do fine and, as you've proven, is just a case of swapping the boxes which means I could swap back to the rSAP kit if required within minutes.
As I seem to have been completely brain-washed by Apple, I think I'll need to get rid of my ideas of returning to an rSAP compatible handset and just make the change to the kit.
So yes, I'd be interested if you could get hold of a 729E for me.
I'm based in Bristol although sometimes in Scotland... which no doubt means you're based in the far South East corner of the UK I'm guessing! LOL
Does it actually require specifically coding within my car (other than to get it done and make sure it works okay in a oner)? Because I have the rSAP kit already I was guessing the rest of the components (gateway/MFSW controller) were already set correctly and it'd just be a case of setting a code which was set in the module itself rather than held in the car's systems?
(P.S. I can't PM you as I'm a new member. I assume as you're an admin you can grab my email address from my profile to continue this off-line if you wanted?)
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I have been using a car with the premuim kit this so upgraded my work blackberry to the an rSap compatable one and while it's a slightly better kit on in car features etc, but has serious limitations with stuff like the phone being basically disabled (so no email or texts) while connected to the car. I am very glad I swapped it over to the 729E kit.
I will drop you an email later tonight once I am home :smiley:
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I was thinking of removing the 730B in the meantime anyway as it's just wasting power, but I can't get the aerial cable to disconnect from the module?
Is there a trick to it? I've looked for a latch, but can't see what is locking it in or how to release it? Can you remember how you removed yours?
Also, will my removing it trigger or log any faults in the management unit when the CAN gateway doesn't get any response from the telephone module? I'm assuming the RCD-510 will turn the phone button back to a mute button or something?
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I would leave it in for now as it will trigger a fault on the CAN Gateway (not visible anywhere other than via a diagnostics cable).
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Ah... might be too late on that score then as I think I may have unplugged it a few months ago to get the part number off the module. :smiley:
Can't remember if that was before or after my dealer updated the power supply software to fix a false triggering alarm problem. If they saw the fault code though they certainly didn't tell me anything about it.
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Steve you ever heard of any one swapping out a 729B for an 729E I had someone round to check the BT on there car cos it would not connect but on the box its saying 1Z0 035 729B and on the VCDS screen module 77 its reading 729E???? :surprised:
Told him to contact the seller and get some answers, sounds like they have changed the inside to make abit of profit. What with the B been much more sought after and more expensive.
Darren
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Steve you ever heard of any one swapping out a 729B for an 729E I had someone round to check the BT on there car cos it would not connect but on the box its saying 1Z0 035 729B and on the VCDS screen module 77 its reading 729E???? :surprised:
Told him to contact the seller and get some answers, sounds like they have changed the inside to make abit of profit. What with the B been much more sought after and more expensive.
Darren
From what I know of this Darren the person concerned bought the interface over a year ago as a 729B however as you say it appears to have a 729E inside it. So far as I know the 729E wouldn't have been available over a year ago. So I think it may point towards the installer myself.
Are you 100% sure it is reported as being a 729E? It really doesn't add up does it??
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Hi Stu I had to look a few times but VCDS reported a E version and the sticker on the module says B version :confused:
What I can't understand Stu is although it is an E version why its still not connecting to the phone? I thought it would still see and connect to the phone but just wouldn't show in the red highline.
Darren
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Exactly mate, a 729E if installed correctly, should work with a MK5 except for the Highline as you say.
I can't see how it can be anything other than the installer. I don't know who it was, I think it was a company. If the person concerned has had the unit for a year then I just can't see how it can be a 729E.
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Did you do an Autoscan of the car?? Can you post it up?
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No scan I'm afraid Stu I do usually do a full scan on every car but my netbook's battery is on its last legs and won't keep a charge so could only take a quick look at the coding,
The coding was set at 00000422, the thing I did find weird was that I couldn't get into any adaptations to see the passcode or anything it was grey'd out?
Also the coding itself could not be changed it just kept given me an error. Sounds like a faulty module?
Darren
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422 wouldn't have been the correct coding for that module.
Any errors on CAN to perhaps indicate a broken wire/connection?
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Every thing was fine no fault codes at all :sad1:
Darren