MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: gobbleplease on February 17, 2010, 05:51:53 pm
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just wondering where you guys are getting the masks from and what sort of price they are, i didnt want to pay OSIR prices as i seen somewhere that the fit wasnt as expected for the money, however if anyone knows anywhere the OSIR front mask can be bought for a good price it might be an option
Cheers
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Really wouldn't bother with the OSIR carbon masks following my own personal experience of the fit of them. :fighting: :fighting:
The ebay copies seam to fit better and look 99% as good for far less money.
All IMHO :happy2:
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Ive not seen any cheapos on ebay, i was surprised as its usually what ebay is all about.
The cheap ones are just glued on or double sided sticky taped, so i thought that they would leave a slight gap. Unless you know of one thats a good fit
ta :happy2:
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Osirs ones are also stick on.
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IIRC correctly, I think more than one person has had the OSIR fit problem but there are more of us who haven't and I think the problem was put right. My OSIR front mask is fine.
TTshop in Bedford who are the OSIR European distributors will do their utmost to sort any probs IF they occur. However, OSIR carbon is not cheap and this can make some people extra particular. I've only ever had one problem with anything from OSIR (very uneven weave) and it was replaced without becoming an issue, so I'm a happy bunny.
I think some people on here have gone the eBay route and hopefully will post info.
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^^^ if I was playing predicable post bingo i would be shouting house right about now :congrats: :congrats:
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awe right cheers guys i didnt actually realise that OSIR was also stick on, especially at that price.
I take it there are no hardships fitting these ? what is the preffered method double sided sticky tape, silicon sealer ect .
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To give this thread a bit of balance, i have seen about 6 of these masks, at least 3 of them have split due to a tight fit and expansion.
And i particularly remember being at a meet last year, and 2 people who have the naff Osir mask where looking at my sticky tape vinyl mask with big green eyes. Now surely that tells you something when they were wishing they had gone for the sticky tape option. :grin:
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To give this thread a bit of balance, i have seen about 6 of these masks, at least 3 of them have split due to a tight fit and expansion.
....Be fair, TC - I'm certainly not claiming that OSIR haven't cocked up some of these. 3 out 6 = 50%. Agreed that is far too high a rate of fail but there is a world outside of this forum.
In the interests of balance, if I hadn't posted that mine was okay, readers could easily be left thinking that all the OSIR carbon masks were very much sub-standard. SteveP didn't say that none of them were good and, quite rightly, informed readers of his individual experience. I'm informing about mine. Simples.
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But they cost a fortune respectively, and its the simplest part in the world to make. I think Neil M could match the quality in his garage and knock them out for 30 squid.
Most of the fitting problems i have come across have been with the R32 diffuser, and i can fully understand why they would have problems with this part, as it is a complex shape and design to say the least, but the mask should be fit and play in my opinion with that design.
Also Robin i am a big fan of Osir i have some of there products and they are great, but the mask is not up to scratch. :smiley:
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I agree with you, TC - The mask has probably been OSIR's worst product for fit quality. Perhaps I just got lucky.
My R32 zorst trim is excellent quality but the fixing tabs are very weak and don't stay in place. I'm sure I posted the fix of simply drilling a couple of holes to receive a cable-tie. If you need to remove and later reinstall you simply cut the ties and use some new ones.
Possibly my expectations of standards of fit are less demanding than most. My car sometimes goes on display but isn't a show car and it's only a Golf and not a car costing six figures.
The high retail cost of carbon is invariably high and some will say unjustified. It's production is highly skilled and labour intensive though. Furthermore, I don't expect unit sales quantities are especially high and all that has to be factored in for OSIR to stay in business.
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Robin, Justin is in agreement that the fit and finish of not only the two Steve and I were originally supplied but the replacements from OSIR were substandard and as such was happy to refund us.
I cannot fault Justins part in this but after my experience I would be very dubious about paying top money for OSIR CF products.
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Damn, I had intended getting osir front masks but it's a lot of money for a 50% chance of it fitting correctly!!
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i think steve is being kind having seen the damage it casued to the paintwork on the ED30
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I just had one covered with vinyl and looks great yet to fit it, only cost £30.
How have most people fitted there number plates so they can take them off with out leaving any signs.
I love the genuine carbon but too costly??
Anyone got a OSIR rear spoiler??
Sie
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Damn, I had intended getting osir front masks but it's a lot of money for a 50% chance of it fitting correctly!!
....I'm not saying you should do this, but why not have a chat with Justin at the TTshop and see if he'll get one for you but strictly on the understanding that you won't buy it if the standard or fit isn't right. Unless, of course, you find another cheaper source you feel you can trust.
Carbon vinyl is another very much cheaper and very effective alternative but won't look right if you mix it alongside real carbon imo.
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Just had mine done in the 3M carbon vinyl . Mask , both badges, front lip and rear valance = £160.
Chris.
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Someone mention carbon fibre :evilgrin:
The front mask is the one part I've held back from due to it's inherent random fit issues. Not only have OSIR had issues, but so have the cheap ones. It is very hit and miss and personally I would go with a full replacement mask like NeilM has if I were to go for one.
Anyone got a OSIR rear spoiler??
Yes, I have. I fitted it myself and it was a very good fit.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fhurdy_album%2FCleaned_ED30%2FCleanedED30pics24032009014.jpg&hash=e9d552a21b0345e090faa290d76732a53213b016)
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Just had mine done in the 3M carbon vinyl . Mask , both badges, front lip and rear valance = £160.
Chris.
....That's exactly the best way to do it if you use vinyl, imo.
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The front mask is the one part I've held back from due to it's inherent random fit issues. Not only have OSIR had issues, but so have the cheap ones. It is very hit and miss and personally I would go with a full replacement mask like NeilM has if I were to go for one.
....That's something I didn't know. So the cheap ones have had problems too. It's not just down to OSIR then, it would seem.
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flamesuit at the ready :evilgrin:
but if osir get their stuff made in china the knockoffs are exactly the same and will have same fitment inconsistencies.because they come from the same factory!!! fact!!
i imported bonsai pots from china for a while and the quality was excellent/good on first batch then a few odd dodgy ones in 2nd and then the 3rd was 50/50 great and not not good. they farm it out to not so good factories(they are graded according to the quality of the market they aim to sell to!) and mix it all up to save money their end.and its too expensive to send back etc so they just send you a few better ones as compensation.
this is also cos the agent(who tells u he has secured you the "rights" to be the only distributor in the uk isnt strictly telling u the truth).this is because there are many "agents" that sell from the same factories.
mine was a cheap ebay copy andthe fitment wasnt great-in hindsight i would get a plastic one wrapped and at same time as badges to get the consistency of finish like our resident smartars........TC :congrats:
just my tuppence
matsu
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Just had mine done in the 3M carbon vinyl . Mask , both badges, front lip and rear valance = £160.
Chris.
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No need for a flamesuit, matsu - That's good information.
It shouldn't matter where something is manufactured as long as strict quality controls are applied. At least, that's the theory.
Example: Every day, bread is made in the slums of Mumbai (India) where there is no drainage system and people literally crap in the street etc. It's not labelled and sent into the smart bread shops of the city where it's labelled and highly rated by those who eat it, not knowing its source.
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flamesuit at the ready :evilgrin:
but if osir get their stuff made in china the knockoffs are exactly the same and will have same fitment inconsistencies.because they come from the same factory!!! fact!!
i imported bonsai pots from china for a while and the quality was excellent/good on first batch then a few odd dodgy ones in 2nd and then the 3rd was 50/50 great and not not good. they farm it out to not so good factories(they are graded according to the quality of the market they aim to sell to!) and mix it all up to save money their end.and its too expensive to send back etc so they just send you a few better ones as compensation.
this is also cos the agent(who tells u he has secured you the "rights" to be the only distributor in the uk isnt strictly telling u the truth).this is because there are many "agents" that sell from the same factories.
mine was a cheap ebay copy andthe fitment wasnt great-in hindsight i would get a plastic one wrapped and at same time as badges to get the consistency of finish like our resident smartars........TC :congrats:
just my tuppence
matsu
Yip i think im going to get it wrapped with the 3m Di-Nok (or whatever its called)
I dont fancy playing the CF lottery.
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Just had mine done in the 3M carbon vinyl . Mask , both badges, front lip and rear valance = £160.
Chris.
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Ok , be gentle. This is my first shot at posting pics.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab267%2Fbowie99%2Frearvalcarb.jpg&hash=e8f67520f168c68b196f4255957ca6d47d0bd80e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab267%2Fbowie99%2Frearbadgecarbon.jpg&hash=5574a9473ce5a46aa6891a585b2918b75b1722e7)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab267%2Fbowie99%2Ffrontcarbon.jpg&hash=9aef4644706c2fb3ee90de2c3d60e7f09cb4b580)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab267%2Fbowie99%2Ffrontcarbon2.jpg&hash=26f7e6227152561a4ded7c9333749eac562f944e)
Chris.
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Looks wicked! :congrats:
Where did you get it done?
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Mmmmmmmmmmmm Nice, Ive been looking at how too videos all night and that 3M di noc looks a piece of piss to work with, so im going to give it a bash myself, how hard can it be :signLOL:
Im going to measure up on saturday and see if i can get some for cheap from ebay as its pretty expensive.
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Got it done by http://www.carboncars.co.uk/ (http://www.carboncars.co.uk/) . They have a place in S.Wales and Slough. They also sell the stuff on ebay and Carbon Forza.
To be honest, it did look fairly straight forward to do the mask once it was stripped. Heat to soften the vinyl but not too much when folding around tight edges. Too much heat and it loses its texture and just looks matt black and gets brittle , starting to melt at the edges.
The rear valance was very difficult to do in one piece.
On a side note, a lot of his business is carbon fibre products. He was showing me the moulds he'd just finished for s3/tt 1.8t & 350Z engine covers.
Chris.
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what did it cost you ? might get mine done in slough
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what did it cost you ? might get mine done in slough
They did it for £160. A good price but not sure if he'd charge a little more as the rear valance was more time consuming than he thought.
Chris.
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Got it done by http://www.carboncars.co.uk/ (http://www.carboncars.co.uk/) . They have a place in S.Wales and Slough. They also sell the stuff on ebay and Carbon Forza.
To be honest, it did look fairly straight forward to do the mask once it was stripped. Heat to soften the vinyl but not too much when folding around tight edges. Too much heat and it loses its texture and just looks matt black and gets brittle , starting to melt at the edges.
The rear valance was very difficult to do in one piece.
On a side note, a lot of his business is carbon fibre products. He was showing me the moulds he'd just finished for s3/tt 1.8t & 350Z engine covers.
Chris.
Could you possibly take some more detailed pics of your front splitter head and from below please. I have some 3m carbon vinyl for the front lip but not sure where to finish it off, it would give me something t work too...
Thanks dude..
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I had exactly the same dilemma . Nobodys pics were taken from low and head on. I will take some tomorrow for you. We cut it at the bottom of the radius inside the lip so that it would follow the line out on either side. We only went underneath about 2" but it would look better taken right back toward the end of the bumper . Hope that makes sense. Pics tomorrow.
Chris.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab267%2Fbowie99%2FPhoto1654-1.jpg&hash=a06ad0388242e4030ad44422b25caee90e4be7e2)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fab267%2Fbowie99%2FPhoto1650.jpg&hash=302b863bca9cead5c507e636ffa5a546a20d50df)
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Cheers dude.l thats helps alot :happy2: